Anybody Else Thinking About Just Skipping Leopard?

In article <0005b10e$0$7734$>,
Joseph Mostarda <> wrote:

> I find that Leopard was much better than Tiger, but then again, I
> didn't care much for Tiger,

It is so intriguing to me to hear such a thing! Its like I drive around
the whole world over twenty years in a car that never breaks down, has
served me well in every way and some one casually remarks that he had
this model and it was just so so... I would guess he has experienced
something else that has coloured his view *in hindsight*.

--
dorayme

In article <1j24ktj.1r9fs1dzp3gzuN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult .com>,
(Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> I can't think of any example where any company has released software
> that runs on hardware that's already been excluded from the previous
> version. I think it's safe to say that this will not be an exception.

But this is a special upgrade targeted to multicore users, which were
relatively rare among PowerPC machines. Not a lot of user stuff, but a
lot of developer stuff and it's not a new cat just a variant of same.

I moved to 10.5 on my PPC iBook and I'm less than thrilled.

It ends up building larger and larger swap space, and getting less and
less responsive. I find myself rebooting every few days to speed things
up. I didn't have that impression with 10.4...

If only I had 4X the RAM and/or a 10,000 RPM laptop disk....

I don't suppose there's a way to flush the swap space short
of rebooting?




--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

In article <h41tlm$19d$>,
David Lesher <> wrote:

> I moved to 10.5 on my PPC iBook and I'm less than thrilled.
>
> It ends up building larger and larger swap space, and getting less and
> less responsive. I find myself rebooting every few days to speed things
> up. I didn't have that impression with 10.4...
>
> If only I had 4X the RAM and/or a 10,000 RPM laptop disk....
>
> I don't suppose there's a way to flush the swap space short
> of rebooting?

I have this problem with 10.4.11 and 1.5GB of RAM (max for my system),
so what have you gained really?

And as to "how do you clear it short of a reboot?" Simple. You don't.
Really. Once the swap files are created, you can only remove them when
you reboot. So, when my system gets to 2GB of swap files, I reboot.
Usually it's from editing a large audio file with Amadeus Pro (Amadeus
II was worse) or a large file with Photoshop.

It seems to be the nature of how VM is written on MacOS X or there's a
key component that slowly leaks like Safari.

--
DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically by ignored]

In article <vilain->,
Michael Vilain <> wrote:

> > I don't suppose there's a way to flush the swap space short
> > of rebooting?
>
> I have this problem with 10.4.11 and 1.5GB of RAM (max for my system),
> so what have you gained really?
>
> And as to "how do you clear it short of a reboot?" Simple. You don't.
> Really. Once the swap files are created, you can only remove them when
> you reboot. So, when my system gets to 2GB of swap files, I reboot.
> Usually it's from editing a large audio file with Amadeus Pro (Amadeus
> II was worse) or a large file with Photoshop.

For us non-computer types, could you clarify the relationship (if any)
between "swap files" and the four kinds of "Memory" shown in the pie
chart in the System Memory button of Activity Monitor?

Outside of this indicator, how do I monitor or check the amount of swap
files I've accumulated?

Thanks . . .

In article <siegman->,
AES <> wrote:

> In article <vilain->,
> Michael Vilain <> wrote:
>
> > > I don't suppose there's a way to flush the swap space short
> > > of rebooting?
> >
> > I have this problem with 10.4.11 and 1.5GB of RAM (max for my system),
> > so what have you gained really?
> >
> > And as to "how do you clear it short of a reboot?" Simple. You don't.
> > Really. Once the swap files are created, you can only remove them when
> > you reboot. So, when my system gets to 2GB of swap files, I reboot.
> > Usually it's from editing a large audio file with Amadeus Pro (Amadeus
> > II was worse) or a large file with Photoshop.
>
> For us non-computer types, could you clarify the relationship (if any)
> between "swap files" and the four kinds of "Memory" shown in the pie
> chart in the System Memory button of Activity Monitor?

There isn't one. the four modes pertain to the current use of RAM only
and the meaning is mostly self explanatory, with the possible exception
of "wired" which is RAM that may not be swapped out.
>
> Outside of this indicator, how do I monitor or check the amount of swap
> files I've accumulated?

I like the little utility "iPulse" which I've configured to be
click-through circular window that illustrates graphically:
CPU ‹ (both cores)
Network ‹ read and write
Disk I/O ‹ read and write
Top 10 memory hogs ‹ real and virtual
Memory ‹ in use and free
Page faults, page-ins and page outs
Number and size of swapfile(s)

--
Tom Stiller

PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF

In article <tom_stiller->,
Tom Stiller <> wrote:

> In article <siegman->,
> AES <> wrote:
>
> > In article <vilain->,
> > Michael Vilain <> wrote:
> >
> > > > I don't suppose there's a way to flush the swap space short
> > > > of rebooting?
> > >
> > > I have this problem with 10.4.11 and 1.5GB of RAM (max for my system),
> > > so what have you gained really?
> > >
> > > And as to "how do you clear it short of a reboot?" Simple. You don't.
> > > Really. Once the swap files are created, you can only remove them when
> > > you reboot. So, when my system gets to 2GB of swap files, I reboot.
> > > Usually it's from editing a large audio file with Amadeus Pro (Amadeus
> > > II was worse) or a large file with Photoshop.
> >
> > For us non-computer types, could you clarify the relationship (if any)
> > between "swap files" and the four kinds of "Memory" shown in the pie
> > chart in the System Memory button of Activity Monitor?
>
> There isn't one. the four modes pertain to the current use of RAM only
> and the meaning is mostly self explanatory, with the possible exception
> of "wired" which is RAM that may not be swapped out.
> >
> > Outside of this indicator, how do I monitor or check the amount of swap
> > files I've accumulated?
>
> I like the little utility "iPulse" which I've configured to be
> click-through circular window that illustrates graphically:
> CPU ‹ (both cores)
> Network ‹ read and write
> Disk I/O ‹ read and write
> Top 10 memory hogs ‹ real and virtual
> Memory ‹ in use and free
> Page faults, page-ins and page outs
> Number and size of swapfile(s)

For the non-computer type, your only hope is to start reading up on how
computers do what they do. You've essentially asked why your car needs
oil, gas, and water without knowing the basics of the internal
combustion engine.

--
DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically by ignored]