Asus P4S333 motherboard and secondary IDE ports not working

I have a P4S333 Motherboard that was given to me and I am having troubles with
the secondary IDE ports. The primary works great, i have both turned on in the
bios, which is the latest beta bios date 2003. Its just that it actslike its
non functional whenever any type of IDE device be it hard drive or CD riom or
DVD Rom , zip drive, ape back, anything ide does not get recognisd. Is there
some surface mount fuse or something in that are just for the secondary ide
channel?

GMAN wrote:
> I have a P4S333 Motherboard that was given to me and I am having troubles with
> the secondary IDE ports. The primary works great, i have both turned on in the
> bios, which is the latest beta bios date 2003. Its just that it actslike its
> non functional whenever any type of IDE device be it hard drive or CD riom or
> DVD Rom , zip drive, ape back, anything ide does not get recognisd. Is there
> some surface mount fuse or something in that are just for the secondary ide
> channel?
>
>

have you checked the BIOS, to see if they've been disabled in a BIOS setting ?

In terms of schematics, so you can see what they do for IDE, I have
a couple links.

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...x/BXDPDG10.PDF (440BX, PDF page 25)

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...ics/252812.htm (875P, PDF page 39)

Those are two different generations of chipsets. The second chipset,
integrates the series damping resistors into the Southbridge, which
is why fewer series resistors are shown.

And there is no power shown on the connector pinout here. So
no reason for a fuse leading to this connector. And powering
to the Southbridge, would likely affect both IDE ports
equally (like if the power source to the Southbridge was
bad). This list is probably enough, to get some understanding
of the interface (schematics are only for if you're more curious).

http://www.bbdsoft.com/ide.html

Have you checked the IDE connector pins on the motherboard,
for bent or broken ones ? Compare the working connector
to the non-functional connector. On ribbon cable connectors,
sometimes a pin misses the hole, and gets bent 90 degrees.
And will snap when straightened :-(

On a typical motherboard, fuses are on -

1) Combined PS/2 keyboard and mouse. One fuse feeds the stack.
2) Pairs of USB headers get a fuse.
3) Firewire port +12V output
4) Fan headers are unprotected, and the 12V track is thin enough
to conveniently burn out.

Switching regulators (Vcore) may have current limiting, while linear
regulators (the ones Asus builds with opamps), likely melt
when provoked :-)

Paul

In article <> , "reqluq" <> wrote:
>Um...give it back? That's probably why it was given to you in the first
>place?
>:-)

Nah, i never give up a challenge to make things work. As it turns out the
person who gave it to me had it built by some local place and they never
connected the ide LED's, also they never connected the Power LED and they did
something in the way they mounted the board which caused a small short that
made the secondary IDE ports not work. I removed the motherboard and all items
from the case and setup just a power supply, an old FX5700LE AGP video card,
and a 512mb stick of ram and a mouse and keyboard on a desk spread out with
the mb on a non conductive wooden platform i keep around just for this reason.
It works great so i will just need to replace the motherboard back into the
antec tower case but will use the little spacers that came with another mb i
have and that should avaoid the short . Its also possible they just had it
screwed down too tight. It was nearly impossible to remove 2 of the screws and
they were in the vicinty of the IDE ports and southbridge chips.


Now i need to figure what is up with the USB ports. But what i can tell is
they seem to come back to life , at least my thumbdrive lit up once the board
was setup on the desk.


I know its an aging board with only 4X AGP but i might make a small HDTV DVR
out of it for a TV room i have.

Thansk for replying though! ;0p




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>"GMAN" <> wrote in message
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>>I have a P4S333 Motherboard that was given to me and I am having troubles
>>with
>> the secondary IDE ports. The primary works great, i have both turned on in
>> the
>> bios, which is the latest beta bios date 2003. Its just that it actslike
>> its
>> non functional whenever any type of IDE device be it hard drive or CD riom
>> or
>> DVD Rom , zip drive, ape back, anything ide does not get recognisd. Is
>> there
>> some surface mount fuse or something in that are just for the secondary
>> ide > channel?
>
>
>
>

In article <g1uvqm$6eu$>, Paul <> wrote:
>GMAN wrote:
>> I have a P4S333 Motherboard that was given to me and I am having troubles
> with
>> the secondary IDE ports. The primary works great, i have both turned on in
> the
>> bios, which is the latest beta bios date 2003. Its just that it actslike its
>
>> non functional whenever any type of IDE device be it hard drive or CD riom or
>
>> DVD Rom , zip drive, ape back, anything ide does not get recognisd. Is there
>
>> some surface mount fuse or something in that are just for the secondary ide
>> channel?
>>
>>
>
>have you checked the BIOS, to see if they've been disabled in a BIOS setting ?
>
Yes, thats what puzzled me, why only the secondary ide ports? I even flashed
thru a few different bios revisions with no luck.

>In terms of schematics, so you can see what they do for IDE, I have
>a couple links.
>
>http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...x/BXDPDG10.PDF (440BX, PDF page
> 25)
>
>http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...ics/252812.htm (875P, PDF page
> 39)
>
>Those are two different generations of chipsets. The second chipset,
>integrates the series damping resistors into the Southbridge, which
>is why fewer series resistors are shown.
>
>And there is no power shown on the connector pinout here. So
>no reason for a fuse leading to this connector. And powering
>to the Southbridge, would likely affect both IDE ports
>equally (like if the power source to the Southbridge was
>bad). This list is probably enough, to get some understanding
>of the interface (schematics are only for if you're more curious).
Thanks, i love researching this stuff. Turned out it was just the motherboard
was screwed down too tightly and there needed to be one of those little red
spacers beneath the MB.


>
>http://www.bbdsoft.com/ide.html
>
>Have you checked the IDE connector pins on the motherboard,
>for bent or broken ones ? Compare the working connector
>to the non-functional connector. On ribbon cable connectors,
>sometimes a pin misses the hole, and gets bent 90 degrees.
>And will snap when straightened :-(
>
See above


>On a typical motherboard, fuses are on -
>
>1) Combined PS/2 keyboard and mouse. One fuse feeds the stack.
>2) Pairs of USB headers get a fuse.
>3) Firewire port +12V output
>4) Fan headers are unprotected, and the 12V track is thin enough
> to conveniently burn out.

Seen that , done that, been there!!!!

>
>Switching regulators (Vcore) may have current limiting, while linear
>regulators (the ones Asus builds with opamps), likely melt
>when provoked :-)
>
> Paul

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GMAN wrote:

> Thanks, i love researching this stuff. Turned out it was just the motherboard
> was screwed down too tightly and there needed to be one of those little red
> spacers beneath the MB.

Thank God, an easy fix :-)

Paul

In article <g1vqfc$ul3$>, Paul <> wrote:
>GMAN wrote:
>
>> Thanks, i love researching this stuff. Turned out it was just the motherboard
>
>> was screwed down too tightly and there needed to be one of those little red
>> spacers beneath the MB.
>
>Thank God, an easy fix :-)
>
> Paul
I'm just kicking myself that I took both days of my weekend fudging around
with it when i should have followed every suggestion that i give out to others
who need help. Start with the raw basics outside the case and work from there.

Anyways, it gave me a chance off and on all weekend to have my A$$ handed t
o me by my 9 and 11 year olds playing Unreal 2004!!!!!

In article <g1vqfc$ul3$>, Paul <> wrote:
>GMAN wrote:
>
>> Thanks, i love researching this stuff. Turned out it was just the motherboard
>
>> was screwed down too tightly and there needed to be one of those little red
>> spacers beneath the MB.
>
>Thank God, an easy fix :-)
>
> Paul
Actually after dinking around some more tonight, i found this little tidbit on
Antecs website, it explained the secondary failure and USB failure to a T!!!
see here!!!


http://www.antec.com/us/support_rodu...ber=5&FAQno=14

It states


"Warning: If your motherboard contains a USB pin labeled OC or NC, make sure
that no wire goes to it. You can lift the black tab and pull the wire out or
simply clip the wire going to it. The pin for it is usually in pin 10. When a
wire is connected to OC or NC, all the USB ports can stop working, the system
can automatically shut down, or the secondary IDE is disabled."


Bada bing! bada Boom!