Big trouble now, pc won't boot....

Sorry for the x post but I am in deep sh*t....

I posted earlier today and asked under a topic of 'Slower
emory...better?' - if 256mb of pc66 memory would be better than 196 mb of
combined 64 pc100 and 128mb pc133 memory...

Well to cut a long story short I gave it a go and put in the 2 x 128mb pc66
chips and the pc would not boot (not even power up) so I thought this was
due to my pc requiring a minimum of pc100 memory. At worst I could go
frying the mem chips as I got them foc...

So I took them out and put in my original memory and the pc powers up but
nothing happens....it sort of powers up but no activity...

Here are the symptoms in no particular order....

The power supply seems to be working as the fan inside the power supply is
going.

The hard drive *starts* to spin up, I can hear it, but just does not get
there, the hard drive activity light comes on *steady* for about 1-2 mins
and then goes out and system stays on. Usually when system is booting the
hard drive light flickers as it reads data

The cd and dvd drive lights flash as if checking to see if anything in there
like they always do

There are 2 cpu fans inside the case and they get the power from the
motherboard and they work ok, disonnecting their leads from the motherboard
stops them so there must be power going to the motherboard

There is no power, or seems to be no power, going to keyboard via ps2 port,
pressing caps/num lock produce no flashing led

If I take power out of hard drive then it does not spin up so power must be
going to it in first place to cause it to spin up

If I take all memory out of system and switch on then it beeps and a green
light comes on motherboard beside the 2 memory slots so ther must be some
intelligence somewhere for it to know there is no memory

If I take the main lead from power supply to motherboard out then pc will
not power up at all so the must be some power going to motherboard for it to
even power up and sit there

At the back of the PC - a HP Pavilion 710 ,1.3 Celeron, 40gb hd and original
128mb ram- on the power supply is a green light and this on always on. I am
not sure if this is always on or is on due to the fault

Monitor flashes as if in standby mode waiting for video signal, as if I have
shut pc down at night and not switched monitor off

I have disconnected and reset all cables and pci cards but no joy incase it
was something loose

What do you think? Have I wrecked the PC. I am typing this from another.

Cheers,

td.

You need to look at the EXACT specs of the computer, but for certain a 1.3 GHz
Celeron requires PC100 memory at minimum. PC66 memory should NEVER have been
installed in this computer. Remove it immediately and hope that the computer
then works properly again. And make sure that the computer power cord is not
plugged into electrical current any time you work inside a computer chassis.
Failure to remove power from the system means that you are working on a live
motherboard with low voltage power flowing through at least some of its
circuits. Computer memory and processors are not made for insertion into a
motherboard with live electrical power going through it.

To find the EXACT specs for the computer, including memory specifications, go to
the web site, click on the support button, enter in the EXACT model of the
computer, and poke and prod around for product specifications. The web site
will tell you whether the computer needs PC133 or if PC100 will suffice. My
guess is that PC100 is OK for the Celeron chip, and PC133 is needed for a faster
Pentium III. The model number you indicated in your posting is insufficient.
HP Pavilion model numbers are usually 3 digits followed by one or two letters.
Use the complete model information... Ben Myers

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:10:08 GMT, "toedipper" <> wrote:

>Sorry for the x post but I am in deep sh*t....
>
>I posted earlier today and asked under a topic of 'Slower
>emory...better?' - if 256mb of pc66 memory would be better than 196 mb of
>combined 64 pc100 and 128mb pc133 memory...
>
>Well to cut a long story short I gave it a go and put in the 2 x 128mb pc66
>chips and the pc would not boot (not even power up) so I thought this was
>due to my pc requiring a minimum of pc100 memory. At worst I could go
>frying the mem chips as I got them foc...
>
>So I took them out and put in my original memory and the pc powers up but
>nothing happens....it sort of powers up but no activity...
>
>Here are the symptoms in no particular order....
>
>The power supply seems to be working as the fan inside the power supply is
>going.
>
>The hard drive *starts* to spin up, I can hear it, but just does not get
>there, the hard drive activity light comes on *steady* for about 1-2 mins
>and then goes out and system stays on. Usually when system is booting the
>hard drive light flickers as it reads data
>
>The cd and dvd drive lights flash as if checking to see if anything in there
>like they always do
>
>There are 2 cpu fans inside the case and they get the power from the
>motherboard and they work ok, disonnecting their leads from the motherboard
>stops them so there must be power going to the motherboard
>
>There is no power, or seems to be no power, going to keyboard via ps2 port,
>pressing caps/num lock produce no flashing led
>
>If I take power out of hard drive then it does not spin up so power must be
>going to it in first place to cause it to spin up
>
>If I take all memory out of system and switch on then it beeps and a green
>light comes on motherboard beside the 2 memory slots so ther must be some
>intelligence somewhere for it to know there is no memory
>
>If I take the main lead from power supply to motherboard out then pc will
>not power up at all so the must be some power going to motherboard for it to
>even power up and sit there
>
>At the back of the PC - a HP Pavilion 710 ,1.3 Celeron, 40gb hd and original
>128mb ram- on the power supply is a green light and this on always on. I am
>not sure if this is always on or is on due to the fault
>
>Monitor flashes as if in standby mode waiting for video signal, as if I have
>shut pc down at night and not switched monitor off
>
>I have disconnected and reset all cables and pci cards but no joy incase it
>was something loose
>
>What do you think? Have I wrecked the PC. I am typing this from another.
>
>Cheers,
>
>td.
>
>
>
>
>

"toedipper" <> wrote in message
news:kFsZc.1499$...
> Sorry for the x post but I am in deep sh*t....
>
> I posted earlier today and asked under a topic of 'Slower
> emory...better?' - if 256mb of pc66 memory would be better than 196 mb
of
> combined 64 pc100 and 128mb pc133 memory...
>
> Well to cut a long story short I gave it a go and put in the 2 x 128mb
pc66
> chips and the pc would not boot (not even power up) so I thought this was
> due to my pc requiring a minimum of pc100 memory. At worst I could go
> frying the mem chips as I got them foc...
>
> So I took them out and put in my original memory and the pc powers up but
> nothing happens....it sort of powers up but no activity...
>
> Here are the symptoms in no particular order....
>
> The power supply seems to be working as the fan inside the power supply is
> going.
>
> The hard drive *starts* to spin up, I can hear it, but just does not get
> there, the hard drive activity light comes on *steady* for about 1-2 mins
> and then goes out and system stays on. Usually when system is booting
the
> hard drive light flickers as it reads data
>
> The cd and dvd drive lights flash as if checking to see if anything in
there
> like they always do
>
> There are 2 cpu fans inside the case and they get the power from the
> motherboard and they work ok, disonnecting their leads from the
motherboard
> stops them so there must be power going to the motherboard
>
> There is no power, or seems to be no power, going to keyboard via ps2
port,
> pressing caps/num lock produce no flashing led
>
> If I take power out of hard drive then it does not spin up so power must
be
> going to it in first place to cause it to spin up
>
> If I take all memory out of system and switch on then it beeps and a green
> light comes on motherboard beside the 2 memory slots so ther must be some
> intelligence somewhere for it to know there is no memory
>
> If I take the main lead from power supply to motherboard out then pc will
> not power up at all so the must be some power going to motherboard for it
to
> even power up and sit there
>
> At the back of the PC - a HP Pavilion 710 ,1.3 Celeron, 40gb hd and
original
> 128mb ram- on the power supply is a green light and this on always on. I
am
> not sure if this is always on or is on due to the fault
>
> Monitor flashes as if in standby mode waiting for video signal, as if I
have
> shut pc down at night and not switched monitor off
>
> I have disconnected and reset all cables and pci cards but no joy incase
it
> was something loose
>
> What do you think? Have I wrecked the PC. I am typing this from another.
>
> Cheers,
>
> td.
>
Have you tried re-setting the BIOS? Either by the BIOS reset jumper if you
have one, or removing the Lithium battery from the board for a while?
The BIOS auto-detects hardware and may have tried to adapt to the new
memory.
On the hardware side, sure the chips are seated correctly now you've
replaced them?

Cheers Ben. HP Pavilion 710.uk with ASUS TUSL.L motherboard. I beleive
asus made this board for HP.


<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:...
> You need to look at the EXACT specs of the computer, but for certain a 1.3
> GHz
> Celeron requires PC100 memory at minimum. PC66 memory should NEVER have
> been
> installed in this computer. Remove it immediately and hope that the
> computer
> then works properly again. And make sure that the computer power cord is
> not
> plugged into electrical current any time you work inside a computer
> chassis.
> Failure to remove power from the system means that you are working on a
> live
> motherboard with low voltage power flowing through at least some of its
> circuits. Computer memory and processors are not made for insertion into
> a
> motherboard with live electrical power going through it.
>
> To find the EXACT specs for the computer, including memory specifications,
> go to
> the web site, click on the support button, enter in the EXACT model of the
> computer, and poke and prod around for product specifications. The web
> site
> will tell you whether the computer needs PC133 or if PC100 will suffice.
> My
> guess is that PC100 is OK for the Celeron chip, and PC133 is needed for a
> faster
> Pentium III. The model number you indicated in your posting is
> insufficient.
> HP Pavilion model numbers are usually 3 digits followed by one or two
> letters.
> Use the complete model information... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:10:08 GMT, "toedipper" <>
> wrote:
>
>>Sorry for the x post but I am in deep sh*t....
>>
>>I posted earlier today and asked under a topic of 'Slower
>>emory...better?' - if 256mb of pc66 memory would be better than 196 mb
>>of
>>combined 64 pc100 and 128mb pc133 memory...
>>
>>Well to cut a long story short I gave it a go and put in the 2 x 128mb
>>pc66
>>chips and the pc would not boot (not even power up) so I thought this was
>>due to my pc requiring a minimum of pc100 memory. At worst I could go
>>frying the mem chips as I got them foc...
>>
>>So I took them out and put in my original memory and the pc powers up but
>>nothing happens....it sort of powers up but no activity...
>>
>>Here are the symptoms in no particular order....
>>
>>The power supply seems to be working as the fan inside the power supply is
>>going.
>>
>>The hard drive *starts* to spin up, I can hear it, but just does not get
>>there, the hard drive activity light comes on *steady* for about 1-2 mins
>>and then goes out and system stays on. Usually when system is booting
>>the
>>hard drive light flickers as it reads data
>>
>>The cd and dvd drive lights flash as if checking to see if anything in
>>there
>>like they always do
>>
>>There are 2 cpu fans inside the case and they get the power from the
>>motherboard and they work ok, disonnecting their leads from the
>>motherboard
>>stops them so there must be power going to the motherboard
>>
>>There is no power, or seems to be no power, going to keyboard via ps2
>>port,
>>pressing caps/num lock produce no flashing led
>>
>>If I take power out of hard drive then it does not spin up so power must
>>be
>>going to it in first place to cause it to spin up
>>
>>If I take all memory out of system and switch on then it beeps and a green
>>light comes on motherboard beside the 2 memory slots so ther must be some
>>intelligence somewhere for it to know there is no memory
>>
>>If I take the main lead from power supply to motherboard out then pc will
>>not power up at all so the must be some power going to motherboard for it
>>to
>>even power up and sit there
>>
>>At the back of the PC - a HP Pavilion 710 ,1.3 Celeron, 40gb hd and
>>original
>>128mb ram- on the power supply is a green light and this on always on. I
>>am
>>not sure if this is always on or is on due to the fault
>>
>>Monitor flashes as if in standby mode waiting for video signal, as if I
>>have
>>shut pc down at night and not switched monitor off
>>
>>I have disconnected and reset all cables and pci cards but no joy incase
>>it
>>was something loose
>>
>>What do you think? Have I wrecked the PC. I am typing this from another.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>td.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Unless you zapped the memory while handling it (why I endorse ground
strapping and all this it stands for, I've never zapped any electronic
device even though I rarely wear a ground strap), chances are you did not
wreck it when you tried the new memory. Try reseating the original memory
and other cards in your system. You may have simply accidentally worked
something loose.

"toedipper" <> wrote in message
news:kFsZc.1499$...
> Sorry for the x post but I am in deep sh*t....
>
> I posted earlier today and asked under a topic of 'Slower
> mory...better?' - if 256mb of pc66 memory would be better than 196 mb of
> combined 64 pc100 and 128mb pc133 memory...
>
> Well to cut a long story short I gave it a go and put in the 2 x 128mb
> pc66 chips and the pc would not boot (not even power up) so I thought this
> was due to my pc requiring a minimum of pc100 memory. At worst I could go
> frying the mem chips as I got them foc...
>
> So I took them out and put in my original memory and the pc powers up but
> nothing happens....it sort of powers up but no activity...
>
> Here are the symptoms in no particular order....
>
> The power supply seems to be working as the fan inside the power supply is
> going.
>
> The hard drive *starts* to spin up, I can hear it, but just does not get
> there, the hard drive activity light comes on *steady* for about 1-2 mins
> and then goes out and system stays on. Usually when system is booting
> the hard drive light flickers as it reads data
>
> The cd and dvd drive lights flash as if checking to see if anything in
> there like they always do
>
> There are 2 cpu fans inside the case and they get the power from the
> motherboard and they work ok, disonnecting their leads from the
> motherboard stops them so there must be power going to the motherboard
>
> There is no power, or seems to be no power, going to keyboard via ps2
> port, pressing caps/num lock produce no flashing led
>
> If I take power out of hard drive then it does not spin up so power must
> be going to it in first place to cause it to spin up
>
> If I take all memory out of system and switch on then it beeps and a green
> light comes on motherboard beside the 2 memory slots so ther must be some
> intelligence somewhere for it to know there is no memory
>
> If I take the main lead from power supply to motherboard out then pc will
> not power up at all so the must be some power going to motherboard for it
> to even power up and sit there
>
> At the back of the PC - a HP Pavilion 710 ,1.3 Celeron, 40gb hd and
> original 128mb ram- on the power supply is a green light and this on
> always on. I am not sure if this is always on or is on due to the fault
>
> Monitor flashes as if in standby mode waiting for video signal, as if I
> have shut pc down at night and not switched monitor off
>
> I have disconnected and reset all cables and pci cards but no joy incase
> it was something loose
>
> What do you think? Have I wrecked the PC. I am typing this from another.
>
> Cheers,
>
> td.
>
>
>
>
>

In article <>, ben_myers_spam_me_not @
charter.net (Ben Myers) says...


Does the name Anna-Maria mean anything to you, Ben?

Should it??? I've encountered girls, women, and colleges with the name in
various stages of my life... Ben Myers

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 03:22:04 GMT, yak <> wrote:

>In article <>, ben_myers_spam_me_not @
>charter.net (Ben Myers) says...
>
>
>Does the name Anna-Maria mean anything to you, Ben?

In article <>, ben_myers_spam_me_not @
charter.net (Ben Myers) says...
> Should it??? I've encountered girls, women, and colleges with the name in
> various stages of my life... Ben Myers
>
> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 03:22:04 GMT, yak <> wrote:
>
> >In article <>, ben_myers_spam_me_not @
> >charter.net (Ben Myers) says...
> >
> >
> >Does the name Anna-Maria mean anything to you, Ben?
>
>


Because if Anna-Maria were your sister then you'd be the Ben I know. You
apparently aren't. So nevermind, heh.

Well, after much testing, it turns out it seems I fried the motherboard.

I removed the hard drive, graphics card and memory and they all worked in
another PC ok.

I put the same components from the other pc into mine and exact same
outcome, sort of powers up, hard drive spins but doesn't get to bios loading
etc.

Thanks for your help anyway.

Anyone know a good supplier of motherboard or bundle kits as I was thinking
of upgrading anyway? My motherboard is a ASUS TUSL-L which I believe ASUS
made for HP, it is not one of ASUS normal kits. The form factor is listed
here http://tinyurl.com/6efxy as UATX-> ATX ...do I just look for another
board of the same size?

thanks,

TD

"toedipper" <> wrote in message
news:kFsZc.1499$...
> Sorry for the x post but I am in deep sh*t....
>
> I posted earlier today and asked under a topic of 'Slower
> mory...better?' - if 256mb of pc66 memory would be better than 196 mb of
> combined 64 pc100 and 128mb pc133 memory...
>
> Well to cut a long story short I gave it a go and put in the 2 x 128mb
> pc66 chips and the pc would not boot (not even power up) so I thought this
> was due to my pc requiring a minimum of pc100 memory. At worst I could go
> frying the mem chips as I got them foc...
>
> So I took them out and put in my original memory and the pc powers up but
> nothing happens....it sort of powers up but no activity...
>
> Here are the symptoms in no particular order....
>
> The power supply seems to be working as the fan inside the power supply is
> going.
>
> The hard drive *starts* to spin up, I can hear it, but just does not get
> there, the hard drive activity light comes on *steady* for about 1-2 mins
> and then goes out and system stays on. Usually when system is booting
> the hard drive light flickers as it reads data
>
> The cd and dvd drive lights flash as if checking to see if anything in
> there like they always do
>
> There are 2 cpu fans inside the case and they get the power from the
> motherboard and they work ok, disonnecting their leads from the
> motherboard stops them so there must be power going to the motherboard
>
> There is no power, or seems to be no power, going to keyboard via ps2
> port, pressing caps/num lock produce no flashing led
>
> If I take power out of hard drive then it does not spin up so power must
> be going to it in first place to cause it to spin up
>
> If I take all memory out of system and switch on then it beeps and a green
> light comes on motherboard beside the 2 memory slots so ther must be some
> intelligence somewhere for it to know there is no memory
>
> If I take the main lead from power supply to motherboard out then pc will
> not power up at all so the must be some power going to motherboard for it
> to even power up and sit there
>
> At the back of the PC - a HP Pavilion 710 ,1.3 Celeron, 40gb hd and
> original 128mb ram- on the power supply is a green light and this on
> always on. I am not sure if this is always on or is on due to the fault
>
> Monitor flashes as if in standby mode waiting for video signal, as if I
> have shut pc down at night and not switched monitor off
>
> I have disconnected and reset all cables and pci cards but no joy incase
> it was something loose
>
> What do you think? Have I wrecked the PC. I am typing this from another.
>
> Cheers,
>
> td.
>
>
>
>
>

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:10:16 GMT, "toedipper"
<> wrote:

>Well, after much testing, it turns out it seems I fried the motherboard.
>
>I removed the hard drive, graphics card and memory and they all worked in
>another PC ok.

So the motherboard (or power supply?).

>
>I put the same components from the other pc into mine and exact same
>outcome, sort of powers up, hard drive spins but doesn't get to bios loading
>etc.
>
>Thanks for your help anyway.
>
>Anyone know a good supplier of motherboard or bundle kits as I was thinking
>of upgrading anyway? My motherboard is a ASUS TUSL-L which I believe ASUS
>made for HP, it is not one of ASUS normal kits. The form factor is listed
>here http://tinyurl.com/6efxy as UATX-> ATX ...do I just look for another
>board of the same size?

It appears to be "standard" mATX.
Yes, you could seek a board of same size. However, note the
power supply wattage as it may limit what newer parts can be
supported. It's quite possible that the Tualatin CPU yours used,
is about all that the chassis cooling and power can reasonably
accomodate. In that situation you might simply seek a
replacement motherboard, else replace whole case + PSU too.



Also note the rear I/O port shield, I'm fairly confident that it
can be removed, replaced with one from a new board if necessary,
but if not then it is something to consider when buying a
different board (or changing case too).