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Greg Smithers
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      04-08-2007, 01:41 AM


Does anyone know (or know how to determine) if the Dimension 8200 has a 400
or 533Mhz front side bus??

This system has been fine until I installed XP SP2 and Visual C# 2005
Express Edition. Startup/shutdown and most normal activities now take
forever because of the constant disk accessing. I'm assuming that it's all
the swapping that is being done because I'm so shy on physical memory.

I'd like to upgrade my memory from 256Mb to at least 1Gb. Dell sells two
types of memory for the D8200 on their website. One for systems with "400
Mhz front-side bus" and another for systems with "533Mhz front-side bus". I
can't find anything in my documentation regarding the bus speed. The BIOS
says that the bus speed is 100Mhz, which doesn't seem to make sense if the
memory speed can be as high as 400Mhz.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. (And no, buying a new system is not
in my plan.)


 
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Tom Scales
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      04-08-2007, 01:50 AM

"Greg Smithers" <> wrote in message
news:ISWRh.334$FC5.304@trndny06...
> Does anyone know (or know how to determine) if the Dimension 8200 has a
> 400 or 533Mhz front side bus??
>
> This system has been fine until I installed XP SP2 and Visual C# 2005
> Express Edition. Startup/shutdown and most normal activities now take
> forever because of the constant disk accessing. I'm assuming that it's
> all the swapping that is being done because I'm so shy on physical memory.
>
> I'd like to upgrade my memory from 256Mb to at least 1Gb. Dell sells two
> types of memory for the D8200 on their website. One for systems with "400
> Mhz front-side bus" and another for systems with "533Mhz front-side bus".
> I can't find anything in my documentation regarding the bus speed. The
> BIOS says that the bus speed is 100Mhz, which doesn't seem to make sense
> if the memory speed can be as high as 400Mhz.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated. (And no, buying a new system is not
> in my plan.)
>


It's quad-pumped, so you likely have the 400Mhz. The problem is, as I
recall, the only was to tell was to pull the heatsink off one of the chipset
chips.


 
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Ben Myers
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      04-08-2007, 02:46 AM
If the BIOS says 100MHz, then PC800 or faster will work. But faster PC1066
costs a small fortune.

If the 256MB consists of 4x64MB, you'll replace all of the memory with either
2x512MB + a pair of continuity RIMMs or 4x256MB.

If the 256MB consists of 2x128MB, your choices are the same. Plus adding
2x512MB would get you to 1280MB. Adding only 2x256MB would get you to 768MB,
which might be OK.

Another option would be to drop in a Dimension 8300 motherboard populated by
MUCH cheaper DDR... Ben Myers

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:50:43 -0400, "Tom Scales" <> wrote:

>
>"Greg Smithers" <> wrote in message
>news:ISWRh.334$FC5.304@trndny06...
>> Does anyone know (or know how to determine) if the Dimension 8200 has a
>> 400 or 533Mhz front side bus??
>>
>> This system has been fine until I installed XP SP2 and Visual C# 2005
>> Express Edition. Startup/shutdown and most normal activities now take
>> forever because of the constant disk accessing. I'm assuming that it's
>> all the swapping that is being done because I'm so shy on physical memory.
>>
>> I'd like to upgrade my memory from 256Mb to at least 1Gb. Dell sells two
>> types of memory for the D8200 on their website. One for systems with "400
>> Mhz front-side bus" and another for systems with "533Mhz front-side bus".
>> I can't find anything in my documentation regarding the bus speed. The
>> BIOS says that the bus speed is 100Mhz, which doesn't seem to make sense
>> if the memory speed can be as high as 400Mhz.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. (And no, buying a new system is not
>> in my plan.)
>>

>
>It's quad-pumped, so you likely have the 400Mhz. The problem is, as I
>recall, the only was to tell was to pull the heatsink off one of the chipset
>chips.
>

 
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HDRDTD
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      04-08-2007, 03:33 AM
8200's use PC800 RDRAM. Dell changed from the 850 to the 850E chipset around
June of 2002, and yes you remember correctly. The ONLY way to tell if you
have a 850 or an 850E chipset is to remove the heat sink and look.

The 8200 never ran the newer 1066RDRAM although it came out while the 8200
was still being sold. I believe the 8250 might be able to use the 1066, but
not the 8200.

The older 8200's used PC800-45ns while the newer ones used PC800-40ns.

The 8200's also came quite offten with ECC memory, but even if it did, you
can mix ECC and NON-ECC memory and it will just default to non-ECC
operation.

"Ben Myers" <> wrote in message
news:...
> If the BIOS says 100MHz, then PC800 or faster will work. But faster
> PC1066
> costs a small fortune.
>
> If the 256MB consists of 4x64MB, you'll replace all of the memory with
> either
> 2x512MB + a pair of continuity RIMMs or 4x256MB.
>
> If the 256MB consists of 2x128MB, your choices are the same. Plus adding
> 2x512MB would get you to 1280MB. Adding only 2x256MB would get you to
> 768MB,
> which might be OK.
>
> Another option would be to drop in a Dimension 8300 motherboard populated
> by
> MUCH cheaper DDR... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:50:43 -0400, "Tom Scales" <>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Greg Smithers" <> wrote in message
>>news:ISWRh.334$FC5.304@trndny06...
>>> Does anyone know (or know how to determine) if the Dimension 8200 has a
>>> 400 or 533Mhz front side bus??
>>>
>>> This system has been fine until I installed XP SP2 and Visual C# 2005
>>> Express Edition. Startup/shutdown and most normal activities now take
>>> forever because of the constant disk accessing. I'm assuming that it's
>>> all the swapping that is being done because I'm so shy on physical
>>> memory.
>>>
>>> I'd like to upgrade my memory from 256Mb to at least 1Gb. Dell sells
>>> two
>>> types of memory for the D8200 on their website. One for systems with
>>> "400
>>> Mhz front-side bus" and another for systems with "533Mhz front-side
>>> bus".
>>> I can't find anything in my documentation regarding the bus speed. The
>>> BIOS says that the bus speed is 100Mhz, which doesn't seem to make sense
>>> if the memory speed can be as high as 400Mhz.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. (And no, buying a new system is
>>> not
>>> in my plan.)
>>>

>>
>>It's quad-pumped, so you likely have the 400Mhz. The problem is, as I
>>recall, the only was to tell was to pull the heatsink off one of the
>>chipset
>>chips.
>>


 
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Ben Myers
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      04-08-2007, 04:50 AM
I've used an 8200 board to test PC1066, the 184-pin one which is pin-compatible,
of course. It works, but it is not cost-effective.

To me, the 240-pin RDRAM is rare and odd... Ben Myers

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:33:03 -0400, "HDRDTD" <> wrote:

>8200's use PC800 RDRAM. Dell changed from the 850 to the 850E chipset around
>June of 2002, and yes you remember correctly. The ONLY way to tell if you
>have a 850 or an 850E chipset is to remove the heat sink and look.
>
>The 8200 never ran the newer 1066RDRAM although it came out while the 8200
>was still being sold. I believe the 8250 might be able to use the 1066, but
>not the 8200.
>
>The older 8200's used PC800-45ns while the newer ones used PC800-40ns.
>
>The 8200's also came quite offten with ECC memory, but even if it did, you
>can mix ECC and NON-ECC memory and it will just default to non-ECC
>operation.
>
>"Ben Myers" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> If the BIOS says 100MHz, then PC800 or faster will work. But faster
>> PC1066
>> costs a small fortune.
>>
>> If the 256MB consists of 4x64MB, you'll replace all of the memory with
>> either
>> 2x512MB + a pair of continuity RIMMs or 4x256MB.
>>
>> If the 256MB consists of 2x128MB, your choices are the same. Plus adding
>> 2x512MB would get you to 1280MB. Adding only 2x256MB would get you to
>> 768MB,
>> which might be OK.
>>
>> Another option would be to drop in a Dimension 8300 motherboard populated
>> by
>> MUCH cheaper DDR... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:50:43 -0400, "Tom Scales" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Greg Smithers" <> wrote in message
>>>news:ISWRh.334$FC5.304@trndny06...
>>>> Does anyone know (or know how to determine) if the Dimension 8200 has a
>>>> 400 or 533Mhz front side bus??
>>>>
>>>> This system has been fine until I installed XP SP2 and Visual C# 2005
>>>> Express Edition. Startup/shutdown and most normal activities now take
>>>> forever because of the constant disk accessing. I'm assuming that it's
>>>> all the swapping that is being done because I'm so shy on physical
>>>> memory.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to upgrade my memory from 256Mb to at least 1Gb. Dell sells
>>>> two
>>>> types of memory for the D8200 on their website. One for systems with
>>>> "400
>>>> Mhz front-side bus" and another for systems with "533Mhz front-side
>>>> bus".
>>>> I can't find anything in my documentation regarding the bus speed. The
>>>> BIOS says that the bus speed is 100Mhz, which doesn't seem to make sense
>>>> if the memory speed can be as high as 400Mhz.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. (And no, buying a new system is
>>>> not
>>>> in my plan.)
>>>>
>>>
>>>It's quad-pumped, so you likely have the 400Mhz. The problem is, as I
>>>recall, the only was to tell was to pull the heatsink off one of the
>>>chipset
>>>chips.
>>>

 
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HDRDTD
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      04-08-2007, 06:10 AM
I'm sure that the PC1066 will work in an 8200, that's not what I meant. The
8200 just wont run it at it's rated speed.

There was quite the disgruntled group of 8200 owners back then when they
found out that Dell would never come out with a BIOS upgrade for the 8200 to
take advantage of the newer PC1066 RDRAM. Other manufacturer's were, but not
Dell. Of course it was reported back then that the reason was because the
Dell motherboards were essentially Intel motherboards, and Intel wasn't
going to supply a BIOS upgrade for it. At least that's what the story was
back then.

My Dimension 8200 (bought June of 2002) was one of the first (2.53Ghz) that
had the 533Mhz FSB, but it still used the PC800 RDRAM.


"Ben Myers" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I've used an 8200 board to test PC1066, the 184-pin one which is
> pin-compatible,
> of course. It works, but it is not cost-effective.
>
> To me, the 240-pin RDRAM is rare and odd... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:33:03 -0400, "HDRDTD" <> wrote:
>
>>8200's use PC800 RDRAM. Dell changed from the 850 to the 850E chipset
>>around
>>June of 2002, and yes you remember correctly. The ONLY way to tell if you
>>have a 850 or an 850E chipset is to remove the heat sink and look.
>>
>>The 8200 never ran the newer 1066RDRAM although it came out while the 8200
>>was still being sold. I believe the 8250 might be able to use the 1066,
>>but
>>not the 8200.
>>
>>The older 8200's used PC800-45ns while the newer ones used PC800-40ns.
>>
>>The 8200's also came quite offten with ECC memory, but even if it did, you
>>can mix ECC and NON-ECC memory and it will just default to non-ECC
>>operation.
>>
>>"Ben Myers" <> wrote in message
>>news:. ..
>>> If the BIOS says 100MHz, then PC800 or faster will work. But faster
>>> PC1066
>>> costs a small fortune.
>>>
>>> If the 256MB consists of 4x64MB, you'll replace all of the memory with
>>> either
>>> 2x512MB + a pair of continuity RIMMs or 4x256MB.
>>>
>>> If the 256MB consists of 2x128MB, your choices are the same. Plus
>>> adding
>>> 2x512MB would get you to 1280MB. Adding only 2x256MB would get you to
>>> 768MB,
>>> which might be OK.
>>>
>>> Another option would be to drop in a Dimension 8300 motherboard
>>> populated
>>> by
>>> MUCH cheaper DDR... Ben Myers
>>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:50:43 -0400, "Tom Scales" <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Greg Smithers" <> wrote in message
>>>>news:ISWRh.334$FC5.304@trndny06...
>>>>> Does anyone know (or know how to determine) if the Dimension 8200 has
>>>>> a
>>>>> 400 or 533Mhz front side bus??
>>>>>
>>>>> This system has been fine until I installed XP SP2 and Visual C# 2005
>>>>> Express Edition. Startup/shutdown and most normal activities now take
>>>>> forever because of the constant disk accessing. I'm assuming that
>>>>> it's
>>>>> all the swapping that is being done because I'm so shy on physical
>>>>> memory.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to upgrade my memory from 256Mb to at least 1Gb. Dell sells
>>>>> two
>>>>> types of memory for the D8200 on their website. One for systems with
>>>>> "400
>>>>> Mhz front-side bus" and another for systems with "533Mhz front-side
>>>>> bus".
>>>>> I can't find anything in my documentation regarding the bus speed.
>>>>> The
>>>>> BIOS says that the bus speed is 100Mhz, which doesn't seem to make
>>>>> sense
>>>>> if the memory speed can be as high as 400Mhz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. (And no, buying a new system is
>>>>> not
>>>>> in my plan.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's quad-pumped, so you likely have the 400Mhz. The problem is, as I
>>>>recall, the only was to tell was to pull the heatsink off one of the
>>>>chipset
>>>>chips.
>>>>


 
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