This is the coolest **** ever... you gotta see this LOL.

My reason is pure self-interest. I use the savings I get
to maintain my labs at top performance. Sure, Mother
Teresa might say that we are wasting energy by having
computers at all, but her self-interest was to pass through
the eye of the needle. Somewhere out there is balance
in all things. That is pro-active, and will feed the poor
while educating them to a better life at the same time.
Besides, you can't set hibernate to 15 minutes .. shortest
is 45 minutes. Even then my greed-inspired thoughtless
grad students saw that as an imposition, and put up
nasty ignorant signs about "BEWARE .. THESE PCs
ARE SET TO TURN OFF AFTER 45 MINUTES !"
They think they have a right to go to lunch and come
back with the PC sitting there as they left it. If they
had their way, I would bring them a leg of lamb
every day so they would not have to move off of
their twatts. Maybe a flagon of ale, HARR, HARR!

johns

In article <. com>,
says...
> krw wrote:
>
> > Huh? My three-year-old ViewSonic P95b consumes about 3W in
> > standby. Even my 6-year-old IBM G94 consumes less than 8W in
> > standby. Neither are in much use anymore, but the P95b will be if I
> > can get Xinerama working in SuSE Linux (not much chance, I fear).
>
> According to manufacturer published specs?

Kil-o-watt (the ViewSonic's spec is 3W, the IBM isn't spec'd).

> Numerous tests have found
> large disparities between published specs and actual measurements of
> power consumption during standby. Many CRT monitors failed to meet
> Energy Star and other energy saving initiatives though they use the
> compliance logos.
>
> But yeah, you seem to newly have stumbled upon the meaning of "most"

"Most" means they've tested a representative sample of the entire
population so a statistical analysis can be made.

> (in contrast to the meaning of "all"). More expensive product lines
> from major brands such as IBM typically tested better than the
> lower-end commodity CRT monitors (i.e. MAG, ProView, Envision, KDS,
> CTX, the cheaper CRTs shipped with PCs from eMachines, Gateway, Compaq,
> Dell, et. al.).

Do note that IBM hasn't made their own monitors in at least ten
years (there is some evidence that they're mostly ViewSonics).

--
Keith

Tim responded <cut>:
> narrow single-issue mindedness, which in this case seems to be driven
> > more by some juvenile disdain for Microsoft than sincere 'concern' for
> > the environment (typical of environmentalists).

No Way Jose>>>>

from Tom's:
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/19/mi...wer_drain_bug/

from Microsoft:
"Microsoft has confirmed that this is a bug
in the Microsoft products that are listed at
the beginning of this article:"
http://support.microsoft.com/default...en-us%3B328538

from MS forum:
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Sho...43814&SiteID=1

from Microsoft:
"The result of the power management scenario in Windows 95/Windows NT
4.0 systems is suboptimal.."
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system.../devicepm.mspx

BUT in defense of Tim's loyalty to the Microsoft Menace:
"Microsoft officials promised that XP will boot more quickly than
Windows 2000 and that XP will recover from Standby and Hibernate modes
more quickly as well. In tests, we found XP did improve on Windows
2000's boot time by about 20 seconds, but the differences we experienced
in Standby recovery were minimal.
To really improve in these areas, machines running XP will require
improved drivers from hardware vendors."
http://www.eweek.com/print_article2/...,a=8133,00.asp

OSbandito wrote:
>
> No Way Jose>>>
>
> from Microsoft:
> "Microsoft has confirmed that this is a bug
> in the Microsoft products that are listed at
> the beginning of this article:"


You've actually helped prove my point. Many power management bugs have
been discovered in Windows XP and the KB article you cited is highly
representative. They largely have affected specific hardware
configurations, often under a particular set of conditions, not a more
widespread or fundamental flaw in Microsoft's power management
implementation. In your example, only networked firewire devices are
affected and even then only when particular conditions are met.

Of course, the release notes and change logs for any Linux distro will
contain the occasional fix or 'known issue' for precisely these kinds
of hardware and/or condition specific power management bugs, too.

Don't tell anyone, though. The fact that Linux has its share of bugs
and glitches seems to be a closely guarded secret (a.k.a. willfull
blindness) among the anti-Microsoft crowd. We wouldn't want to be
responsible for a sudden increase in the use of anti-anxiety,
anti-depressant, and anti-psychotic drugs among these folks, as they
struggle to cope with a new reality they've worked so hard to avoid in
the past. ;-)


> from Microsoft:
> "The result of the power management scenario in Windows 95/Windows NT
> 4.0 systems is suboptimal.."


The article was refuting that Windows XP was any real improvement over
previous operating systems. Windows 95/NT used APM and I think
everyone would agree that power management was 'suboptimal' on those
platforms (to put it mildly).


> BUT in defense of Tim's loyalty to the Microsoft Menace:
> "Microsoft officials promised that XP will boot more quickly than
> Windows 2000 and that XP will recover from Standby and Hibernate modes
> more quickly as well. In tests, we found XP did improve on Windows
> 2000's boot time by about 20 seconds, but the differences we experienced
> in Standby recovery were minimal.
> To really improve in these areas, machines running XP will require
> improved drivers from hardware vendors."


I have no loyalty to Microsoft, only to the truth. ;-)

I should add that BIOS and firmware account for their share of PM bugs,
in addition to device drivers. I've seen many dozens of BIOS updates
from motherboard companies that listed a 'fix' for some PM issue among
the release notes.

Regards,

Tim

Tim rightly declared:

"I have no loyalty to Microsoft, only to the truth. ;-)

I should add that BIOS and firmware account for their share of PM bugs,
in addition to device drivers. I've seen many dozens of BIOS updates
from motherboard companies that listed a 'fix' for some PM issue among
the release notes."

Regards, Tim

_____________________________________

Yeah, I was teasing a bit. I've been a Mac user for a long time but
with Steve Jobs having gone darkside, I can't wait to get a BSD or Linux
box going. I've got to find a good Linux ng to get some info on an
easy-to-use distro. I'm good with hardware but **** with command-line.



One cannibal to the other as they're eating a freshly-boiled Clown:
"Is it just me or does something taste funny?"

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

"Skybuck Flying" <> spake the secret code
<ek7ovk$clh$> thusly:

>Let's SUE microsoft.

So typical of the modern attitude of denying all responsibility for
anything you do and blaming someone else who has deep pockets.

Did it ever occur to you to just turn off your computer when you're
not using it? Sheesh.
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