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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:36:53 -0600, "BillW50" <> wrote:
>In news:, >RnR wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:18:54 -0600, "RnR" <> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:03:18 -0600, "RnR" <> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:59:31 -0600, "RnR" <> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Got my daughter's old laptop back and I decided to try to format >>>>> it. Problem is it won't boot up. On the device status lights, >>>>> the 2nd from the left (4 total) flickers fast then goes out as the >>>>> laptop seems to want to boot up. The manual says this light >>>>> "turns on when the computer reads and writes data" so I'm assuming >>>>> a bad drive???? Meanwhile I'm going to try to see what type drive >>>>> and see if I can just swap out a spare laptop drive with the >>>>> existing one. If not, wonder if my old 1100 or 1405 can swap with >>>>> this one? >>>> >>>> >>>> Never mind.... I think maybe the battery was too weak. I had it on >>>> electric for about 15 to 30 minutes and now it's booting up to the >>>> xp welcome screen. I like it when it fixes itself <grin>. >>> >>> >>> Well crap, it got stuck in the welcome screen since I forgot my >>> password and so I tried to reboot and now it's doing the same thing >>> as before. I had it plugged in too all the while. Now I just >>> thought about the CMOS battery. Could it be so weak that it's >>> causing this failure to boot? I don't think this laptop has been >>> used or plugged in for a couple of years. >> >> Continuing this saga... I got it to boot up now and into my name so it >> appears to work but I still wonder if the CMOS battery is weak? Will >> it charge up if the laptop is plugged in? Sorry for all my posts in >> this thread.... > >I don't know about most Dells, but some laptops have weird CMOS charging >restrictions. And this information is usually hard to find out (service >manual usually says though). Sometimes they have to be powered on to >charge (not just plugged in and off). Although any power on state should >be ok even at the BIOS Setup. And my old Toshiba 2595XDVD is even more >restrictive before charging the CMOS battery. As the laptop screen has >to be lit too or it won't charge (there is a hotkey to toggle the screen >on and off). And generally speaking, virtually all laptops take between >12 to 24 hours to fully charge a CMOS battery. Well had it on charger over nite and it booted up fine 2 or 3 times. Waited about 20 minutes or so and turned it on again and this time, no dice. I figure it's got to be the CMOS battery or reserve battery as Dell likes to refer to. I just wish there was a way to monitor this CMOS battery as the regular battery (now fully charged). Problem is whether I want to spend for the replacement CMOS battery for a 6 yr old laptop that otherwise works fine?? I already have spare laptops collecting dust now. And I think another daughter will be buying a new laptop so I'll be adding to my laptop collection soon if true. I'll probably end up buying the CMOS battery reluctantly and watch the laptop collect dust  |
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On 2/16/2012 7:26 AM, RnR wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:36:53 -0600, "BillW50"<> wrote: > >> In news:, >> RnR wrote: >>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:18:54 -0600, "RnR"<> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:03:18 -0600, "RnR"<> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:59:31 -0600, "RnR"<> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Got my daughter's old laptop back and I decided to try to format >>>>>> it. Problem is it won't boot up. On the device status lights, >>>>>> the 2nd from the left (4 total) flickers fast then goes out as the >>>>>> laptop seems to want to boot up. The manual says this light >>>>>> "turns on when the computer reads and writes data" so I'm assuming >>>>>> a bad drive???? Meanwhile I'm going to try to see what type drive >>>>>> and see if I can just swap out a spare laptop drive with the >>>>>> existing one. If not, wonder if my old 1100 or 1405 can swap with >>>>>> this one? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Never mind.... I think maybe the battery was too weak. I had it on >>>>> electric for about 15 to 30 minutes and now it's booting up to the >>>>> xp welcome screen. I like it when it fixes itself<grin>. >>>> >>>> >>>> Well crap, it got stuck in the welcome screen since I forgot my >>>> password and so I tried to reboot and now it's doing the same thing >>>> as before. I had it plugged in too all the while. Now I just >>>> thought about the CMOS battery. Could it be so weak that it's >>>> causing this failure to boot? I don't think this laptop has been >>>> used or plugged in for a couple of years. >>> >>> Continuing this saga... I got it to boot up now and into my name so it >>> appears to work but I still wonder if the CMOS battery is weak? Will >>> it charge up if the laptop is plugged in? Sorry for all my posts in >>> this thread.... >> >> I don't know about most Dells, but some laptops have weird CMOS charging >> restrictions. And this information is usually hard to find out (service >> manual usually says though). Sometimes they have to be powered on to >> charge (not just plugged in and off). Although any power on state should >> be ok even at the BIOS Setup. And my old Toshiba 2595XDVD is even more >> restrictive before charging the CMOS battery. As the laptop screen has >> to be lit too or it won't charge (there is a hotkey to toggle the screen >> on and off). And generally speaking, virtually all laptops take between >> 12 to 24 hours to fully charge a CMOS battery. > > Well had it on charger over nite and it booted up fine 2 or 3 times. > Waited about 20 minutes or so and turned it on again and this time, no > dice. I figure it's got to be the CMOS battery or reserve battery as > Dell likes to refer to. I just wish there was a way to monitor this > CMOS battery as the regular battery (now fully charged). Problem is > whether I want to spend for the replacement CMOS battery for a 6 yr > old laptop that otherwise works fine?? I already have spare laptops > collecting dust now. And I think another daughter will be buying a > new laptop so I'll be adding to my laptop collection soon if true. > I'll probably end up buying the CMOS battery reluctantly and watch the > laptop collect dust For me, it is hard to say what the problem is yet. As it sounds like it could be lots of things to me yet to put my finger on one or two things yet. And yes, it could be due to a weak CMOS battery, but a lot of laptops don't care if the CMOS battery is working or not. Unfortunately, some do care. If the trouble is the battery is just weak, which could cause lots of weird problems. So it might work better if the battery was disconnected. That way it wouldn't be stuck between good and bad states. Is it easy to get too just to test this idea? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0 Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:39:25 -0600, BillW50 <> wrote:
>On 2/16/2012 7:26 AM, RnR wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:36:53 -0600, "BillW50"<> wrote: >> >>> In news:, >>> RnR wrote: >>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:18:54 -0600, "RnR"<> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:03:18 -0600, "RnR"<> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:59:31 -0600, "RnR"<> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Got my daughter's old laptop back and I decided to try to format >>>>>>> it. Problem is it won't boot up. On the device status lights, >>>>>>> the 2nd from the left (4 total) flickers fast then goes out as the >>>>>>> laptop seems to want to boot up. The manual says this light >>>>>>> "turns on when the computer reads and writes data" so I'm assuming >>>>>>> a bad drive???? Meanwhile I'm going to try to see what type drive >>>>>>> and see if I can just swap out a spare laptop drive with the >>>>>>> existing one. If not, wonder if my old 1100 or 1405 can swap with >>>>>>> this one? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Never mind.... I think maybe the battery was too weak. I had it on >>>>>> electric for about 15 to 30 minutes and now it's booting up to the >>>>>> xp welcome screen. I like it when it fixes itself<grin>. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well crap, it got stuck in the welcome screen since I forgot my >>>>> password and so I tried to reboot and now it's doing the same thing >>>>> as before. I had it plugged in too all the while. Now I just >>>>> thought about the CMOS battery. Could it be so weak that it's >>>>> causing this failure to boot? I don't think this laptop has been >>>>> used or plugged in for a couple of years. >>>> >>>> Continuing this saga... I got it to boot up now and into my name so it >>>> appears to work but I still wonder if the CMOS battery is weak? Will >>>> it charge up if the laptop is plugged in? Sorry for all my posts in >>>> this thread.... >>> >>> I don't know about most Dells, but some laptops have weird CMOS charging >>> restrictions. And this information is usually hard to find out (service >>> manual usually says though). Sometimes they have to be powered on to >>> charge (not just plugged in and off). Although any power on state should >>> be ok even at the BIOS Setup. And my old Toshiba 2595XDVD is even more >>> restrictive before charging the CMOS battery. As the laptop screen has >>> to be lit too or it won't charge (there is a hotkey to toggle the screen >>> on and off). And generally speaking, virtually all laptops take between >>> 12 to 24 hours to fully charge a CMOS battery. >> >> Well had it on charger over nite and it booted up fine 2 or 3 times. >> Waited about 20 minutes or so and turned it on again and this time, no >> dice. I figure it's got to be the CMOS battery or reserve battery as >> Dell likes to refer to. I just wish there was a way to monitor this >> CMOS battery as the regular battery (now fully charged). Problem is >> whether I want to spend for the replacement CMOS battery for a 6 yr >> old laptop that otherwise works fine?? I already have spare laptops >> collecting dust now. And I think another daughter will be buying a >> new laptop so I'll be adding to my laptop collection soon if true. >> I'll probably end up buying the CMOS battery reluctantly and watch the >> laptop collect dust > >For me, it is hard to say what the problem is yet. As it sounds like it >could be lots of things to me yet to put my finger on one or two things >yet. And yes, it could be due to a weak CMOS battery, but a lot of >laptops don't care if the CMOS battery is working or not. Unfortunately, >some do care. > >If the trouble is the battery is just weak, which could cause lots of >weird problems. So it might work better if the battery was disconnected. >That way it wouldn't be stuck between good and bad states. Is it easy to >get too just to test this idea? Well I saw a cmos battery for $3.00 new with free shipping on Ebay so I bit the bullet and ordered it. I'll just take the chance. If I'm wrong, then it goes into the pile for parts or donating. Now if I'm right, it goes into the pile for collecting dust No wonder why I can't get rich this way.... Last, thanks Bill for the help !!!! |
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On Feb 16, 9:44*am, "RnR" <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:39:25 -0600, BillW50 <Bill...@aol.kom> wrote: > >On 2/16/2012 7:26 AM, RnR wrote: > >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:36:53 -0600, "BillW50"<Bill...@aol.kom> *wrote: > > >>> Innews:, > >>> RnR wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:18:54 -0600, "RnR"<rnrte...@gmail.com> *wrote: > > >>>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:03:18 -0600, "RnR"<rnrte...@gmail.com> *wrote: > > >>>>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:59:31 -0600, "RnR"<rnrte...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> Got my daughter's old laptop back and I decided to try to format > >>>>>>> it. Problem is it won't boot up. * On the device status lights, > >>>>>>> the 2nd from the left (4 total) flickers fast then goes out as the > >>>>>>> laptop seems to want to boot up. *The manual says this light > >>>>>>> "turns on when the computer reads and writes data" so I'm assuming > >>>>>>> a bad drive???? Meanwhile I'm going to try to see what type drive > >>>>>>> and see if I can just swap out a spare laptop drive with the > >>>>>>> existing one. *If not, wonder if my old 1100 or 1405 can swap with > >>>>>>> this one? > > >>>>>> Never mind.... *I think maybe the battery was too weak. *I hadit on > >>>>>> electric for about 15 to 30 minutes and now it's booting up to the > >>>>>> xp welcome screen. * I like it when it fixes itself<grin>. > > >>>>> Well crap, it got stuck in the welcome screen since I forgot my > >>>>> password and so I tried to reboot and now it's doing the same thing > >>>>> as before. *I had it plugged in too all the while. *Now I just > >>>>> thought about the CMOS battery. * Could it be so weak that it's > >>>>> causing this failure to boot? *I don't think this laptop has been > >>>>> used or plugged in for a couple of years. > > >>>> Continuing this saga... I got it to boot up now and into my name so it > >>>> appears to work but I still wonder if the CMOS battery is weak? * Will > >>>> it charge up if the laptop is plugged in? * *Sorry for all my posts in > >>>> this thread.... > > >>> I don't know about most Dells, but some laptops have weird CMOS charging > >>> restrictions. And this information is usually hard to find out (service > >>> manual usually says though). Sometimes they have to be powered on to > >>> charge (not just plugged in and off). Although any power on state should > >>> be ok even at the BIOS Setup. And my old Toshiba 2595XDVD is even more > >>> restrictive before charging the CMOS battery. As the laptop screen has > >>> to be lit too or it won't charge (there is a hotkey to toggle the screen > >>> on and off). And generally speaking, virtually all laptops take between > >>> 12 to 24 hours to fully charge a CMOS battery. > > >> Well had it on charger over nite and it booted up fine 2 or 3 times. > >> Waited about 20 minutes or so and turned it on again and this time, no > >> dice. *I figure it's got to be the CMOS battery or reserve battery as > >> Dell likes to refer to. *I just wish there was a way to monitor this > >> CMOS battery as the regular battery (now fully charged). * Problem is > >> whether I want to spend for the replacement CMOS battery for a 6 yr > >> old laptop that otherwise works fine?? *I already have spare laptops > >> collecting dust now. *And I think another daughter will be buying a > >> new laptop so I'll be adding to my laptop collection soon if true. > >> I'll probably end up buying the CMOS battery reluctantly and watch the > >> laptop collect dust * > > >For me, it is hard to say what the problem is yet. As it sounds like it > >could be lots of things to me yet to put my finger on one or two things > >yet. And yes, it could be due to a weak CMOS battery, but a lot of > >laptops don't care if the CMOS battery is working or not. Unfortunately, > >some do care. > > >If the trouble is the battery is just weak, which could cause lots of > >weird problems. So it might work better if the battery was disconnected. > >That way it wouldn't be stuck between good and bad states. Is it easy to > >get too just to test this idea? > > Well I saw a cmos battery for $3.00 new with free shipping on Ebay so > I bit the bullet and ordered it. *I'll just take the chance. *If I'm > wrong, then it goes into the pile for parts or donating. *Now if I'm > right, it goes into the pile for collecting dust > No wonder why I can't get rich this way.... > Last, thanks Bill for the help !!!! I have a 600m...it was a nice laptop with good graphics for the time and a solid build. About one month past the three year warranty, my screen went dark, but it works fine with an external monitor. I have some dos based games that I still play on it. Larry |
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