Dvorak Likes Linux

I've had it permanently installed on my desktop since version 5.10,
too. Meanwhile it's been permanently installed on my laptop since 8.10
(after I upgraded the disk to 160GB). I now find myself using mainly
Ubuntu on the laptop, but the desktop still needs a few apps running
on Windows -- that'll be fixed soon enough once I figure the
Virtualbox out. So John C. welcome to the party.

Yousuf Khan

Dvorak Likes Linux - Lab Notes by ExtremeTech
"Every so often I take a stab at Linux, to see exactly what I like and
do not like about the OS. Many of its problems, for me, stem from its
inability to run on my overloaded hardware, or the occasional driver
that makes the OS impossible to use without hand-tweaking something or
other. That said, I seriously like the Ubuntu 8.10 implementation and
will now install it permanently on my latest machines. It's a winner.
"
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2342869,00.asp

Jan Panteltje wrote:
> A little bit of caution against Linux.
> As a 12 year Linux users, well from SLS distro kernel-0.98??? or so,
> maybe more then 12 years now, lately I have become a bit - let's say
> '****ed' with the Linux stuff.
> Mainly because things continuously break due to required 'upgrading' of packages,
> and also because of market protection (and that is related to my first point)
> by the various distros,
> and I need to point out that I've read bubuntu's boss is a billionaire...
> is he pushing their products....
> I have never tried bubuntoe and very likely never will.

Is Bubuntu yet another new distro based on Ubuntu? They already have
Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, Medibuntu, etc. I'm thinking Bubuntu is a
typo on your part, but you can never tell these days. :-)

> In retrospect the best distro I ever had was Slackware.
> RatHead was the first with using incompatibility to bind people to
> their systems, Suse was good but is having sex with MS, and is there sabotage going on?
> And the kernel is getting different every release, filesystems break (ext4),
> and good things are not put into - and bad things are put into that kernel.
> Systems are changed from version X.x to Y.z so nothing works anymore, gnu
> software, that was some sort of sign for 'it will work', breaks, it is a MESS.
> All that to make a commercial product so you have to buy a complete distro.

Well, I have settled on Ubuntu myself. I'm pretty comfortable with it. I
do dislike some of the changes they're making which break previous
methods of doing things, but that's just something I'm used to from
years of Windows upgrades. Everything I learned in Windows 95 had to be
thrown out with Windows 98, then again with 2000, and then again with
XP, and now with Vista.

Yousuf Khan

> Is Bubuntu yet another new distro based on Ubuntu? They already have
> Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, Medibuntu, etc. I'm thinking Bubuntu is a
> typo on your part, but you can never tell these days. :-)

No typo:

http://torrents-search-engine.com/Bu...are_96145.html

Tom Lake

> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2342869,00.asp

"You should also note that almost all of the newest hardware coming out
has Linux support."

I think that's overstating it, and figuring out whether the hardware one
intends to buy is supported can be a tortuous process. Life is not made
any easier by the fact that some manufacturers will completely change
the design of a board and just change the revision number.

Sylvia.

On Mar 13, 11:21*am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I dunno, I had a free win32 type compiler that I used some times to make simple GUIs, I think
> it worked in all older version, but am not sure anymore, so long ago.
> I just tried to make a Nokia bluetooth headset work with the Asus eeePC (for Skype).
> Not only are many of the instructions on the net wrong, the whole bluetooth thing (bluez)
> was changed from version 2.? to 3.? to use dbus, but no indication how toadd a PIN for paring
> the headset.
> Finally found a hint on wiki.eeeuser.com where to put the pin, and got the thing to pair,
> and can connect to it, next should be how to send and get sound from it.

Actually, I've had a similar problem with a bluetooth adapter that I
just can't seem to get a driver for. I assume the solution to this
will be for an OEM to package a bluetooth adapter already configured
and known to work with Linux. We are heading towards an era where PCs
won't be nearly so customized, except from out of the factory. This
can only help Linux, when the factory puts stuff in that is guaranteed
to work.

We won't be adding nearly so much stuff into our PCs from the
aftermarket.

Yousuf Khan

On Mar 13, 8:28*am, Jan Panteltje

> Time for something new.

Maybe you'd be happier in the world of OpenVMS: extremely stable OS,
authoritarian vendor and user community (no democratic chaos), endless
supply of super-cheap hardware (what to do with all those Itanium
boxes that fix into such a teensy little niche), open source code for
non-commercial uses.

Or you can fork Linux any time or any place you like.

Or you can pick up any of the ambitious OS efforts that have been
started and abandoned at places like CMU and MIT.

If you're going to count on someone else to do it for you, you have to
put up with whatever *they* decide. Has nothing to do with
capitalism, socialism, Marxism, imperialism, or even that the world of
software has a special corner on human foibles.

Personally, for all the aggravation, I don't see anything in the near
future but Linux (as dominated by IBM and RedHat) and Windows (because
of all those proprietary encoders).

Who knows. Maybe ARM will kill off both x86 and its co-dependent
OS's. Only time will tell.

In the meanwhile, I'm really happy with the LInux and Open Source
Communities (pax, RMS), and I can tolerate Windows. I really don't
think I could do better.

Robert.

On Mar 14, 6:15*pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

>
> Well, why bother.
>

You might bother if you grasped that existing OS's have got it all
wrong. Or, you might not bother if you grasped that existing OS's and
existing ISA's have one another in a death grip.

But I don't don't think you grasp those things, and I'm sure you will
think I am patronizing you for saying so.

Why bother, indeed? Why bother with a different OS or a different ISA
unless you've got something really different on your mind?

Robert.

Robert Myers wrote:
: On Mar 14, 6:15 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
:
::
:: Well, why bother.
::
:
: You might bother if you grasped that existing OS's have got it all
: wrong. Or, you might not bother if you grasped that existing OS's
: and existing ISA's have one another in a death grip.
:
: But I don't don't think you grasp those things, and I'm sure you
: will think I am patronizing you for saying so.

You are SUCH a freaking bag of hot air....what an asshole. I've been
reading Jan Pantelje's posts for years (at least since '98 or so) in various
NG's. I've also had the displeasure of following your arcane reasoning in a
multitude of "posts de mierda)" over the years...sometimes I think your
alias is "Ron Reaugh" in place of "R. Myers." I wish you would just
s.t.f.u. because you're clearly out of your league here. LOL!

J.

On Mar 15, 8:58*am, "Jack" <j...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Robert Myers wrote:
>
> : On Mar 14, 6:15 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> :
> ::
> :: Well, why bother.
> ::
> :
> : You might bother if you grasped that existing OS's have got it all
> : wrong. *Or, you might not bother if you grasped that existing OS's
> : and existing ISA's have one another in a death grip.
> :
> : But I don't don't think you grasp those things, and I'm sure you
> : will think I am patronizing you for saying so.
>
> You are SUCH a freaking bag of hot air....what an asshole. *I've been
> reading Jan Pantelje's posts for years (at least since '98 or so) in various
> NG's. *I've also had the displeasure of following your arcane reasoningin a
> multitude of "posts de mierda)" over the years...sometimes I think your
> alias is "Ron Reaugh" in place of "R. Myers." *I wish you would just
> s.t.f.u. because you're clearly out of your league here. *LOL!
>

It's pretty simple. If someone says things that are of no value to
you, you ignore them.

Here, you are engaged in a different activity, which is defamation.
There's nothing subtle about it. You are directly attacking my
character, my personality, my knowledge, and my intelligence. Why you
feel the need to do that or why you would think it an appropriate
thing to do is beyond my imagining.

There is no technical content to this conversation at all. It's about
social realities: how you evaluate others, how you think others will
evaluate you, and what you think you can get away with in a social
setting. What you think you can get away with is repulsive.

I don't have any absolute technique for evaluating your intelligence
or anyone else's. You may be very smart in ways that are utterly
beyond my comprehension, but it works both ways. If you can't
understand how I think or how I express myself, it doesn't mean that
I'm stupid or any other negative quality you might wish to attach to
me.

The fact that you think you are qualified as an evaluator of absolute
intelligence says a lot to me about who I think you are and what I
think I could and could not successfully communicate to you.

I've done enough coding to know that I'm much better at some tasks
than at others. Writing an OS would not be a good use of my time.

I worded something in a way so that you and Jan and perhaps others
took it in a way that I did not intend. You and Jan have adopted a
tone of such a nature that it is impossible to try to fix it.

Not everyone thinks the same way or has the same ideas at the same
time. That's all I meant by "if you grasped."

If you want to object to something technical that I've said, feel
free. If you want to attack my personality, it isn't exactly true
that there is nothing I can do to stop you, but I'm not going to waste
my time.

Robert.

Sylvia Else wrote:
>> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2342869,00.asp
>
> "You should also note that almost all of the newest hardware coming out
> has Linux support."
>
> I think that's overstating it, and figuring out whether the hardware one
> intends to buy is supported can be a tortuous process. Life is not made
> any easier by the fact that some manufacturers will completely change
> the design of a board and just change the revision number.
>
> Sylvia.

Which is why I think getting a linux laptop pre-configured with all of
the right hardware is probably the way things are going to go. The OEM
would include only hardware that had drivers in Linux already. Despite
Windows' true claim to be the best supported OS in terms of drivers,
most people rarely add things to Windows beyond simple USB storage
devices. If you get a laptop which includes bluetooth, a webcam,
built-in, you probably never need to add anything else into it. People
will use that as is, till it's time to replace the laptop.

Yousuf Khan