Finding Files

I've recently upgraded from 10.3.9 to 10.4.9, and have found myself
growing increasingly annoyed with the spawn-of-satan-masquerading-as-
software more commonly known as 'spotlight'. Is there any way to
completely excorcize this 'feature' from my system while retaining the
file->find menu item in the Finder?

Also, what perverse rationale would have caused apple to assign to
spotlight a default keyboard shortcut (cmd-space) which has had a
reserved system function since OS 7 and, judging from the international
prefs *continues* to have that function in Tiger?

André

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In article <030620072044313338%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca>,
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

> In article <ymir-1D7E89.19204503062007@shawnews>, Ymir
> <> wrote:
>
> > I've recently upgraded from 10.3.9 to 10.4.9, and have found myself
> > growing increasingly annoyed with the spawn-of-satan-masquerading-as-
> > software more commonly known as 'spotlight'. Is there any way to
> > completely excorcize this 'feature' from my system while retaining the
> > file->find menu item in the Finder?
>
> No.
>
> > Also, what perverse rationale would have caused apple to assign to
> > spotlight a default keyboard shortcut (cmd-space) which has had a
> > reserved system function since OS 7 and, judging from the international
> > prefs *continues* to have that function in Tiger?
>
> Apple hates you.

And it sucks to be Ymir...

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In article <030620072044313338%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca>,
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

> In article <ymir-1D7E89.19204503062007@shawnews>, Ymir
> <> wrote:
>
> > I've recently upgraded from 10.3.9 to 10.4.9, and have found myself
> > growing increasingly annoyed with the spawn-of-satan-masquerading-as-
> > software more commonly known as 'spotlight'. Is there any way to
> > completely excorcize this 'feature' from my system while retaining the
> > file->find menu item in the Finder?
>
> No.
>
> > Also, what perverse rationale would have caused apple to assign to
> > spotlight a default keyboard shortcut (cmd-space) which has had a
> > reserved system function since OS 7 and, judging from the international
> > prefs *continues* to have that function in Tiger?
>
> Apple hates you.

OK, That makes sense. I will sleep easier now.

André

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Ymir wrote:
> I've recently upgraded from 10.3.9 to 10.4.9, and have found myself
> growing increasingly annoyed with the spawn-of-satan-masquerading-as-
> software more commonly known as 'spotlight'. Is there any way to
> completely excorcize this 'feature' from my system while retaining the
> file->find menu item in the Finder?
>
YMMV. Spotlight has always worked well for me, and continue to work
well for others. Try to find something on Windows XP and then come
complain to me about Spotlight.

However, there will always be problems with some features under the
right circumstances. There are all sorts of hints here and elsewhere on
tweaking Spotlight if it gets confused.

> Also, what perverse rationale would have caused apple to assign to
> spotlight a default keyboard shortcut (cmd-space) which has had a
> reserved system function since OS 7 and, judging from the international
> prefs *continues* to have that function in Tiger?
>
There was a collision between the shortcut that chose a different
keyboard layout and Spotlight, leading Spotlight to take a modified
shortcut on those accounts where the keyboard layout hotkey was already
enabled.

Not sure of the System 7 shortcut you mention, but since System 7 is
long dead I have no problem with either of these shortcuts continuing to
be available for use by OS X features.
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In article <sYW8i.11798$!nnrp1.uunet.c a>,
Clever Monkey <> wrote:

> There was a collision between the shortcut that chose a different
> keyboard layout and Spotlight, leading Spotlight to take a modified
> shortcut on those accounts where the keyboard layout hotkey was already
> enabled.

> Not sure of the System 7 shortcut you mention, but since System 7 is
> long dead I have no problem with either of these shortcuts continuing to
> be available for use by OS X features.

I'm actually talking about the same shortcut here -- cmd-space has been
the shortcut for rotating keyboard layouts since system 7, but it
doesn't appear on my system that this collision has actually been
rectified as you suggest.

When I open the international prefs, it lists cmd-space as the shortcut
for choosing the previous keyboard layout, but this is dimmed out with a
yellow warning triangle next to it, presumably indicating that the
command is unavailable due to a conflict with spotlight.

Since tiger was loaded onto my system using an erase-and-install, and I
didn't transfer any settings from another system, I have to conclude
that this has been left as the default key command by apple, despite the
fact that it is also the default command for spotlight. Enabling
multiple input methods does not appear to have caused spotlight to adopt
a modified key command.

Now, obviously, this is rather easily fixed since I can just assign a
new keystroke to one of the two commands, but it seems to represent poor
planning on Apple's part. System 7 may be long dead, but this particular
keystroke has been a part of all subsequent releases of MacOS through
10.3. The introduction of a new feature shouldn't entail a spurious
break in consistency with earlier versions.

André

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On Jun 3, 2007, Ymir wrote:
> I've recently upgraded from 10.3.9 to 10.4.9, and have found myself
> growing increasingly annoyed with the spawn-of-satan-masquerading-as-
> software more commonly known as 'spotlight'. Is there any way to
> completely excorcize this 'feature' from my system while retaining the
> file->find menu item in the Finder?
>
> Also, what perverse rationale would have caused apple to assign to
> spotlight a default keyboard shortcut (cmd-space) which has had a
> reserved system function since OS 7 and, judging from the international
> prefs *continues* to have that function in Tiger?
>

Disable the Cmd+Space in the keyboard preference pane.

In article <sYW8i.11798$!nnrp1.uunet.c a>,
Clever Monkey <> wrote:

> Ymir wrote:
> > I've recently upgraded from 10.3.9 to 10.4.9, and have found myself
> > growing increasingly annoyed with the spawn-of-satan-masquerading-as-
> > software more commonly known as 'spotlight'. Is there any way to
> > completely excorcize this 'feature' from my system while retaining the
> > file->find menu item in the Finder?
> >
> YMMV. Spotlight has always worked well for me, and continue to work
> well for others. Try to find something on Windows XP and then come
> complain to me about Spotlight.

Spotlight sucks. This is an ancient issue (see any forum about hidden
files and restricted directories, for one thing).

I strongly recommend EasyFind. It's simple, intuitive, and fast.

There are various hacks to kill off Spotlight, so take a spin thru
MacOSXhints or similar forums.

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Ymir wrote:
> In article <sYW8i.11798$!nnrp1.uunet.c a>,
> Clever Monkey <> wrote:
>
>> There was a collision between the shortcut that chose a different
>> keyboard layout and Spotlight, leading Spotlight to take a modified
>> shortcut on those accounts where the keyboard layout hotkey was already
>> enabled.
>
>> Not sure of the System 7 shortcut you mention, but since System 7 is
>> long dead I have no problem with either of these shortcuts continuing to
>> be available for use by OS X features.
>
> I'm actually talking about the same shortcut here -- cmd-space has been
> the shortcut for rotating keyboard layouts since system 7, but it
> doesn't appear on my system that this collision has actually been
> rectified as you suggest.
>
> When I open the international prefs, it lists cmd-space as the shortcut
> for choosing the previous keyboard layout, but this is dimmed out with a
> yellow warning triangle next to it, presumably indicating that the
> command is unavailable due to a conflict with spotlight.
>
I've heard of this, but did not see it when I upgraded a few boxes where
I have the keyboard layout stuff enabled for my main login account. I
had to go and fix the shortcuts so they were the same across all my
machines, because the defaults that were chosen did not always match.

I'm not sure why Cmd-Space was overloaded as the default, but I suppose
they determined that Spotlight was enabled by default on all machines,
and is common across all accounts whereas keyboard layouts are a setup
option.

It also may be an artefact of the type of install or upgrade one does, I
suppose.

Easy to fix, but an annoyance.