Firewire enclosure for Sun Blade 1500?

In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>Hi,
>Jeff Wieland wrote:
>> We've got some spare 700GB SATA drives around that came out of a
>> disk array that was upgraded, and since I sometimes need large
>> amounts of disk space on my Sun Blade 1500, I was thinking about
>> ways to use one of them. Can anyone recommend a Firewire disk
>> enclosure that's known to work on a Sun Blade 1500 with Solaris?
>> I know that USB should work too, but I've seen some comments
>> that Firewire works better for this platform.
>> --
>> Jeff Wieland
>I have had trouble with Firewire disk a couple of years ago to Maxtor
>drives, but if the problem was on the Maxtor Firmware or Solaris I can't
>tell.
>
>Now I use LSILogic SAS/SATA HBA, works perfectly so I would really
>recommend adding that to your SB1500 inside the chassis, I have that on
>a Blade 2500 and a 1500, screwed to the bottom of the chassis, not
>cables or other stuff outside the WS.
>
>/michael

That would be fine if I had a free slot, but since this machine has a
SCSI card, a second framebuffer, and a SunVideo card, there isn't one.
Out of curiousity, what LSILogic adapter are you using?
--
Jeff Wieland

In article <3H7um.141892$2> ChrisQ <> writes:
>Jeff Wieland wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hear from someone who's used Firewire and/or USB 2.0 for disk
>> drives on SPARC Solaris 10.
>> --
>> Jeff Wieland
>
>Though it's not quite what you were asking for, have you considered a
>hardware sata to scsi converter and run scsi to the machine.
>
>May be mistaken, but still feel that usb and firewire (perhaps less so)
>are not quite ready for prime time in terms of data reliability, while
>scsi is a very well proven interface. This is from experience with
>windows, where you would expect the usb or firewire interfaces to be a
>most mature and well developed. Everything here runs scsi or fc and it
>just works...
>
>Regards,
>
>Chris

That's not a bad idea, esp. since this machine has one of the older
Qlogic dual-channel ultra-160 SCSI adapters in it. Yep -- I agree --
SCSI just works.

Of course the adapters look like they go for about $105 or so...
--
Jeff Wieland

Hi,

Jeff Wieland wrote:
> In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>> Hi,
>> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>>> We've got some spare 700GB SATA drives around that came out of a
>>> disk array that was upgraded, and since I sometimes need large
>>> amounts of disk space on my Sun Blade 1500, I was thinking about
>>> ways to use one of them. Can anyone recommend a Firewire disk
>>> enclosure that's known to work on a Sun Blade 1500 with Solaris?
>>> I know that USB should work too, but I've seen some comments
>>> that Firewire works better for this platform.
>>> --
>>> Jeff Wieland
>> I have had trouble with Firewire disk a couple of years ago to Maxtor
>> drives, but if the problem was on the Maxtor Firmware or Solaris I can't
>> tell.
>>
>> Now I use LSILogic SAS/SATA HBA, works perfectly so I would really
>> recommend adding that to your SB1500 inside the chassis, I have that on
>> a Blade 2500 and a 1500, screwed to the bottom of the chassis, not
>> cables or other stuff outside the WS.
>>
>> /michael
>
> That would be fine if I had a free slot, but since this machine has a
> SCSI card, a second framebuffer, and a SunVideo card, there isn't one.
> Out of curiousity, what LSILogic adapter are you using?
> --
> Jeff Wieland
LSI SAS3041X-R, it has 4 internal SAS/SATA interfaces so you can use any
kind of disk.

Why not drop the SCSI adapter in favor of this or do you have other
stuff that disks on that adapter? if not you can boot from the IDE drive
thats what I do since I havent managed to boot from the LSI HBA.

/michael

In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>Hi,
>
>Jeff Wieland wrote:
>> In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>>> Hi,
>>> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>>>> We've got some spare 700GB SATA drives around that came out of a
>>>> disk array that was upgraded, and since I sometimes need large
>>>> amounts of disk space on my Sun Blade 1500, I was thinking about
>>>> ways to use one of them. Can anyone recommend a Firewire disk
>>>> enclosure that's known to work on a Sun Blade 1500 with Solaris?
>>>> I know that USB should work too, but I've seen some comments
>>>> that Firewire works better for this platform.
>>>> --
>>>> Jeff Wieland
>>> I have had trouble with Firewire disk a couple of years ago to Maxtor
>>> drives, but if the problem was on the Maxtor Firmware or Solaris I can't
>>> tell.
>>>
>>> Now I use LSILogic SAS/SATA HBA, works perfectly so I would really
>>> recommend adding that to your SB1500 inside the chassis, I have that on
>>> a Blade 2500 and a 1500, screwed to the bottom of the chassis, not
>>> cables or other stuff outside the WS.
>>>
>>> /michael
>>
>> That would be fine if I had a free slot, but since this machine has a
>> SCSI card, a second framebuffer, and a SunVideo card, there isn't one.
>> Out of curiousity, what LSILogic adapter are you using?
>> --
>> Jeff Wieland
>LSI SAS3041X-R, it has 4 internal SAS/SATA interfaces so you can use any
>kind of disk.
>
>Why not drop the SCSI adapter in favor of this or do you have other
>stuff that disks on that adapter? if not you can boot from the IDE drive
>thats what I do since I havent managed to boot from the LSI HBA.
>
>/michael

Yeah -- it has a pair of SCSI tape drives on it.
--
Jeff Wieland

Hi,

Jeff Wieland wrote:
> In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>>> In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>>>>> We've got some spare 700GB SATA drives around that came out of a
>>>>> disk array that was upgraded, and since I sometimes need large
>>>>> amounts of disk space on my Sun Blade 1500, I was thinking about
>>>>> ways to use one of them. Can anyone recommend a Firewire disk
>>>>> enclosure that's known to work on a Sun Blade 1500 with Solaris?
>>>>> I know that USB should work too, but I've seen some comments
>>>>> that Firewire works better for this platform.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeff Wieland
>>>> I have had trouble with Firewire disk a couple of years ago to Maxtor
>>>> drives, but if the problem was on the Maxtor Firmware or Solaris I can't
>>>> tell.
>>>>
>>>> Now I use LSILogic SAS/SATA HBA, works perfectly so I would really
>>>> recommend adding that to your SB1500 inside the chassis, I have that on
>>>> a Blade 2500 and a 1500, screwed to the bottom of the chassis, not
>>>> cables or other stuff outside the WS.
>>>>
>>>> /michael
>>> That would be fine if I had a free slot, but since this machine has a
>>> SCSI card, a second framebuffer, and a SunVideo card, there isn't one.
>>> Out of curiousity, what LSILogic adapter are you using?
>>> --
>>> Jeff Wieland
>> LSI SAS3041X-R, it has 4 internal SAS/SATA interfaces so you can use any
>> kind of disk.
>>
>> Why not drop the SCSI adapter in favor of this or do you have other
>> stuff that disks on that adapter? if not you can boot from the IDE drive
>> thats what I do since I havent managed to boot from the LSI HBA.
>>
>> /michael
>
> Yeah -- it has a pair of SCSI tape drives on it.
> --
> Jeff Wieland
Ops, time for a new tape drive then or replace the framebuffer with a
dual display adapter, that must be cheapest and easiest!

/michael

In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>Hi,
>
>Jeff Wieland wrote:
>> In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>>>> In article <> Michael Laajanen <> writes:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>>>>>> We've got some spare 700GB SATA drives around that came out of a
>>>>>> disk array that was upgraded, and since I sometimes need large
>>>>>> amounts of disk space on my Sun Blade 1500, I was thinking about
>>>>>> ways to use one of them. Can anyone recommend a Firewire disk
>>>>>> enclosure that's known to work on a Sun Blade 1500 with Solaris?
>>>>>> I know that USB should work too, but I've seen some comments
>>>>>> that Firewire works better for this platform.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeff Wieland
>>>>> I have had trouble with Firewire disk a couple of years ago to Maxtor
>>>>> drives, but if the problem was on the Maxtor Firmware or Solaris I can't
>>>>> tell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I use LSILogic SAS/SATA HBA, works perfectly so I would really
>>>>> recommend adding that to your SB1500 inside the chassis, I have that on
>>>>> a Blade 2500 and a 1500, screwed to the bottom of the chassis, not
>>>>> cables or other stuff outside the WS.
>>>>>
>>>>> /michael
>>>> That would be fine if I had a free slot, but since this machine has a
>>>> SCSI card, a second framebuffer, and a SunVideo card, there isn't one.
>>>> Out of curiousity, what LSILogic adapter are you using?
>>>> --
>>>> Jeff Wieland
>>> LSI SAS3041X-R, it has 4 internal SAS/SATA interfaces so you can use any
>>> kind of disk.
>>>
>>> Why not drop the SCSI adapter in favor of this or do you have other
>>> stuff that disks on that adapter? if not you can boot from the IDE drive
>>> thats what I do since I havent managed to boot from the LSI HBA.
>>>
>>> /michael
>>
>> Yeah -- it has a pair of SCSI tape drives on it.
>> --
>> Jeff Wieland
>Ops, time for a new tape drive then or replace the framebuffer with a
>dual display adapter, that must be cheapest and easiest!
>
>/michael

It has two framebuffers, an XVR-100 and a Techsource GFX-450. They're
both dual-head, and each has two monitors. Three of these are 19"
LCD displays, and the 4th is a 17" that we got surplus from another
department. The GFX-450 used to be in a Sun Blade 150 BTW.

What I really need is more PCI slots :-)
--
Jeff Wieland

Jeff Wieland wrote:

>
> It has two framebuffers, an XVR-100 and a Techsource GFX-450. They're
> both dual-head, and each has two monitors. Three of these are 19"
> LCD displays, and the 4th is a 17" that we got surplus from another
> department. The GFX-450 used to be in a Sun Blade 150 BTW.
>
> What I really need is more PCI slots :-)
> --

The B1000 has onboard wide scsi and would assume the 1500 is the same ?.
Why don't you use that for the two tape drives at different scsi id's ?.
Assume system drives are fc and thus on a different i/f, like the 1000.
You shouldn't suffer from i/o bandwidth contention due to the tape
drives on the onboard scsi port. The cdrom drive may be on the onboard
port, but this is usually id 6 on sun boxes, so make the two tape drives
id 4 and 5.

Re our earlier discussion, a quick google found scsi to sata converters
on the web for around $79 each, though it looks like they only handle
one drive per card. Don't have the link handy now though...

Regards,

Chris

Hi,

ChrisQ wrote:
> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>
>>
>> It has two framebuffers, an XVR-100 and a Techsource GFX-450. They're
>> both dual-head, and each has two monitors. Three of these are 19"
>> LCD displays, and the 4th is a 17" that we got surplus from another
>> department. The GFX-450 used to be in a Sun Blade 150 BTW.
>>
>> What I really need is more PCI slots :-)
>> --
>
> The B1000 has onboard wide scsi and would assume the 1500 is the same ?.
> Why don't you use that for the two tape drives at different scsi id's ?.
> Assume system drives are fc and thus on a different i/f, like the 1000.
> You shouldn't suffer from i/o bandwidth contention due to the tape
> drives on the onboard scsi port. The cdrom drive may be on the onboard
> port, but this is usually id 6 on sun boxes, so make the two tape drives
> id 4 and 5.
>
> Re our earlier discussion, a quick google found scsi to sata converters
> on the web for around $79 each, though it looks like they only handle
> one drive per card. Don't have the link handy now though...
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
Blade 1500 is all IDE.

/michael