Hidden partition?

TP R51

In Disk Management, I see that the 40 GB internal HD has 2
partitions. One is labeled System C:, which I can see in Windows
Explorer, and the other is labeled Service V001, which is hidden in
WE.

The System C: partition is formatted NTFS with a capacity of 32.63GB.
The Service V001 hidden partition is fromatted FAT32 (EISA
Configuration) with a capacity of 4.62GB.

What is this hidden partition, what's in it, how did it get there and
do I need to keep it?

Could I create an image of it then delete it?

If I deleted it, would that get the 5GB it's occupying added to the C:
partition? If not, how would I do that?

If I cloned C:, would that hidden partition get cloned also?

Thanks.

On Sep 22, 12:00*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:47:41 -0700 (PDT), Teflon
> <spambaitmeis...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <d5b4808b-5b47-4613-b293-84fff4f33...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >TP R51
>
> >In Disk Management, I see that the 40 GB internal HD has 2
> >partitions. *One is labeled System C:, which I can see in Windows
> >Explorer, and the other is labeled Service V001, which is hidden in
> >WE.
>
> >The System C: partition is formatted NTFS with a capacity of 32.63GB.
> >The Service V001 hidden partition is fromatted FAT32 (EISA
> >Configuration) with a capacity of 4.62GB.
>
> >What is this hidden partition, what's in it, how did it get there and
> >do I need to keep it?
>
> It's restore and diagnostics, chiefly used to restore the system to the
> initial factory configuration.
>
> >Could I create an image of it then delete it?
>
> Yes.
>
> >If I deleted it, would that get the 5GB it's occupying added to the C:
> >partition? *If not, how would I do that?
>
> You would need repartitioning software, like Partition Magic.
>
> >If I cloned C:, would that hidden partition get cloned also?
>
> Depends on the software, but probably not.
>
> --
> Best regards, * *You are cordially invited to participate in the
> John * * * * * * official ThinkPad group news:comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad

When I clone my Dell using EaseUs or Aconis True Image the entire
drive is copied including the Dell partition.

bob_v

aaaah...maybe YOUR statement!

>> Depends on the software, but probably not.

bob_v

On Sep 23, 11:03*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:06:27 -0400, News <N...@Group.Name> wrote in
> <G96dncO86If6tifXnZ2dnUVZ_jJi4...@speakeasy.net> :
>
> >John Navas wrote:
> >> Not on my T30. *Admittedly that was some years ago. *Perhaps it's better
> >> now. *But I still personally wouldn't trust it, especially since
> >> ThinkVantage Rescue and Recovery does such a good job, is free, and
> >> supported by Lenovo.
>
> >I have never had any success whatsoever with RR and its predecessors.
>
> >YMMV.
>
> It does -- never had a problem with TR&R (as I have with so many other
> programs, including ATI) -- perhaps because I've been using the latest
> TR&R version, and carefully following directions.

John, back in April, I recall getting a message from Lenovo, when my
system hung while I was trying to use TV System Update, saying that
app was dead and Lenovo was going to be offering a different way to
update the TV apps. The message said the new way was supposed to be
available in May. I haven't heard anything since. How and where did
you get the latest version of TR&R, and updates for all the rest of
the TV apps?

Also, was that an affirmative on it being safe to delete the 'Service'
partition? What's in it?

On Sep 24, 1:47*pm, Teflon <spambaitmeis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:03*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Also, was that an affirmative on it being safe to delete the 'Service'
> partition? *What's in it?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Just a p.s. to my question. I did install Acronis True Image and
successfully created an image of both the System partition and the
Service partition on an external HD.

Question, does TR&R essentially produce images, like ATI, or does it
produce Restore Points, like XP?

Never did understand the difference between what R&R (or ATI) creates
and Restore Points. Anyone care to explain?

On Sep 24, 3:41*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>
> The System Update service was restored by early June, has worked since
> then, and can be used for updates to ThinkPads apps, including TR&R.
> <http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/TVSU-UPDATE.html>
>

OK John, got it installed, updated my system and did several
rechecks. There seems to be a problem with a 'Critical' patch for
R&R.

Installed updates shows that 'R&R Critical Patch for Windows Update
(KB917422)' as being installed, yet every time I search for updates,
there it is again, demanding to be installed. Seems to be a problem
someplace.

Is it my system, or is the problem on Lenovo's end?

>If you want to be sure a backup will work reliably and as intended, disk
imaging is the ONLY way to go.

Period.

Full stop.


So...if I clone to a USB drive-1 and drive 0 fails...I don't have a
reliable replacement?
(Is "Full Stop" an oxy-moron?)

bob_v

On Sep 26, 9:15*am, Not Me <Not...@Home.Base> wrote:
> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> If you want to be sure a backup will work reliably and as intended, disk
> > imaging is the ONLY way to go.
>
> > Period.
>
> > Full stop.
>
> > So...if I clone to a USB drive-1 and drive 0 fails...I don't have a
> > reliable replacement?
> > (Is "Full Stop" an oxy-moron?)
>
> > bob_v
>
> Imaging is cloning.
>
> Boot from the USB or replace the failed drive with the imaged drive.

Simply put...cloning is an exact copy sector for sector of the source
drive...imaging is not!

bob_v