HP Business Inkjet 1200d 1200DN, 2800dtn, Officejet 9110

Hi there,

I wanted to ask, since all of the above HP printers seems to share the
same print engine,
(with separate print heads and cartridges) when the print heads (And
cartridges) have run down, does the driver stop you from printing, or
does it merely warn you? or does it behave differently for the heads
and cartridges?
I'm especially interested in the Heads behaviour. (I want to use this
printer for high volumes 50% average coverage)


thanks

Depending on the volume, in pages per month, you may be better off with a color
LaserJet (or other brand of color laser)... Ben Myers

On 1 Dec 2005 19:30:58 -0800, wrote:

>
>
>Hi there,
>
>I wanted to ask, since all of the above HP printers seems to share the
>same print engine,
>(with separate print heads and cartridges) when the print heads (And
>cartridges) have run down, does the driver stop you from printing, or
>does it merely warn you? or does it behave differently for the heads
>and cartridges?
>I'm especially interested in the Heads behaviour. (I want to use this
>printer for high volumes 50% average coverage)
>
>
>thanks
>

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>
> I wanted to ask, since all of the above HP printers seems to share the
> same print engine,
> (with separate print heads and cartridges) when the print heads (And
> cartridges) have run down, does the driver stop you from printing, or
> does it merely warn you? or does it behave differently for the heads
> and cartridges?
> I'm especially interested in the Heads behaviour. (I want to use this
> printer for high volumes 50% average coverage)

The printers will stop printing, if it finds a faulty/worn out printhead/ink
tank. Altough they are relatively cheap on consumables, they are not hassle
free to use. The annoying paper tray alone on the 1200 and 9100 series would
make me look for something else - especially with high volume printing. I'd
highly recommend a Color Laserjet instead. We have some customers, who
initially opted for the cheap 1100/1200 series, but quickly exchanged it for
3500 series printers (these are soon being replaced by the 3600 series). The
BI2800 seems a lot more sturdier, and would in many cases be a sufficient
A3-printer. A3 Color Laserjets are a lot more expensive.

As to all-in-one printing, I am curious as to whether there is something
between CLJ2840 and 4730 on the way. I find the 2840 a too noisy and slow
(b/w copying and scanning isn't all that great either) for real office use,
and for many customers the 4730 is too big a solution.

--
Esben

thank you for your feedback! finally someone dares to comment on this
subject, I posted numerous times on the HP business support forums
regarding experiences with HP 9100 Officejet series and got no
response, which I didn't know how to interpret (otherwise their forums
are teeming with life).

curiously enough, according to my calculations, the 91xx series / 1200
Inkjets from HP would be cheaper than some of the HP color lasers,
notably the Color Laserjet 3550. Why?
well firstly, because I have factored in the costs of drum and laser
element replacement (also called "fuser and transfer kit" in HP jargon)
by my 50% coverage rate for color, which according to my logic should
cause 10 times more frequent maintenance costs than when printing at
the manufacturer's estimates of 5% coverage. Because of this, even when
using original HP cartridges and factoring in the Inkjet's own
maintenance cost (replacement heads), the Officejet turns out to be
about $425 cheaper to maintain per year. I did not calculate costs for
the new LaserJet 3600/3800 series because their official HP spec pages
do not mention any costs per page, they only state the cost of color
cartridges (no fuser/transfer kits are mentioned). I have not heard yet
of a Laser printer that can work indefinately with only toner
replacement, so I am waiting to see whether this is a misprint or a new
bit of technology. In any case, there is still the black/white
composite printing problem (see below). When I searched for
"Laserjet 3600" "cents per page" color
"Laserjet 3800" "cents per page" color
in Google it found nothing at all- incredible!

My b/w printing is about 25,000 per year, and the color is about 5000
per year. color coverage is 50% on average; black- 15%.

Furthermore, I am looking into using the continuous inking system
especially designed to the 9100 series from
http://www.inkbags.com/hpofficejet9100.htm
it holds 5 times the ink for $340 (black and all the colors), with that
in mind, the color laserjet's aren't necessarily more economical.

I have read that color lasers (I don't remember which manufacturer this
related to) are sometimes (depending on their implementation of color
laser technology) more expensive for black/white printing than their
monochrome brothers, because they use composite black instead of true
black- i.e. they mix the three colors instead of using the black
cartridge, it just sits there.
Last month I realized that my printer (HP Officejet G85 multifunction)
also uses composite black
instead of cheaper true black when printing photos in black and white,
even when I specifically tell it to print in black and white. Furious
about this situation, which I find a challenge to describe in civilized
forum language, (is there a law that says the printer should print in
black when so told?), I switched to an older printer driver (deskjet
850C) which still doesn't have this "Feature" and prints in true black
when so instructed.

With these parameters, taking in the manufacturer's claimed cost per
page and cartridge/toner cost, color lasers aren't necessarily cheaper
to run, especially when you consider that with my inkjet, which would
willingly chew even a torn piece of paper picked off the street
(exaggarating of course) I can recycle used paper and print on its
other side as well. Laser printers don't allow this since the pages
band with the heat after inserted once.

I know they can do duplex. (That is not exactly the same as the ability
to recycle paper- not all papers in the office come from printers)

And, when I looked in HP's specifications for its newest Laser printers
(the 3800 and 3600 series) it does not include estimates

Currently I use recycled 3rd party cartridges, which admittedly aren't
(on the whole) much cheaper than buying original HP ones, (the 3rd
party cartridges I tried, and those were from many manufacturers, cost
half than HP but on average also print half the yield); but at least
this way I have the moral satisfaction of not participating in this
intolerable subsidy of one of HP's largest income sources and their
research on how to expand it further on my expense.
I'd even pay more to not be part of it, its worth something for me.

by the way, my calculations show the HP LaserJet 3550 costs to be 35.3
cents per 50% coverage color page, and 8.35 cents for a 15% b/w page.
The officejet 9110 turns out to
have 27.2 cents and 8.8 cents in the same coverages, respectively. Both
include all maintenance costs (drums etc). When using the 3rd party
9110 continuous inking system mentioned, color costs drop to nearly
half. (but I haven't used it yet).
For my existing Officejet G85 the costs are 25.4 and 11.5, but I use
third party cartridges (in my opinion the difference in cost to
original cartridges isn't overwhelming, when printing in large quantity
and considering the annual leakage breakdown that my $400 printer
sufferes by them).

When I calculate for 5% coverage in the 9110 formulas I get similar
costs to the official HP estimates, which shows that my calculations
are realistic (as long as the HP yield estimates are).

Note: These are only my theoretic estimates based on Froogle's prices
for consumables (including shipping and VAT, which is 17% for me) and
HP's page yield estimates, multiplied by my average usage coverage.