IS7E Realtek LAN non-working

Not happy to hear this, Tom. OTOH, isn't the AI7 using a different Realtek
LAN chipset? Or was that the on board sound elctronics that's using a
different set from previous Abit boards?

TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
news:wZEzb.35076$_h.22840@lakeread02...
> I hate to say it, but from what I have seen, there *have* been quite a few
> bad reports. However, I was using the onboard gigabit NIC on my IC7-G,
> which is not RealTeK by the way, and I had problems with that as well.
> stuck in a $20 Intel chip based NIC and no problems! I'm using the
onboard
> NIC on my IS7-G which is 3COM and that is working fine. for all I know,
the
> problem with my IC7-G NIC could have been driver related but I don't think
> so since it kept saying it was receiving bad packets.
>
> onboard components seem to be of marginal quality and they either work but
> work at the "it's *okay*" level or they cause a problem. I have never
seen
> an onboard component in the video, sound, or LAN category, that was
> something that I came back from using and said "wow!" I have come to look
> at those types of devices as fluff and am always prepared to build out a
> system with an add-in component on hand.
>
> --
>
> Thomas Geery
> Network+ certified
>
> ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> over 120,000 FTP users served!
> ^^^^^^^
>
>
>
>
> "Tony" <> wrote in message
> news:y-qdnShaiOLsF1OiRVn-...
> > Tom, you've been around here awhile (g). In general, do you have any
> opinion
> > on the Abit Realtek on-board LAN implementation? I've seen a few of
these
> > unhappy reports.
> >
> > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:FXnzb.32780$_h.28002@lakeread02...
> > > got it... thanks!
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Thomas Geery
> > > Network+ certified
> > >
> > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > ^^^^^^^
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Amir Facade" <> wrote in message
> > > news:...
> > > > windialog-8139(128).zip
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "TomG" <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:05%yb.29944$_h.11292@lakeread02...
> > > > > of course, the features need to function. I could not agree more.
> > what
> > > > is
> > > > > the name of the app you used for testing? I'd like to put that on
> my
> > > FTP
> > > > > server...
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > >
> > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > over 118,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cecilio" <> wrote in message
> > > > > news:tmYyb.1550892$ s...
> > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've found also a test and diagnostics program under Windows on
> the
> > > > > Realtek
> > > > > > Web page. It is on the Others section of the Download drivers
for
> > the
> > > > 8139
> > > > > > Series.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've tested the card and shows lots of failures on the link
phase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know I can put a cheap NIC to solve the problem (thanks Tom)
but
> > > from
> > > > my
> > > > > > point of view we, as customers, shall oblige the manufacturers
to
> > > > deliver
> > > > > > products with all the features functioning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've decided to change both mb by ASUS P4P800.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will tell you the final result.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks anyway for your help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
> > > > His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.
> > > > That's $20 million for memories from two people who for eight years
> > > > repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember
> anything.
> > > > God Bless America!
> > > >
> > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/2003
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

The AI7-G, which I have not seen, has a gigabit controller on it. Not sure
of the flavor. The AI7, has a RealTek 8100C 10/100 NIC, looking at it as I
type. according to the manual, it also has the AC97 audio set on it.

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified

ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
over 120,000 FTP users served!
^^^^^^^




"Tony" <> wrote in message
news:CZydnQuqF87qRlKiRVn-...
> Not happy to hear this, Tom. OTOH, isn't the AI7 using a different Realtek
> LAN chipset? Or was that the on board sound elctronics that's using a
> different set from previous Abit boards?
>
> TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:wZEzb.35076$_h.22840@lakeread02...
> > I hate to say it, but from what I have seen, there *have* been quite a
few
> > bad reports. However, I was using the onboard gigabit NIC on my IC7-G,
> > which is not RealTeK by the way, and I had problems with that as well.
> > stuck in a $20 Intel chip based NIC and no problems! I'm using the
> onboard
> > NIC on my IS7-G which is 3COM and that is working fine. for all I know,
> the
> > problem with my IC7-G NIC could have been driver related but I don't
think
> > so since it kept saying it was receiving bad packets.
> >
> > onboard components seem to be of marginal quality and they either work
but
> > work at the "it's *okay*" level or they cause a problem. I have never
> seen
> > an onboard component in the video, sound, or LAN category, that was
> > something that I came back from using and said "wow!" I have come to
look
> > at those types of devices as fluff and am always prepared to build out a
> > system with an add-in component on hand.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thomas Geery
> > Network+ certified
> >
> > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > ^^^^^^^
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > news:y-qdnShaiOLsF1OiRVn-...
> > > Tom, you've been around here awhile (g). In general, do you have any
> > opinion
> > > on the Abit Realtek on-board LAN implementation? I've seen a few of
> these
> > > unhappy reports.
> > >
> > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:FXnzb.32780$_h.28002@lakeread02...
> > > > got it... thanks!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > Network+ certified
> > > >
> > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Amir Facade" <> wrote in message
> > > > news:...
> > > > > windialog-8139(128).zip
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "TomG" <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:05%yb.29944$_h.11292@lakeread02...
> > > > > > of course, the features need to function. I could not agree
more.
> > > what
> > > > > is
> > > > > > the name of the app you used for testing? I'd like to put that
on
> > my
> > > > FTP
> > > > > > server...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > over 118,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cecilio" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:tmYyb.1550892$ s...
> > > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've found also a test and diagnostics program under Windows
on
> > the
> > > > > > Realtek
> > > > > > > Web page. It is on the Others section of the Download drivers
> for
> > > the
> > > > > 8139
> > > > > > > Series.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've tested the card and shows lots of failures on the link
> phase.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know I can put a cheap NIC to solve the problem (thanks Tom)
> but
> > > > from
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > point of view we, as customers, shall oblige the manufacturers
> to
> > > > > deliver
> > > > > > > products with all the features functioning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've decided to change both mb by ASUS P4P800.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will tell you the final result.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks anyway for your help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
> > > > > His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.
> > > > > That's $20 million for memories from two people who for eight
years
> > > > > repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember
> > anything.
> > > > > God Bless America!
> > > > >
> > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/2003
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Have you done any testing to see if the AI7 has the same kind of high
percentage of fragged packets as some of the other Abit boards?

TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
news:IkRzb.35983$_h.32007@lakeread02...
> The AI7-G, which I have not seen, has a gigabit controller on it. Not
sure
> of the flavor. The AI7, has a RealTek 8100C 10/100 NIC, looking at it as
I
> type. according to the manual, it also has the AC97 audio set on it.
>
> --
>
> Thomas Geery
> Network+ certified
>
> ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> over 120,000 FTP users served!
> ^^^^^^^
>
>
>
>
> "Tony" <> wrote in message
> news:CZydnQuqF87qRlKiRVn-...
> > Not happy to hear this, Tom. OTOH, isn't the AI7 using a different
Realtek
> > LAN chipset? Or was that the on board sound elctronics that's using a
> > different set from previous Abit boards?
> >
> > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:wZEzb.35076$_h.22840@lakeread02...
> > > I hate to say it, but from what I have seen, there *have* been quite a
> few
> > > bad reports. However, I was using the onboard gigabit NIC on my
IC7-G,
> > > which is not RealTeK by the way, and I had problems with that as well.
> > > stuck in a $20 Intel chip based NIC and no problems! I'm using the
> > onboard
> > > NIC on my IS7-G which is 3COM and that is working fine. for all I
know,
> > the
> > > problem with my IC7-G NIC could have been driver related but I don't
> think
> > > so since it kept saying it was receiving bad packets.
> > >
> > > onboard components seem to be of marginal quality and they either work
> but
> > > work at the "it's *okay*" level or they cause a problem. I have never
> > seen
> > > an onboard component in the video, sound, or LAN category, that was
> > > something that I came back from using and said "wow!" I have come to
> look
> > > at those types of devices as fluff and am always prepared to build out
a
> > > system with an add-in component on hand.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Thomas Geery
> > > Network+ certified
> > >
> > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > ^^^^^^^
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > news:y-qdnShaiOLsF1OiRVn-...
> > > > Tom, you've been around here awhile (g). In general, do you have any
> > > opinion
> > > > on the Abit Realtek on-board LAN implementation? I've seen a few of
> > these
> > > > unhappy reports.
> > > >
> > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:FXnzb.32780$_h.28002@lakeread02...
> > > > > got it... thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > >
> > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Amir Facade" <> wrote in message
> > > > > news:...
> > > > > > windialog-8139(128).zip
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "TomG" <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:05%yb.29944$_h.11292@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > of course, the features need to function. I could not agree
> more.
> > > > what
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > the name of the app you used for testing? I'd like to put
that
> on
> > > my
> > > > > FTP
> > > > > > > server...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > over 118,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Cecilio" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:tmYyb.1550892$ s...
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've found also a test and diagnostics program under Windows
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > > Realtek
> > > > > > > > Web page. It is on the Others section of the Download
drivers
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > 8139
> > > > > > > > Series.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've tested the card and shows lots of failures on the link
> > phase.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know I can put a cheap NIC to solve the problem (thanks
Tom)
> > but
> > > > > from
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > point of view we, as customers, shall oblige the
manufacturers
> > to
> > > > > > deliver
> > > > > > > > products with all the features functioning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've decided to change both mb by ASUS P4P800.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I will tell you the final result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks anyway for your help.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
> > > > > > His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.
> > > > > > That's $20 million for memories from two people who for eight
> years
> > > > > > repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember
> > > anything.
> > > > > > God Bless America!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > > > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date:
11/27/2003
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

no, I don't have the AI7 online as yet due to lack of parts...

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified

ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
over 120,000 FTP users served!
^^^^^^^




"Tony" <> wrote in message
news:fu-...
> Have you done any testing to see if the AI7 has the same kind of high
> percentage of fragged packets as some of the other Abit boards?
>
> TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:IkRzb.35983$_h.32007@lakeread02...
> > The AI7-G, which I have not seen, has a gigabit controller on it. Not
> sure
> > of the flavor. The AI7, has a RealTek 8100C 10/100 NIC, looking at it
as
> I
> > type. according to the manual, it also has the AC97 audio set on it.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thomas Geery
> > Network+ certified
> >
> > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > ^^^^^^^
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > news:CZydnQuqF87qRlKiRVn-...
> > > Not happy to hear this, Tom. OTOH, isn't the AI7 using a different
> Realtek
> > > LAN chipset? Or was that the on board sound elctronics that's using a
> > > different set from previous Abit boards?
> > >
> > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:wZEzb.35076$_h.22840@lakeread02...
> > > > I hate to say it, but from what I have seen, there *have* been quite
a
> > few
> > > > bad reports. However, I was using the onboard gigabit NIC on my
> IC7-G,
> > > > which is not RealTeK by the way, and I had problems with that as
well.
> > > > stuck in a $20 Intel chip based NIC and no problems! I'm using the
> > > onboard
> > > > NIC on my IS7-G which is 3COM and that is working fine. for all I
> know,
> > > the
> > > > problem with my IC7-G NIC could have been driver related but I don't
> > think
> > > > so since it kept saying it was receiving bad packets.
> > > >
> > > > onboard components seem to be of marginal quality and they either
work
> > but
> > > > work at the "it's *okay*" level or they cause a problem. I have
never
> > > seen
> > > > an onboard component in the video, sound, or LAN category, that was
> > > > something that I came back from using and said "wow!" I have come
to
> > look
> > > > at those types of devices as fluff and am always prepared to build
out
> a
> > > > system with an add-in component on hand.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > Network+ certified
> > > >
> > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > > news:y-qdnShaiOLsF1OiRVn-...
> > > > > Tom, you've been around here awhile (g). In general, do you have
any
> > > > opinion
> > > > > on the Abit Realtek on-board LAN implementation? I've seen a few
of
> > > these
> > > > > unhappy reports.
> > > > >
> > > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:FXnzb.32780$_h.28002@lakeread02...
> > > > > > got it... thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Amir Facade" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:...
> > > > > > > windialog-8139(128).zip
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "TomG" <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:05%yb.29944$_h.11292@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > > of course, the features need to function. I could not agree
> > more.
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the name of the app you used for testing? I'd like to put
> that
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > > FTP
> > > > > > > > server...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > > over 118,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Cecilio" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:tmYyb.1550892$ s...
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've found also a test and diagnostics program under
Windows
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Realtek
> > > > > > > > > Web page. It is on the Others section of the Download
> drivers
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > 8139
> > > > > > > > > Series.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've tested the card and shows lots of failures on the
link
> > > phase.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I can put a cheap NIC to solve the problem (thanks
> Tom)
> > > but
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > point of view we, as customers, shall oblige the
> manufacturers
> > > to
> > > > > > > deliver
> > > > > > > > > products with all the features functioning.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've decided to change both mb by ASUS P4P800.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I will tell you the final result.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks anyway for your help.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
> > > > > > > His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.
> > > > > > > That's $20 million for memories from two people who for eight
> > years
> > > > > > > repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember
> > > > anything.
> > > > > > > God Bless America!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > > > > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date:
> 11/27/2003
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Well, I may be able to add my observations, as my AI7 system should be
together by mid-week (I hope). What the utility-of-choice for measuring this
kind of LAN stuff?

TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
news:QI8Ab.37290$_h.27353@lakeread02...
> no, I don't have the AI7 online as yet due to lack of parts...
>
> --
>
> Thomas Geery
> Network+ certified
>
> ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> over 120,000 FTP users served!
> ^^^^^^^
>
>
>
>
> "Tony" <> wrote in message
> news:fu-...
> > Have you done any testing to see if the AI7 has the same kind of high
> > percentage of fragged packets as some of the other Abit boards?
> >
> > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:IkRzb.35983$_h.32007@lakeread02...
> > > The AI7-G, which I have not seen, has a gigabit controller on it. Not
> > sure
> > > of the flavor. The AI7, has a RealTek 8100C 10/100 NIC, looking at it
> as
> > I
> > > type. according to the manual, it also has the AC97 audio set on it.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Thomas Geery
> > > Network+ certified
> > >
> > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > ^^^^^^^
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > news:CZydnQuqF87qRlKiRVn-...
> > > > Not happy to hear this, Tom. OTOH, isn't the AI7 using a different
> > Realtek
> > > > LAN chipset? Or was that the on board sound elctronics that's using
a
> > > > different set from previous Abit boards?
> > > >
> > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:wZEzb.35076$_h.22840@lakeread02...
> > > > > I hate to say it, but from what I have seen, there *have* been
quite
> a
> > > few
> > > > > bad reports. However, I was using the onboard gigabit NIC on my
> > IC7-G,
> > > > > which is not RealTeK by the way, and I had problems with that as
> well.
> > > > > stuck in a $20 Intel chip based NIC and no problems! I'm using
the
> > > > onboard
> > > > > NIC on my IS7-G which is 3COM and that is working fine. for all I
> > know,
> > > > the
> > > > > problem with my IC7-G NIC could have been driver related but I
don't
> > > think
> > > > > so since it kept saying it was receiving bad packets.
> > > > >
> > > > > onboard components seem to be of marginal quality and they either
> work
> > > but
> > > > > work at the "it's *okay*" level or they cause a problem. I have
> never
> > > > seen
> > > > > an onboard component in the video, sound, or LAN category, that
was
> > > > > something that I came back from using and said "wow!" I have come
> to
> > > look
> > > > > at those types of devices as fluff and am always prepared to build
> out
> > a
> > > > > system with an add-in component on hand.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > >
> > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > > > news:y-qdnShaiOLsF1OiRVn-...
> > > > > > Tom, you've been around here awhile (g). In general, do you have
> any
> > > > > opinion
> > > > > > on the Abit Realtek on-board LAN implementation? I've seen a few
> of
> > > > these
> > > > > > unhappy reports.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:FXnzb.32780$_h.28002@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > got it... thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Amir Facade" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:...
> > > > > > > > windialog-8139(128).zip
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "TomG" <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:05%yb.29944$_h.11292@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > > > of course, the features need to function. I could not
agree
> > > more.
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > the name of the app you used for testing? I'd like to put
> > that
> > > on
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > FTP
> > > > > > > > > server...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > > > over 118,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Cecilio" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:tmYyb.1550892$ s...
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've found also a test and diagnostics program under
> Windows
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Realtek
> > > > > > > > > > Web page. It is on the Others section of the Download
> > drivers
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > 8139
> > > > > > > > > > Series.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've tested the card and shows lots of failures on the
> link
> > > > phase.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I know I can put a cheap NIC to solve the problem
(thanks
> > Tom)
> > > > but
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > point of view we, as customers, shall oblige the
> > manufacturers
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > deliver
> > > > > > > > > > products with all the features functioning.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've decided to change both mb by ASUS P4P800.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I will tell you the final result.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks anyway for your help.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
> > > > > > > > His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.
> > > > > > > > That's $20 million for memories from two people who for
eight
> > > years
> > > > > > > > repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't
remember
> > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > God Bless America!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date:
> > 11/27/2003
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

RealTek has a utility for diagnosing the NIC available on their site or I
have a copy under /drivers/IS7. It may be under IS7 but it is the same NIC
so it will work of other RealTek based NIC's.

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified

ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
over 120,000 FTP users served!
^^^^^^^




"Tony" <> wrote in message
news:1OudnfKAsLQKcUyiRVn-...
> Well, I may be able to add my observations, as my AI7 system should be
> together by mid-week (I hope). What the utility-of-choice for measuring
this
> kind of LAN stuff?
>
> TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:QI8Ab.37290$_h.27353@lakeread02...
> > no, I don't have the AI7 online as yet due to lack of parts...
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thomas Geery
> > Network+ certified
> >
> > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > ^^^^^^^
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > news:fu-...
> > > Have you done any testing to see if the AI7 has the same kind of high
> > > percentage of fragged packets as some of the other Abit boards?
> > >
> > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:IkRzb.35983$_h.32007@lakeread02...
> > > > The AI7-G, which I have not seen, has a gigabit controller on it.
Not
> > > sure
> > > > of the flavor. The AI7, has a RealTek 8100C 10/100 NIC, looking at
it
> > as
> > > I
> > > > type. according to the manual, it also has the AC97 audio set on
it.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > Network+ certified
> > > >
> > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > > news:CZydnQuqF87qRlKiRVn-...
> > > > > Not happy to hear this, Tom. OTOH, isn't the AI7 using a different
> > > Realtek
> > > > > LAN chipset? Or was that the on board sound elctronics that's
using
> a
> > > > > different set from previous Abit boards?
> > > > >
> > > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:wZEzb.35076$_h.22840@lakeread02...
> > > > > > I hate to say it, but from what I have seen, there *have* been
> quite
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > > bad reports. However, I was using the onboard gigabit NIC on my
> > > IC7-G,
> > > > > > which is not RealTeK by the way, and I had problems with that as
> > well.
> > > > > > stuck in a $20 Intel chip based NIC and no problems! I'm using
> the
> > > > > onboard
> > > > > > NIC on my IS7-G which is 3COM and that is working fine. for all
I
> > > know,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > problem with my IC7-G NIC could have been driver related but I
> don't
> > > > think
> > > > > > so since it kept saying it was receiving bad packets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > onboard components seem to be of marginal quality and they
either
> > work
> > > > but
> > > > > > work at the "it's *okay*" level or they cause a problem. I have
> > never
> > > > > seen
> > > > > > an onboard component in the video, sound, or LAN category, that
> was
> > > > > > something that I came back from using and said "wow!" I have
come
> > to
> > > > look
> > > > > > at those types of devices as fluff and am always prepared to
build
> > out
> > > a
> > > > > > system with an add-in component on hand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:y-qdnShaiOLsF1OiRVn-...
> > > > > > > Tom, you've been around here awhile (g). In general, do you
have
> > any
> > > > > > opinion
> > > > > > > on the Abit Realtek on-board LAN implementation? I've seen a
few
> > of
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > unhappy reports.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:FXnzb.32780$_h.28002@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > > got it... thanks!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Amir Facade" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:...
> > > > > > > > > windialog-8139(128).zip
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "TomG" <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:05%yb.29944$_h.11292@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > > > > of course, the features need to function. I could not
> agree
> > > > more.
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > the name of the app you used for testing? I'd like to
put
> > > that
> > > > on
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > FTP
> > > > > > > > > > server...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > > > > over 118,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Cecilio" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:tmYyb.1550892$ s...
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've found also a test and diagnostics program under
> > Windows
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Realtek
> > > > > > > > > > > Web page. It is on the Others section of the Download
> > > drivers
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 8139
> > > > > > > > > > > Series.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've tested the card and shows lots of failures on the
> > link
> > > > > phase.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I know I can put a cheap NIC to solve the problem
> (thanks
> > > Tom)
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > point of view we, as customers, shall oblige the
> > > manufacturers
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > deliver
> > > > > > > > > > > products with all the features functioning.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've decided to change both mb by ASUS P4P800.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I will tell you the final result.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks anyway for your help.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
> > > > > > > > > His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.
> > > > > > > > > That's $20 million for memories from two people who for
> eight
> > > > years
> > > > > > > > > repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't
> remember
> > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > > God Bless America!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date:
> > > 11/27/2003
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:41:19 -0500, "Tony" <> wrote:

>> Okay Tom. I'll post my results as soon as I get evrything up and running.

Since it's already 2008 where you're at, we won't hold our breath for
the answer.

Okay Tom. I'll post my results as soon as I get evrything up and running.

TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
news:YwmAb.37345$_h.9819@lakeread02...
> RealTek has a utility for diagnosing the NIC available on their site or I
> have a copy under /drivers/IS7. It may be under IS7 but it is the same
NIC
> so it will work of other RealTek based NIC's.
>
> --
>
> Thomas Geery
> Network+ certified
>
> ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> over 120,000 FTP users served!
> ^^^^^^^
>
>
>
>
> "Tony" <> wrote in message
> news:1OudnfKAsLQKcUyiRVn-...
> > Well, I may be able to add my observations, as my AI7 system should be
> > together by mid-week (I hope). What the utility-of-choice for measuring
> this
> > kind of LAN stuff?
> >
> > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:QI8Ab.37290$_h.27353@lakeread02...
> > > no, I don't have the AI7 online as yet due to lack of parts...
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Thomas Geery
> > > Network+ certified
> > >
> > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > ^^^^^^^
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > news:fu-...
> > > > Have you done any testing to see if the AI7 has the same kind of
high
> > > > percentage of fragged packets as some of the other Abit boards?
> > > >
> > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:IkRzb.35983$_h.32007@lakeread02...
> > > > > The AI7-G, which I have not seen, has a gigabit controller on it.
> Not
> > > > sure
> > > > > of the flavor. The AI7, has a RealTek 8100C 10/100 NIC, looking
at
> it
> > > as
> > > > I
> > > > > type. according to the manual, it also has the AC97 audio set on
> it.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > >
> > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > > > news:CZydnQuqF87qRlKiRVn-...
> > > > > > Not happy to hear this, Tom. OTOH, isn't the AI7 using a
different
> > > > Realtek
> > > > > > LAN chipset? Or was that the on board sound elctronics that's
> using
> > a
> > > > > > different set from previous Abit boards?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:wZEzb.35076$_h.22840@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > I hate to say it, but from what I have seen, there *have* been
> > quite
> > > a
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > bad reports. However, I was using the onboard gigabit NIC on
my
> > > > IC7-G,
> > > > > > > which is not RealTeK by the way, and I had problems with that
as
> > > well.
> > > > > > > stuck in a $20 Intel chip based NIC and no problems! I'm
using
> > the
> > > > > > onboard
> > > > > > > NIC on my IS7-G which is 3COM and that is working fine. for
all
> I
> > > > know,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > problem with my IC7-G NIC could have been driver related but I
> > don't
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > so since it kept saying it was receiving bad packets.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > onboard components seem to be of marginal quality and they
> either
> > > work
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > work at the "it's *okay*" level or they cause a problem. I
have
> > > never
> > > > > > seen
> > > > > > > an onboard component in the video, sound, or LAN category,
that
> > was
> > > > > > > something that I came back from using and said "wow!" I have
> come
> > > to
> > > > > look
> > > > > > > at those types of devices as fluff and am always prepared to
> build
> > > out
> > > > a
> > > > > > > system with an add-in component on hand.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Tony" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:y-qdnShaiOLsF1OiRVn-...
> > > > > > > > Tom, you've been around here awhile (g). In general, do you
> have
> > > any
> > > > > > > opinion
> > > > > > > > on the Abit Realtek on-board LAN implementation? I've seen a
> few
> > > of
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > unhappy reports.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TomG <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:FXnzb.32780$_h.28002@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > > > got it... thanks!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > > > over 120,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Amir Facade" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:...
> > > > > > > > > > windialog-8139(128).zip
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "TomG" <tgeery-NOSPAM-@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:05%yb.29944$_h.11292@lakeread02...
> > > > > > > > > > > of course, the features need to function. I could not
> > agree
> > > > > more.
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > the name of the app you used for testing? I'd like to
> put
> > > > that
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > FTP
> > > > > > > > > > > server...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Geery
> > > > > > > > > > > Network+ certified
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ftp://geerynet.d2g.com
> > > > > > > > > > > ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror <----- Cable modem IP
> > > > > > > > > > > This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!...
> > > > > > > > > > > over 118,000 FTP users served!
> > > > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Cecilio" <> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:tmYyb.1550892$ s...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've found also a test and diagnostics program under
> > > Windows
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Realtek
> > > > > > > > > > > > Web page. It is on the Others section of the
Download
> > > > drivers
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > 8139
> > > > > > > > > > > > Series.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've tested the card and shows lots of failures on
the
> > > link
> > > > > > phase.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I know I can put a cheap NIC to solve the problem
> > (thanks
> > > > Tom)
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > point of view we, as customers, shall oblige the
> > > > manufacturers
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > deliver
> > > > > > > > > > > > products with all the features functioning.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've decided to change both mb by ASUS P4P800.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I will tell you the final result.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks anyway for your help.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
> > > > > > > > > > His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.
> > > > > > > > > > That's $20 million for memories from two people who for
> > eight
> > > > > years
> > > > > > > > > > repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't
> > remember
> > > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > > > God Bless America!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system
(http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date:
> > > > 11/27/2003
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