Jobby's screws

Jim Gibson a écrit :

> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape adheres
> better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do) and that
> enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to start the
> screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the screw set into
> the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove the tape.

On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
the screw. That's it, that's all.

Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get in
the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.

In article <fvo75n$826$>,
Priam <> wrote:

> Jim Gibson a écrit :
>
> > I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape
> > adheres better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do)
> > and that enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to
> > start the screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the
> > screw set into the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove
> > the tape.
>
> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
> the screw. That's it, that's all.
>
> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get
> in the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.

Jeez, you're reduced to picking tiny, tiny nits. Can't you do better?
Or are you tacitly admitting the superiority of Apple products by having
to scrape the bottom of the barrel like this? And my iBook is held
together with Phillips screws and Allen screws.

Tom Stiller a écrit :
> In article <timmcn->,
> Tim McNamara <> wrote:
>
>> In article <fvo75n$826$>,
>> Priam <> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Gibson a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape
>>>> adheres better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do)
>>>> and that enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to
>>>> start the screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the
>>>> screw set into the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove
>>>> the tape.
>>> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
>>> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
>>> the screw. That's it, that's all.
>>>
>>> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get
>>> in the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
>> Jeez, you're reduced to picking tiny, tiny nits. Can't you do better?
>> Or are you tacitly admitting the superiority of Apple products by having
>> to scrape the bottom of the barrel like this? And my iBook is held
>> together with Phillips screws and Allen screws.
>
> I've taken several iBooks apart and never seen an Allen screw. Torx,
> yes, Allen, no.

McNamarad has lots of loose screws. So, once in a while, he adds one to
his Mac, just for fun, and forgets about it.

Jerry Kindall a écrit :
> In article <fvo75n$826$>, Priam
> <> wrote:
>
>> Jim Gibson a écrit :
>>
>>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape adheres
>>> better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do) and that
>>> enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to start the
>>> screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the screw set into
>>> the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove the tape.
>> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
>> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
>> the screw. That's it, that's all.
>>
>> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get in
>> the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
>
> Torx screws are widely used in mass-produced devices. According to
> Wikipedia, Compaq uses a lot of Torx screws. They have real advantages
> for a lot of applications. For one thing, you can get them a lot
> tighter without having to bear down to keep the bit in the screw.

Ever notice the hexagonal form of the plain straight slot screws of an
ordinary PC. (Give me a break with Compaq and HP: they're pretty much
the same kind as Jobby.) Well, the hexagonal form will fit exactly in a
1/4 socket. Isn't it amazing.

> One message board thread I ran across after a quick Google refers to
> Torx screws being used in 1971 and 1972 model-year GM vehicles. Every
> self-respecting tinkerer has had a set for years.

I don't own a car and I never had to use a Torx screwdriver in my life.
And I'd personnaly not "reach down into a bit of a cavity to get at
them". Do you really believe Jobby can afford 1/4" more on his screws?

J.J. O'Shea a écrit :
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 00:42:42 -0400, Jerry Kindall wrote
> (in article <050520082142423559%> ):
>
>> In article <fvo75n$826$>, Priam
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Gibson a écrit :
>>>
>>>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape adheres
>>>> better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do) and that
>>>> enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to start the
>>>> screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the screw set into
>>>> the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove the tape.
>>> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
>>> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
>>> the screw. That's it, that's all.
>>>
>>> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get in
>>> the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
>> Torx screws are widely used in mass-produced devices. According to
>> Wikipedia, Compaq uses a lot of Torx screws. They have real advantages
>> for a lot of applications. For one thing, you can get them a lot
>> tighter without having to bear down to keep the bit in the screw.
>>
>> One message board thread I ran across after a quick Google refers to
>> Torx screws being used in 1971 and 1972 model-year GM vehicles. Every
>> self-respecting tinkerer has had a set for years.
>>
>> Mine are magnetic, which nicely does away with the tape issue -- though
>> personally I find Torx screws fall off the bit a lot less often than
>> Philips ones do.
>>
>>
>
> There you go again, mentioning _facts_ to Yugo/Priam/whatever his name is
> this week. He's simply not interested in facts.

I wonder who's not interested in simple facts here. Two weeks ago, I
posted "Have you heard about the FrankenMac?"(1). Rob Griffiths of
Macworld.com explains how he built the equivalent of a Mac Pro for half
the price. MacWorld, you know. It's not a PC advocate speaking.

(1)
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/thread/c074f3770abb8c1c/c8653a31adf6c19d?lnk=st&q=#c8653a31adf6c19d>

I never got a single answer to this post, not even from 3D Steiner
(that's for Double Decker Diaper Steiner). Isn't it amazing since
everbody seems to be looking for a Mac in a price range in-between the
Mini and the Pro, and the one Griffiths built is much more powerful than
what anybody here expected.

And you frickin' Mac Moron say that *I*'m not interested in facts?

Richard Maine a écrit :
> Tim McNamara <> wrote:
>
>> In article <fvo75n$826$>,
>> Priam <> wrote:
> [flame bait]
>> Jeez, you're reduced to picking tiny, tiny nits. Can't you do better?
>
> I have him killfiled, I suggest others do the same. He's clearly not
> interested in making constructive comments - just in throwing flame
> bait. Giving reasoned responses to such people won't achieve anything.
> Kiilfiles will.

Aren't these facts that I bring up... from MacWorld.com:

<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/thread/c074f3770abb8c1c/c8653a31adf6c19d?lnk=st&q=#c8653a31adf6c19d>

What all of you call facts is what doesn't disturb your brainwashed
tweety brain.

In article <fvqh8l$rv6$>,
Priam <> wrote:

> I wonder who's not interested in simple facts here. Two weeks ago, I
> posted "Have you heard about the FrankenMac?"(1). Rob Griffiths of
> Macworld.com explains how he built the equivalent of a Mac Pro for
> half the price. MacWorld, you know. It's not a PC advocate speaking.

You forgot to factor in the cost of his time; 20 hours at a conservative
$70 an hour is $1,400. Of course, since your time is not worth
anything, that's meaningless to you.

You also didn't consider his conclusion: "While it was fun to build the
Frankenmac, the truth is that I'm not generally willing to live with the
downsides of a build-your-own Mac over the real thing fresh from Apple's
factory."

> I never got a single answer to this post, not even from 3D Steiner
> (that's for Double Decker Diaper Steiner).

Oooh, getting insulted by you is a badge of honor; it's like a gay
person being insulted by Fred Phelps or a Jew being insulted by Tom
Metzger.

> And you frickin' Mac Moron say that *I*'m not interested in facts?

That's because you're not interested in facts.

--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

In article <fvqh8h$rv6$>,
Priam <> wrote:

> Tom Stiller a écrit :
> > In article <timmcn->,
> > Tim McNamara <> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <fvo75n$826$>,
> >> Priam <> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jim Gibson a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape
> >>>> adheres better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to
> >>>> do) and that enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the
> >>>> tape to start the screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns
> >>>> of the screw set into the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and
> >>>> remove the tape.
> >>> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the
> >>> screw, making sure of this and that, you take a plain
> >>> screwdriver, and drive the screw. That's it, that's all.
> >>>
> >>> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't
> >>> get in the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
> >> Jeez, you're reduced to picking tiny, tiny nits. Can't you do
> >> better? Or are you tacitly admitting the superiority of Apple
> >> products by having to scrape the bottom of the barrel like this?
> >> And my iBook is held together with Phillips screws and Allen
> >> screws.
> >
> > I've taken several iBooks apart and never seen an Allen screw.
> > Torx, yes, Allen, no.
>
> McNamarad has lots of loose screws. So, once in a while, he adds one
> to his Mac, just for fun, and forgets about it.

Geez, pathetic. Can't you do better than this? It's like a battle of
wits with someone who came unarmed.

Anyway, there are three Allen screws holding the bottom cover of my
iBook on, as well as the Phillips screws in the sockets covered by the
feet. The holes are hexagonal and not the Torx shape.

J.J. O'Shea a écrit :
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 16:59:34 -0400, Priam wrote
> (in article <fvqh8l$rv6$>):
>
>> J.J. O'Shea a écrit :
>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 00:42:42 -0400, Jerry Kindall wrote
>>> (in article <050520082142423559%> ):
>>>
>>>> In article <fvo75n$826$>, Priam
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim Gibson a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape adheres
>>>>>> better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do) and that
>>>>>> enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to start the
>>>>>> screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the screw set into
>>>>>> the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove the tape.
>>>>> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
>>>>> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
>>>>> the screw. That's it, that's all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get in
>>>>> the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
>>>> Torx screws are widely used in mass-produced devices. According to
>>>> Wikipedia, Compaq uses a lot of Torx screws. They have real advantages
>>>> for a lot of applications. For one thing, you can get them a lot
>>>> tighter without having to bear down to keep the bit in the screw.
>>>>
>>>> One message board thread I ran across after a quick Google refers to
>>>> Torx screws being used in 1971 and 1972 model-year GM vehicles. Every
>>>> self-respecting tinkerer has had a set for years.
>>>>
>>>> Mine are magnetic, which nicely does away with the tape issue -- though
>>>> personally I find Torx screws fall off the bit a lot less often than
>>>> Philips ones do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There you go again, mentioning _facts_ to Yugo/Priam/whatever his name is
>>> this week. He's simply not interested in facts.
>> I wonder who's not interested in simple facts here. Two weeks ago, I
>> posted "Have you heard about the FrankenMac?"(1). Rob Griffiths of
>> Macworld.com explains how he built the equivalent of a Mac Pro for half
>> the price. MacWorld, you know. It's not a PC advocate speaking.
>
> I rarely read your posts. I read this one because you replied to me.
> Otherwise, I'd have ignored it the way that I usually do.
>
>> (1)
>>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp....d/thread/c074f
>
>> 3770abb8c1c/c8653a31adf6c19d?lnk=st&q=#c8653a31adf6c19d>
>>
>> I never got a single answer to this post, not even from 3D Steiner
>> (that's for Double Decker Diaper Steiner). Isn't it amazing since
>> everbody seems to be looking for a Mac in a price range in-between the
>> Mini and the Pro, and the one Griffiths built is much more powerful than
>> what anybody here expected.
>
> Mr. Griffiths said that it was fun to build his Frankenmac. He also said that
> it wasn't worth the effort. I agree. It's not worth the effort. He said, and
> I quote:

You just don't quote the right part. He does explain that most of the
work was getting OS X to work. Since it's far from sure that upgrades
will be possible, 20 hours does seem like a lot of time.

My suggestion was tp install Linux on a non-Mac PC. You don't have to
run around for parts, assemble the PC and installing Mandriva won't take
more than an hour.

Of course, we all know that everybody here is a great $200/hour artist
who couldn't do with The GIMP and Cinelerra instead of Photoshop and
Final Cut. I'm certainly very grateful for some of them spending the
equivalent of $5000 a week on this newsgroup but, of course I'm only
speaking for the 2 guys in the whole world who use Macs and are not such
great artists.

But whatever you think about Linux, the question that remains after
reading this article is this. If you can buy parts at retails stores and
put together the equivalent of a Mac Pro for half the price, how come
Jobby has to ask twice the price when he buys all components at, not
wholesale, but manufacture prices? Maybe you believe he has more trouble
than Griffiths getting OS X to work on a Mac? Of course, another
possibility would be he's screwing you...

J.J. O'Shea wrote:
> Linux will not do what I want to do. Period. It's a non-starter because it
> lacks the application support to do what I need. I tried to use Linux over a
> period of _years_, going from Ubuntu 5.x to 7.x, and had no end of problems
> getting items as simple as a wireless network card to work properly... and
> then, even if I could get the hardware to co-operate, there was simply NO
> SOFTWARE SUPPORT FOR WHAT I WANT TO DO.

I have absolutely no problems with Ubuntu. But that's because I only
use it for what it's good at: DNS, caching web proxy, NFS file server,
NTP peer, etc. Frees up the Mac CPU for everything else I want to do.

:-)



> .... One of the reasons I was looking at Ubuntu was to see if I could
> build a server out of it on the cheap. It's not happening. Instead, I've got
> an old Power Mac running an old copy of OS X Server instead. Yeah, it cost
> more than Ubuntu... but it WORKED OUT OF THE BOX and I didn't have to screw
> with it. I prefer to spend money than time. Money I got, time I don't.

Hmmm. You must expect more from a server than I do.

BTW, the hardware was $120 with Windows XP (I thought
I needed it for work). But I had to re-install a few
times in a few weeks, and after the last crash, couldn't
even re-install. So I installed Kubuntu and moved
my server functions from the equally trouble-free but
less powerful FreeBSD box that I paid $25 for.



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