will a larger power supply use more electricity - also LAN problems...

I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system. what
I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if everything
else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?

also, has anymore figured out what can cause the lan connection to do dead
after a while? It seems that I can transfer files for a while but after
about an hour of activity, all the network connections return the error
'network path not found'. Only cure seems to be a reboot.

using xp sp1 with built in lan connection. Is there some sort of limit or
something stupid like that I need to turn off? Other than than, the system
is rock solid finally - even after the lan fails...

thanks,
thomas

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, In this world we created "thomas"
<> wrote :

>I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system. what
>I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
>bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if everything
>else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?
>
>also, has anymore figured out what can cause the lan connection to do dead
>after a while? It seems that I can transfer files for a while but after
>about an hour of activity, all the network connections return the error
>'network path not found'. Only cure seems to be a reboot.
>
>using xp sp1 with built in lan connection. Is there some sort of limit or
>something stupid like that I need to turn off? Other than than, the system
>is rock solid finally - even after the lan fails...
>
>thanks,
>thomas

One cup of coffee a day using an electric kettle will use way more
than the difference between your old and new PS.
PS
Only putting just a little more water in the kettle than you need to
make cup/s of coffee/tea will save you even more ;-)
PPS
Putting that same amount of water again in the kettle just after you
have made a cup of coffee/tea and using the kettle again with 15 mins
will save you even more as the heat contained in the kettle
will,"Pre-heat" the water for the next cup.
PPPS
Switching the TV off when you go for a Cr** and back on again will
save you even more ;-)




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"Shep©" <> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, In this world we created "thomas"
> <> wrote :
>
> >I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system.
what
> >I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
> >bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if
everything
> >else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?
> >
> >also, has anymore figured out what can cause the lan connection to do
dead
> >after a while? It seems that I can transfer files for a while but after
> >about an hour of activity, all the network connections return the error
> >'network path not found'. Only cure seems to be a reboot.
> >
> >using xp sp1 with built in lan connection. Is there some sort of limit or
> >something stupid like that I need to turn off? Other than than, the
system
> >is rock solid finally - even after the lan fails...
> >
> >thanks,
> >thomas
>
> One cup of coffee a day using an electric kettle will use way more
> than the difference between your old and new PS.
> PS
> Only putting just a little more water in the kettle than you need to
> make cup/s of coffee/tea will save you even more ;-)
> PPS
> Putting that same amount of water again in the kettle just after you
> have made a cup of coffee/tea and using the kettle again with 15 mins
> will save you even more as the heat contained in the kettle
> will,"Pre-heat" the water for the next cup.
> PPPS
> Switching the TV off when you go for a Cr** and back on again will
> save you even more ;-)
>
Uh? Don't you watch the TV when you are having a Cr** then, Shep?
>
>
>
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, thomas wrote:

> I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system. what
> I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
> bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if everything
> else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?

Assuming that both PSU's are equally efficient, the power
consumption will be exactly the same. It is possible that
the newer, bigger, better unit will be slightly more
efficient and will consume less power. Either way, the
difference will be much too small to worry about.

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:27:51 +0100, In this world we created "Mr.
Slow" <millenniumgoldspammersarebastards_@crouchvale.fre eserve.co.uk>
wrote :

>
>"Shep©" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, In this world we created "thomas"
>> <> wrote :
>>
>> >I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system.
>what
>> >I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
>> >bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if
>everything
>> >else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?
>> >
>> >also, has anymore figured out what can cause the lan connection to do
>dead
>> >after a while? It seems that I can transfer files for a while but after
>> >about an hour of activity, all the network connections return the error
>> >'network path not found'. Only cure seems to be a reboot.
>> >
>> >using xp sp1 with built in lan connection. Is there some sort of limit or
>> >something stupid like that I need to turn off? Other than than, the
>system
>> >is rock solid finally - even after the lan fails...
>> >
>> >thanks,
>> >thomas
>>
>> One cup of coffee a day using an electric kettle will use way more
>> than the difference between your old and new PS.
>> PS
>> Only putting just a little more water in the kettle than you need to
>> make cup/s of coffee/tea will save you even more ;-)
>> PPS
>> Putting that same amount of water again in the kettle just after you
>> have made a cup of coffee/tea and using the kettle again with 15 mins
>> will save you even more as the heat contained in the kettle
>> will,"Pre-heat" the water for the next cup.
>> PPPS
>> Switching the TV off when you go for a Cr** and back on again will
>> save you even more ;-)
>>
>Uh? Don't you watch the TV when you are having a Cr** then, Shep?

Heh.Heh :O
Not if it's CCTV :O



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Shep? <> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, In this world we created "thomas"
> <> wrote :
>
>>I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system. what
>>I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
>>bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if everything
>>else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?

> One cup of coffee a day using an electric kettle will use way more
> than the difference between your old and new PS.

Or not.
Say 50W difference for a 24*7 server.
That's around 1.2Kwh/day.
Boiling 1 cup of water will use around 55Wh.
You can make around 44 cups of coffee with the saved electricity.

Electricity is quite expensive in some places.
While you can get power supplies for $9(us), which will work fine, a
saving of 50W/24*7 would save me around $62(us)
If a power supply lasts 3 years in a server, then it might be worth
considering power supplies up to over a hundred (us) dollars, if they
may save electricity.

> PS
> Only putting just a little more water in the kettle than you need to
> make cup/s of coffee/tea will save you even more ;-)

You can boil an extra 22 liters (5 gallons) with the saved electricity.

> PPS
> Putting that same amount of water again in the kettle just after you
> have made a cup of coffee/tea and using the kettle again with 15 mins
> will save you even more as the heat contained in the kettle
> will,"Pre-heat" the water for the next cup.
> PPPS
> Switching the TV off when you go for a Cr** and back on again will
> save you even more ;-)

TVs generally use around 60W, to save as much you'd need to be on the
pot for 20 hours a day.

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Ian Stirling
<> wrote:

>Shep? <> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, In this world we created "thomas"
>> <> wrote :
>>
>>>I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system. what
>>>I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
>>>bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if everything
>>>else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?
>
>> One cup of coffee a day using an electric kettle will use way more
>> than the difference between your old and new PS.
>
>Or not.
>Say 50W difference for a 24*7 server.
>That's around 1.2Kwh/day.
>Boiling 1 cup of water will use around 55Wh.
>You can make around 44 cups of coffee with the saved electricity.
>
The point is that unless the quality of the 400w power supply is bad, it is
unlikely to pull 50w more power than a 300w power supply in the same
system. It could even be less if the 300w is close to maximum load, as the
effeciency of some power supplies drops off markedly as you approach their
limits. Most likely, there will be very little difference in the power each
will consume. Only measurements can tell.

Point is that the wattage rating of a power supply is the maximum it can
supply, not what it will draw all the time. Effeciency is seldom listed for
computer power supplies.

JT <> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Ian Stirling
> <> wrote:
>
>>Shep? <> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, In this world we created "thomas"
>>> <> wrote :
>>>
>>>>I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system. what
>>>>I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
>>>>bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if everything
>>>>else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?
>>
>>> One cup of coffee a day using an electric kettle will use way more
>>> than the difference between your old and new PS.
>>
>>Or not.
>>Say 50W difference for a 24*7 server.
>>That's around 1.2Kwh/day.
>>Boiling 1 cup of water will use around 55Wh.
>>You can make around 44 cups of coffee with the saved electricity.
>>
> The point is that unless the quality of the 400w power supply is bad, it is
> unlikely to pull 50w more power than a 300w power supply in the same
> system. It could even be less if the 300w is close to maximum load, as the
> effeciency of some power supplies drops off markedly as you approach their
> limits. Most likely, there will be very little difference in the power each
> will consume. Only measurements can tell.

Sorry, I should have been more explicit.
Preliminary measurements seem to indicate my 250W cheapo-power supply
has an efficiency of around 50-70%.

Saving 50W with a more efficient power supply, which might have a bigger
rating, would be quite possible.

> Point is that the wattage rating of a power supply is the maximum it can
> supply, not what it will draw all the time. Effeciency is seldom listed for
> computer power supplies.

Which is annoying.

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If your hardware requires 200W of power, why would it need more if you add a
higher watt/more efficient PSU?

"Ian Stirling" <> wrote in message
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> Shep? <> wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:38:17 -0700, In this world we created "thomas"
> > <> wrote :
> >
> >>I've swapped my 300W powersupply for a 400W one in my k7s5a pro system.
what
> >>I want to know is will that automatically translate to higher elecritcal
> >>bill or does that mean the supply just has more capacity but if
everything
> >>else is constant, it won't use up more power. does that make any sense?
>
> > One cup of coffee a day using an electric kettle will use way more
> > than the difference between your old and new PS.
>
> Or not.
> Say 50W difference for a 24*7 server.
> That's around 1.2Kwh/day.
> Boiling 1 cup of water will use around 55Wh.
> You can make around 44 cups of coffee with the saved electricity.
>
> Electricity is quite expensive in some places.
> While you can get power supplies for $9(us), which will work fine, a
> saving of 50W/24*7 would save me around $62(us)
> If a power supply lasts 3 years in a server, then it might be worth
> considering power supplies up to over a hundred (us) dollars, if they
> may save electricity.
>
> > PS
> > Only putting just a little more water in the kettle than you need to
> > make cup/s of coffee/tea will save you even more ;-)
>
> You can boil an extra 22 liters (5 gallons) with the saved electricity.
>
> > PPS
> > Putting that same amount of water again in the kettle just after you
> > have made a cup of coffee/tea and using the kettle again with 15 mins
> > will save you even more as the heat contained in the kettle
> > will,"Pre-heat" the water for the next cup.
> > PPPS
> > Switching the TV off when you go for a Cr** and back on again will
> > save you even more ;-)
>
> TVs generally use around 60W, to save as much you'd need to be on the
> pot for 20 hours a day.
>
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