Motherboard unusuable because of 1 millimeter of missing plastic?!?!?!?!

Ok,

As usually it's good to be back !

The stock AMD CPU Cooler has been mounted and is working and slightly
humming/zooming for now this is acceptable

Cool & Quiet is not yet on... maybe later I turn it on so the cpu fan can
spin more slowly for quieter operation...

Currently the temperatures are:

CPU: 30 degrees.
Motherboard: 31 to 32 degrees.

Rounds per minute for cpu: 3139.
Rounds per minute for power supply: 760.

I am kinda surprised about the low temperatures... I kinda expected it...
but not this low ?!

PC has been running for like one hour or so... mostly doing chkdsk and just
booting... and idling...

I think the low temperatures can be explained by the improved airflow... the
stock AMD CPU cooler is much smaller than the Scythe Zipang... thus the
Scythe Zipang was obstructing airflow ?!?

However it's too early to tell what will happen when the system is put under
load...

I am also curious about what will happen if cool & quiet is on... and what
will happen if the dust filters get full...

The dust filters are currently pretty much empty...

I dripped some oil into the most important fans as well...

And I also blew out some dust from the case... and removed some dust from
the case fans... mostly just on the blades...

Fan speed is like 10 to 25% as usual which looks like follows:

Speed knob:
\

Diagonal marking from top left to bottom right.

I also did a short memtest of 3 minutes or so to see if any errors detect...
none detected. (Bad memory chip has been replaced).

Holding my hand above the top fan almost seems as if it's now able to expell
heat better.. but this could be deceiving since my hand will cool down and
then it feels warmer but still... it does seem as if the heat can rise more
easily towards the top fan... the heat wave looks less wiggly... and
possibly going up faster
So probably less turbulence in case

Well that's all I have to say for now... me happy again

Bye,
Skybuck =D

After watching some youtube video's the temperatures are now:

CPU: 36 degrees.
Motherboard: 32 to 33 degrees.

No changes were made...

Bye,
Skybuck.

I saw CPU temperatures rise to 42 degrees while just watching some you tube
video's... makes me wonder what will happen when I play games or run really
cpu intensive stuff...

However the motherboard temperature remained pretty stable around 32 or 33
degrees.

Though maybe that will rise under heavy loads as well... hmm

Bye,
Skybuck.

On Oct 31, 4:09*pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
>
> > Some court should issue a restraining order keeping you 100 meters
> > from any computer.
>
> * *No, someone should taser skydummy every time he touches a computer..
> It will either force him to stay away from computers, or fry what little
> is left of his mind.
>
> --
> The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

Skydummy titled his post:
Motherboard unusuable because of 1 millimeter of missing
plastic ?!?!?!?! Options

I'm thinking the gap is a lot smaller than that...
Like the one between his synapses.

Skybuck wrote:

> 1. Sawing/cutting into the plastic would not be a good idea... it
> would further weaken it and then the stock amd cooler might not even
> hold on anymore.

But because of your carelessness, you have nothing to lose now, and if
you cut into the plastic and make the notch rounded, it will probably
hold up better than the original. And, as I said earlier, grind off
the rough edges of the metal clip so they don't cut into the plastic.

> 2. Metal clips attached to screw probably not gonna work... I might
> have a little bit of metal wire or a paper clip but I see no
> possibility of attaching it...

A piece of metal wire (is there such a thing as non-metal wire?) is
going to be much weaker. I don't see why a piece of flat steel, about
1cm wide, under the screw, with its end bent down over the hook area
of the plastic, won't work, and if clearance with the screw is tight,
just drill a countersink in the metal and substitute a flathead
screw.

> So I don't want a shaky solution and this would be a very shaky solution.

It's not a shaky solution but a solid, practical one, and if you had
reinforced both sides of the plastic that way before installing the
heatsink clip, it's unlikely any plastic would have broken.

Ok, putting a metal "clip" under the black plastic to reinforce it might be
a nice idea...

It would look like so:

/\ <- screw ?!
----
||||
/===|||| <- black plastic
\===||||
------||||
^ ||||
|
metal clip ?!

I see two potential problems with this:

1. The metal clip might shoot out.

2. The metal clip might bend...

Furthermore I don't think I have a metal clip that's that small and could
fit... I might look around to see if I see something... but for now I am
happy with the stock AMD CPU cooler which is held up perfectly and little
risk except maybe reduced cpu cooling... but motherboard temperature seems
ok... I haven't tested yet with high end games though...

So I am not a metal expert and I have no metal cutting skills or equipment


Also I fail to see how the metal clip might be attached to the screw...

However maybe a clip from a pepsi/fanta can might do the trick ? But I think
it's probably to big to fit through the holes of the cooler clips ! And
possibly to weak.. it's probably aluminium...

Maybe "soldering" some thing wire to the metal clips might hold the metal
clips in place... though I think it could break off...

If anything breaks off or shoots out then the cpu cooler would come crashing
down and could damage the graphics cards... I do have a backup one though...
but it could also maybe damage the motherboard itself... or bend some pci
slots or so... and graphics card might shoot out and damage soundblaster
which I do not really have a spare for nor do I wanna damage it

The whole idea of a cpu cooler coming down and crashing stuff is a scary
thought !

I think the whole design of the Scythe Zipang cpu cooler was bad from the
start.

1. Airflow obstruction
2. Weight
3. Clipping system depending on millimeters of weak black plastic.
4. Even packaging says not to use it for "high cpu loads" which is a pretty
good indication that they know it "sux"

For now I wonder which cpu cooler is better so for now I will be using the
stock AMD CPU cooler...

Again I thank you for thinking about solutions... (it might come in handy in
the future some day in case I wanna try it or need it ! )

Maybe you could make a picture of your solution and show it... it kinda
sounds like you have experience with it ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

Skybuck Flying wrote:
>
> Ok, putting a metal "clip" under the black plastic to reinforce it might be
> a nice idea...
>
> It would look like so:
>
> /\ <- screw ?!
> ----
> ||||
> /===|||| <- black plastic
> \===||||
> ------||||
> ^ ||||
> |
> metal clip ?!
>
> I see two potential problems with this:
>
> 1. The metal clip might shoot out.
>
> 2. The metal clip might bend...

That's because you have it EXACTLY wrong. The metal clip goes on top
of the plastic, not under it. I would put it directly under the
screw, after bending the metal so it follows the contour of the
plastic under it (probably two bends, the first 20-45 degrees
downward, the second so the metal is vertical with the outer edge of
the plastic). The metal backs the plastic. Fill gaps with epoxy
putty if more strength is needed.

_____
_____| |_____ metal clip
/ | |
/ | |
/ screw
|
|



> Furthermore I don't think I have a metal clip that's that small and could
> fit... I might look around to see if I see something...

> Also I fail to see how the metal clip might be attached to the screw...

With a hole through it, of course. Why do you think, when you
suggested there might not be enough clearance, I answered that the
hole could be counterbored and a flathead screw used?

> However maybe a clip from a pepsi/fanta can might do the trick ?

You have an interesting thought process.

I'm talking steel, not aluminum, 1-2mm thick, like the kind used for
rear brackets of computer plug-in cards or the covers for unused slots
(the flat covers, not the ribbed ones). Also hardware stores and
hobby shops sell small pieces of steel, and stainless is stronger than
regular steel (and harder to cut and drill).

> Maybe "soldering" some thing wire to the metal clips might hold the metal
> clips in place... though I think it could break off...

You don't need to solder anything, and regular solder (i.e., not the
kind with high silver content that needs an oxygen torch to melt it)
is too weak.

As I said, you have an "interesting" thought process.

On Nov 1, 4:55*pm, "Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, putting a metal "clip" under the black plastic to reinforce it might be
> a nice idea...
>
> It would look like so:
>
> * * * */\ * <- screw ?!
> * * * ----
> * * * ||||
> * /===|||| <- black plastic
> * \===||||
> ------||||
> * ^ * ||||
> * |
> metal clip ?!
>
> I see two potential problems with this:
>
> 1. The metal clip might shoot out.
>
> 2. The metal clip might bend...
>
> Furthermore I don't think I have a metal clip that's that small and could
> fit... I might look around to see if I see something... but for now I am
> happy with the stock AMD CPU cooler which is held up perfectly and little
> risk except maybe reduced cpu cooling... but motherboard temperature seems
> ok... I haven't tested yet with high end games though...
>
> So I am not a metal expert and I have no metal cutting skills or equipment
>
>
> Also I fail to see how the metal clip might be attached to the screw...
>
> However maybe a clip from a pepsi/fanta can might do the trick ? But I think
> it's probably to big to fit through the holes of the cooler clips ! And
> possibly to weak.. it's probably aluminium...
>
> Maybe "soldering" some thing wire to the metal clips might hold the metal
> clips in place... though I think it could break off...
>
> If anything breaks off or shoots out then the cpu cooler would come crashing
> down and could damage the graphics cards... I do have a backup one though....
> but it could also maybe damage the motherboard itself... or bend some pci
> slots or so... and graphics card might shoot out and damage soundblaster
> which I do not really have a spare for nor do I wanna damage it
>
> The whole idea of a cpu cooler coming down and crashing stuff is a scary
> thought !
>
> I think the whole design of the Scythe Zipang cpu cooler was bad from the
> start.
>
> 1. Airflow obstruction
> 2. Weight
> 3. Clipping system depending on millimeters of weak black plastic.
> 4. Even packaging says not to use it for "high cpu loads" which is a pretty
> good indication that they know it "sux"
>
> For now I wonder which cpu cooler is better so for now I will be using the
> stock AMD CPU cooler...
>
> Again I thank you for thinking about solutions... (it might come in handyin
> the future some day in case I wanna try it or need it ! )
>
> Maybe you could make a picture of your solution and show it... it kinda
> sounds like you have experience with it ?
>
> Bye,
> * Skybuck.

So why did you pay extra for something that you screwed up? I just
used the coolers that came with the Phenoms and have no problems at
all. I thought it was much more difficult to change coolers on Athlon
socket 462 yet I never broke one, even the one that got switched out
testing processors and changing coolers.

Do you have a dark cloud following you around? Does it rain only on
you?

G²

Funny enough the webshop "alternate" sent back the failed RMA

So I got my second motherboard back ! I was kinda surprised !

I inspected the second motherboard it more or less has the same problem but
less severe...

Pretty amazing.

For now I will keep the stock AMD CPU Cooler...

It's quite interesting really... with this default cooler the cpu
temperature rises high to 47 degrees or so... but the motherboard stays very
cool at 32 to 33 degrees.

What's even more interesting is that when the cpu load stops... the
temperature quickly lowers to about 31 degrees or so...

This proves that the case is good at expelling heat... and this also proves
that the Scythe Zipang was obstructing airflow big time ! With that big
cooler it would take very long before temperatures dropped !

I am just hoping that with this tiny cpu cooler the components around the
cpu don't fry ?!

Time will tell...

Yesterday was also a first... I was venting my place... temperatures dropped
at night... lowest I have seen so far... cpu was 25 degrees motherboard more
or less the same... that worried me a little bit... such high temperature
changes might be bad... fortunately I don't do that too often...

Kinda makes me wonder if motherboard death might be temperature fluctations
related... for now I am hoping for the best !

Also it seems amd power saving has been on all this time after all ?!? I
didn't know I was using it

I guess I just didn't enable cool & quiet or so ?!? Since I think the cpu
fan spinning at full speed which is I think a good thing... for now I am
gonna let it be !

Bye,
Skybuck.