New Dell w/Ubuntu

On Jun 25, 3:19*pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> Bob Villa wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 11:41 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>> On Jun 24, 10:44 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 24, 9:27 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> >>>>>>>>> there be problems with hardware drivers?
> >>>>>>>>> TIA
> >>>>>>>>> b_v
> >>>>>>>> Probably not. *If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
> >>>>>>>> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> >>>>>>>> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
> >>>>>>>> ... Ben Myers
> >>>>>>> I am a bit cloudy on this...if I install XP and it presumably hasno
> >>>>>>> drivers...will it ask for say "chip-set" driver and you put in another
> >>>>>>> CD?
> >>>>>>> Dell does list the XP drivers (Inspiron 1545) but there are multiple
> >>>>>>> files for many items.
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> Bob
> >>>>>> XP installs basic default drivers for any chipsets for which drivers are
> >>>>>> not on the install CD/DVD (the latter for Media Edition.) *It's all a
> >>>>>> question of timing. *XP was released in 2001, XP Media in 2005. *Any
> >>>>>> chipset initially shipped after the XP CD/DVD was produced will probably
> >>>>>> (99+% chance) not have drivers. *The system runs with the default
> >>>>>> drivers, but in a greatly degraded mode with vanilla default video, hard
> >>>>>> drive and optical drive drivers. *XP does not nag you for drivers for
> >>>>>> all the little yellow exclamation points in Device Manager.
> >>>>>> You get the chocolate chip flavor of driver from either the Dell web
> >>>>>> site or the web site of the chipset manufacturer. *Dell has an extensive
> >>>>>> (perhaps the most extensive) driver collection on its web site, soyou
> >>>>>> go to the support section, select the model or enter the service tag,
> >>>>>> select your operating system and download the drivers one at a time.
> >>>>>> To get best results, you MUST install the motherboard chipset driver
> >>>>>> first. *After that, you can do video, Ethernet, wifi, audio, touchpad,
> >>>>>> etc in most any order until all the exclamation points go away.
> >>>>>> Save yourself some time and do not reboot the system after each driver
> >>>>>> installation finishes, except for the most important motherboard chipset
> >>>>>> driver... Ben Myers
> >>>>> Thanks Ben, so XP WILL install and then install chipset and the
> >>>>> rest...got ya!
> >>>> Yes, unlike earlier Win 95/98/ME, you can install Windows 2000/XP/Vista
> >>>> and get the system sort of running without the right device drivers,and
> >>>> have both optical drive and flash drive available to use install the
> >>>> drivers.
> >>>> back in the dark Win 9x days of the last century, sometimes the system
> >>>> would end up not recognizing a CD-ROM drive under Windows. *This left
> >>>> you in a quandry as to what to do to install some drivers. *Microsoft
> >>>> has made some progress with Windows in the last 20+ years (I went tothe
> >>>> Windows 1.03 seminar in 1985) with a lot of trial and error and millions
> >>>> of human guinea pigs to try out the software... Ben Myers
> >>> Should I be concerned about SATA? *I know the HDD uses it...not sure
> >>> about the DVD/RW.
> >>> As WSZsr has stated...that could be a stumbling block. *Both Dell XP
> >>> versions I have are SP1 and I have a disk for SP2.
> >>> bv
> >> Yes, be concerned about SATA. *Very much! *Chances are the DVD/RW is
> >> PATA. *If your system has a floppy drive, you can use the decidedly
> >> retro (so last century! I cannot understand though why XP does not
> >> support older 8" floppy diskette drives. ) approach of finding the
> >> necessary SATA drivers somewhere, starting up SP1 and inserting a floppy
> >> with some SATA stuff when the installer asked you to press F6. *I have
> >> never suffered through this, so I cannot begin to tell you how exactly
> >> to do it... Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The Dell site lists the DVD/RW as SATA and has no floppy
> > (3.5,5.25,or8")...so I guess flashdrive will work...I hope!
>
> Flash drive will NOT work. *Thank Bill Gates & Co for their unbelievable
> stupidity. *A floppy is the ONLY way to load drivers after pressing
> F6!!! *State of the art feature... Ben

Hey, I found an old laptop floppy in the basement...have no idea if
there is a place to connect it!

Side note: the daughter is starting to like Ubuntu...all may not be
lost!

On Jun 25, 10:19*pm, RnR <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob Villa
>
>
>
> <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 25, 3:19*pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> > On Jun 25, 11:41 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> >> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> >>> On Jun 24, 10:44 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Jun 24, 9:27 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>> If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> >> >>>>>>>>> there be problems with hardware drivers?
> >> >>>>>>>>> TIA
> >> >>>>>>>>> b_v
> >> >>>>>>>> Probably not. *If the Dell web site does not have them, youhave to
> >> >>>>>>>> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> >> >>>>>>>> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
> >> >>>>>>>> ... Ben Myers
> >> >>>>>>> I am a bit cloudy on this...if I install XP and it presumably has no
> >> >>>>>>> drivers...will it ask for say "chip-set" driver and you put inanother
> >> >>>>>>> CD?
> >> >>>>>>> Dell does list the XP drivers (Inspiron 1545) but there are multiple
> >> >>>>>>> files for many items.
> >> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>>>> Bob
> >> >>>>>> XP installs basic default drivers for any chipsets for which drivers are
> >> >>>>>> not on the install CD/DVD (the latter for Media Edition.) *It's all a
> >> >>>>>> question of timing. *XP was released in 2001, XP Media in 2005. *Any
> >> >>>>>> chipset initially shipped after the XP CD/DVD was produced willprobably
> >> >>>>>> (99+% chance) not have drivers. *The system runs with the default
> >> >>>>>> drivers, but in a greatly degraded mode with vanilla default video, hard
> >> >>>>>> drive and optical drive drivers. *XP does not nag you for drivers for
> >> >>>>>> all the little yellow exclamation points in Device Manager.
> >> >>>>>> You get the chocolate chip flavor of driver from either the Dell web
> >> >>>>>> site or the web site of the chipset manufacturer. *Dell has an extensive
> >> >>>>>> (perhaps the most extensive) driver collection on its web site,so you
> >> >>>>>> go to the support section, select the model or enter the service tag,
> >> >>>>>> select your operating system and download the drivers one at a time.
> >> >>>>>> To get best results, you MUST install the motherboard chipset driver
> >> >>>>>> first. *After that, you can do video, Ethernet, wifi, audio, touchpad,
> >> >>>>>> etc in most any order until all the exclamation points go away.
> >> >>>>>> Save yourself some time and do not reboot the system after eachdriver
> >> >>>>>> installation finishes, except for the most important motherboard chipset
> >> >>>>>> driver... Ben Myers
> >> >>>>> Thanks Ben, so XP WILL install and then install chipset and the
> >> >>>>> rest...got ya!
> >> >>>> Yes, unlike earlier Win 95/98/ME, you can install Windows 2000/XP/Vista
> >> >>>> and get the system sort of running without the right device drivers, and
> >> >>>> have both optical drive and flash drive available to use install the
> >> >>>> drivers.
> >> >>>> back in the dark Win 9x days of the last century, sometimes the system
> >> >>>> would end up not recognizing a CD-ROM drive under Windows. *This left
> >> >>>> you in a quandry as to what to do to install some drivers. *Microsoft
> >> >>>> has made some progress with Windows in the last 20+ years (I wentto the
> >> >>>> Windows 1.03 seminar in 1985) with a lot of trial and error and millions
> >> >>>> of human guinea pigs to try out the software... Ben Myers
> >> >>> Should I be concerned about SATA? *I know the HDD uses it...not sure
> >> >>> about the DVD/RW.
> >> >>> As WSZsr has stated...that could be a stumbling block. *Both Dell XP
> >> >>> versions I have are SP1 and I have a disk for SP2.
> >> >>> bv
> >> >> Yes, be concerned about SATA. *Very much! *Chances are the DVD/RW is
> >> >> PATA. *If your system has a floppy drive, you can use the decidedly
> >> >> retro (so last century! I cannot understand though why XP does not
> >> >> support older 8" floppy diskette drives. ) approach of finding the
> >> >> necessary SATA drivers somewhere, starting up SP1 and inserting a floppy
> >> >> with some SATA stuff when the installer asked you to press F6. *Ihave
> >> >> never suffered through this, so I cannot begin to tell you how exactly
> >> >> to do it... Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > The Dell site lists the DVD/RW as SATA and has no floppy
> >> > (3.5,5.25,or8")...so I guess flashdrive will work...I hope!
>
> >> Flash drive will NOT work. *Thank Bill Gates & Co for their unbelievable
> >> stupidity. *A floppy is the ONLY way to load drivers after pressing
> >> F6!!! *State of the art feature... Ben
>
> >Hey, I found an old laptop floppy in the basement...have no idea if
> >there is a place to connect it!
>
> >Side note: the daughter is starting to like Ubuntu...all may not be
> >lost!
>
> Bob, I haven't followed this thread but if you need a floppy drive,
> you can always buy a usb external floppy (around $18 or so).

But if it won't handle a USB flashdrive...would it work with USB
floppy?

Bob Villa wrote:
> On Jun 25, 10:19 pm, RnR <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob Villa
>>
>>
>>
>> <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jun 25, 3:19 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 25, 11:41 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 10:44 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 9:27 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there be problems with hardware drivers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b_v
>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not. If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
>>>>>>>>>>>> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ... Ben Myers
>>>>>>>>>>> I am a bit cloudy on this...if I install XP and it presumably has no
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers...will it ask for say "chip-set" driver and you put in another
>>>>>>>>>>> CD?
>>>>>>>>>>> Dell does list the XP drivers (Inspiron 1545) but there are multiple
>>>>>>>>>>> files for many items.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>> XP installs basic default drivers for any chipsets for which drivers are
>>>>>>>>>> not on the install CD/DVD (the latter for Media Edition.) It's all a
>>>>>>>>>> question of timing. XP was released in 2001, XP Media in 2005. Any
>>>>>>>>>> chipset initially shipped after the XP CD/DVD was produced will probably
>>>>>>>>>> (99+% chance) not have drivers. The system runs with the default
>>>>>>>>>> drivers, but in a greatly degraded mode with vanilla default video, hard
>>>>>>>>>> drive and optical drive drivers. XP does not nag you for drivers for
>>>>>>>>>> all the little yellow exclamation points in Device Manager.
>>>>>>>>>> You get the chocolate chip flavor of driver from either the Dell web
>>>>>>>>>> site or the web site of the chipset manufacturer. Dell has an extensive
>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps the most extensive) driver collection on its web site, so you
>>>>>>>>>> go to the support section, select the model or enter the service tag,
>>>>>>>>>> select your operating system and download the drivers one at a time.
>>>>>>>>>> To get best results, you MUST install the motherboard chipset driver
>>>>>>>>>> first. After that, you can do video, Ethernet, wifi, audio, touchpad,
>>>>>>>>>> etc in most any order until all the exclamation points go away.
>>>>>>>>>> Save yourself some time and do not reboot the system after each driver
>>>>>>>>>> installation finishes, except for the most important motherboard chipset
>>>>>>>>>> driver... Ben Myers
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Ben, so XP WILL install and then install chipset and the
>>>>>>>>> rest...got ya!
>>>>>>>> Yes, unlike earlier Win 95/98/ME, you can install Windows 2000/XP/Vista
>>>>>>>> and get the system sort of running without the right device drivers, and
>>>>>>>> have both optical drive and flash drive available to use install the
>>>>>>>> drivers.
>>>>>>>> back in the dark Win 9x days of the last century, sometimes the system
>>>>>>>> would end up not recognizing a CD-ROM drive under Windows. This left
>>>>>>>> you in a quandry as to what to do to install some drivers. Microsoft
>>>>>>>> has made some progress with Windows in the last 20+ years (I went to the
>>>>>>>> Windows 1.03 seminar in 1985) with a lot of trial and error and millions
>>>>>>>> of human guinea pigs to try out the software... Ben Myers
>>>>>>> Should I be concerned about SATA? I know the HDD uses it...not sure
>>>>>>> about the DVD/RW.
>>>>>>> As WSZsr has stated...that could be a stumbling block. Both Dell XP
>>>>>>> versions I have are SP1 and I have a disk for SP2.
>>>>>>> bv
>>>>>> Yes, be concerned about SATA. Very much! Chances are the DVD/RW is
>>>>>> PATA. If your system has a floppy drive, you can use the decidedly
>>>>>> retro (so last century! I cannot understand though why XP does not
>>>>>> support older 8" floppy diskette drives. ) approach of finding the
>>>>>> necessary SATA drivers somewhere, starting up SP1 and inserting a floppy
>>>>>> with some SATA stuff when the installer asked you to press F6. I have
>>>>>> never suffered through this, so I cannot begin to tell you how exactly
>>>>>> to do it... Ben- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> The Dell site lists the DVD/RW as SATA and has no floppy
>>>>> (3.5,5.25,or8")...so I guess flashdrive will work...I hope!
>>>> Flash drive will NOT work. Thank Bill Gates & Co for their unbelievable
>>>> stupidity. A floppy is the ONLY way to load drivers after pressing
>>>> F6!!! State of the art feature... Ben
>>> Hey, I found an old laptop floppy in the basement...have no idea if
>>> there is a place to connect it!
>>> Side note: the daughter is starting to like Ubuntu...all may not be
>>> lost!
>> Bob, I haven't followed this thread but if you need a floppy drive,
>> you can always buy a usb external floppy (around $18 or so).
>
> But if it won't handle a USB flashdrive...would it work with USB
> floppy?

Because that is the way the dummies from Microsoft did it. Or were they
being cunning to make it more difficult for all of us???

This is not a hardware problem. It is strictly the way the Microsofties
wrote the XP install program... Ben Myers

On Jun 26, 7:50*pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> Bob Villa wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 10:19 pm, RnR <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob Villa
>
> >> <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jun 25, 3:19 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 25, 11:41 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jun 24, 10:44 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 9:27 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there be problems with hardware drivers?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> b_v
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not. *If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ... Ben Myers
> >>>>>>>>>>> I am a bit cloudy on this...if I install XP and it presumablyhas no
> >>>>>>>>>>> drivers...will it ask for say "chip-set" driver and you put in another
> >>>>>>>>>>> CD?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dell does list the XP drivers (Inspiron 1545) but there are multiple
> >>>>>>>>>>> files for many items.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob
> >>>>>>>>>> XP installs basic default drivers for any chipsets for which drivers are
> >>>>>>>>>> not on the install CD/DVD (the latter for Media Edition.) *It's all a
> >>>>>>>>>> question of timing. *XP was released in 2001, XP Media in 2005. *Any
> >>>>>>>>>> chipset initially shipped after the XP CD/DVD was produced will probably
> >>>>>>>>>> (99+% chance) not have drivers. *The system runs with the default
> >>>>>>>>>> drivers, but in a greatly degraded mode with vanilla default video, hard
> >>>>>>>>>> drive and optical drive drivers. *XP does not nag you for drivers for
> >>>>>>>>>> all the little yellow exclamation points in Device Manager.
> >>>>>>>>>> You get the chocolate chip flavor of driver from either the Dell web
> >>>>>>>>>> site or the web site of the chipset manufacturer. *Dell has an extensive
> >>>>>>>>>> (perhaps the most extensive) driver collection on its web site, so you
> >>>>>>>>>> go to the support section, select the model or enter the service tag,
> >>>>>>>>>> select your operating system and download the drivers one at atime.
> >>>>>>>>>> To get best results, you MUST install the motherboard chipset driver
> >>>>>>>>>> first. *After that, you can do video, Ethernet, wifi, audio,touchpad,
> >>>>>>>>>> etc in most any order until all the exclamation points go away..
> >>>>>>>>>> Save yourself some time and do not reboot the system after each driver
> >>>>>>>>>> installation finishes, except for the most important motherboard chipset
> >>>>>>>>>> driver... Ben Myers
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Ben, so XP WILL install and then install chipset and the
> >>>>>>>>> rest...got ya!
> >>>>>>>> Yes, unlike earlier Win 95/98/ME, you can install Windows 2000/XP/Vista
> >>>>>>>> and get the system sort of running without the right device drivers, and
> >>>>>>>> have both optical drive and flash drive available to use installthe
> >>>>>>>> drivers.
> >>>>>>>> back in the dark Win 9x days of the last century, sometimes the system
> >>>>>>>> would end up not recognizing a CD-ROM drive under Windows. *This left
> >>>>>>>> you in a quandry as to what to do to install some drivers. *Microsoft
> >>>>>>>> has made some progress with Windows in the last 20+ years (I went to the
> >>>>>>>> Windows 1.03 seminar in 1985) with a lot of trial and error and millions
> >>>>>>>> of human guinea pigs to try out the software... Ben Myers
> >>>>>>> Should I be concerned about SATA? *I know the HDD uses it...notsure
> >>>>>>> about the DVD/RW.
> >>>>>>> As WSZsr has stated...that could be a stumbling block. *Both Dell XP
> >>>>>>> versions I have are SP1 and I have a disk for SP2.
> >>>>>>> bv
> >>>>>> Yes, be concerned about SATA. *Very much! *Chances are the DVD/RW is
> >>>>>> PATA. *If your system has a floppy drive, you can use the decidedly
> >>>>>> retro (so last century! I cannot understand though why XP does not
> >>>>>> support older 8" floppy diskette drives. ) approach of finding the
> >>>>>> necessary SATA drivers somewhere, starting up SP1 and inserting a floppy
> >>>>>> with some SATA stuff when the installer asked you to press F6. *I have
> >>>>>> never suffered through this, so I cannot begin to tell you how exactly
> >>>>>> to do it... Ben- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>> The Dell site lists the DVD/RW as SATA and has no floppy
> >>>>> (3.5,5.25,or8")...so I guess flashdrive will work...I hope!
> >>>> Flash drive will NOT work. *Thank Bill Gates & Co for their unbelievable
> >>>> stupidity. *A floppy is the ONLY way to load drivers after pressing
> >>>> F6!!! *State of the art feature... Ben
> >>> Hey, I found an old laptop floppy in the basement...have no idea if
> >>> there is a place to connect it!
> >>> Side note: the daughter is starting to like Ubuntu...all may not be
> >>> lost!
> >> Bob, I haven't followed this thread but if you need a floppy drive,
> >> you can always buy a usb external floppy (around $18 or so).
>
> > But if it won't handle a USB flashdrive...would it work with USB
> > floppy?
>
> Because that is the way the dummies from Microsoft did it. *Or were they
> being cunning to make it more difficult for all of us???
>
> This is not a hardware problem. *It is strictly the way the Microsofties
> wrote the XP install program... Ben Myers

I thought I used a USB mouse when I did an install...but this wouldn't
mean it would recognize a drive.

On Jun 27, 8:07*am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 7:50*pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bob Villa wrote:
> > > On Jun 25, 10:19 pm, RnR <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob Villa
>
> > >> <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Jun 25, 3:19 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> > >>>>> On Jun 25, 11:41 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Jun 24, 10:44 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 9:27 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there be problems with hardware drivers?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> b_v
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not. *If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs'web sites.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ... Ben Myers
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I am a bit cloudy on this...if I install XP and it presumably has no
> > >>>>>>>>>>> drivers...will it ask for say "chip-set" driver and you putin another
> > >>>>>>>>>>> CD?
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dell does list the XP drivers (Inspiron 1545) but there aremultiple
> > >>>>>>>>>>> files for many items.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Bob
> > >>>>>>>>>> XP installs basic default drivers for any chipsets for whichdrivers are
> > >>>>>>>>>> not on the install CD/DVD (the latter for Media Edition.) *It's all a
> > >>>>>>>>>> question of timing. *XP was released in 2001, XP Media in 2005. *Any
> > >>>>>>>>>> chipset initially shipped after the XP CD/DVD was produced will probably
> > >>>>>>>>>> (99+% chance) not have drivers. *The system runs with the default
> > >>>>>>>>>> drivers, but in a greatly degraded mode with vanilla defaultvideo, hard
> > >>>>>>>>>> drive and optical drive drivers. *XP does not nag you for drivers for
> > >>>>>>>>>> all the little yellow exclamation points in Device Manager.
> > >>>>>>>>>> You get the chocolate chip flavor of driver from either the Dell web
> > >>>>>>>>>> site or the web site of the chipset manufacturer. *Dell has an extensive
> > >>>>>>>>>> (perhaps the most extensive) driver collection on its web site, so you
> > >>>>>>>>>> go to the support section, select the model or enter the service tag,
> > >>>>>>>>>> select your operating system and download the drivers one ata time.
> > >>>>>>>>>> To get best results, you MUST install the motherboard chipset driver
> > >>>>>>>>>> first. *After that, you can do video, Ethernet, wifi, audio, touchpad,
> > >>>>>>>>>> etc in most any order until all the exclamation points go away.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Save yourself some time and do not reboot the system after each driver
> > >>>>>>>>>> installation finishes, except for the most important motherboard chipset
> > >>>>>>>>>> driver... Ben Myers
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks Ben, so XP WILL install and then install chipset and the
> > >>>>>>>>> rest...got ya!
> > >>>>>>>> Yes, unlike earlier Win 95/98/ME, you can install Windows 2000/XP/Vista
> > >>>>>>>> and get the system sort of running without the right device drivers, and
> > >>>>>>>> have both optical drive and flash drive available to use install the
> > >>>>>>>> drivers.
> > >>>>>>>> back in the dark Win 9x days of the last century, sometimes the system
> > >>>>>>>> would end up not recognizing a CD-ROM drive under Windows. *This left
> > >>>>>>>> you in a quandry as to what to do to install some drivers. *Microsoft
> > >>>>>>>> has made some progress with Windows in the last 20+ years (I went to the
> > >>>>>>>> Windows 1.03 seminar in 1985) with a lot of trial and error and millions
> > >>>>>>>> of human guinea pigs to try out the software... Ben Myers
> > >>>>>>> Should I be concerned about SATA? *I know the HDD uses it...not sure
> > >>>>>>> about the DVD/RW.
> > >>>>>>> As WSZsr has stated...that could be a stumbling block. *Both Dell XP
> > >>>>>>> versions I have are SP1 and I have a disk for SP2.
> > >>>>>>> bv
> > >>>>>> Yes, be concerned about SATA. *Very much! *Chances are the DVD/RW is
> > >>>>>> PATA. *If your system has a floppy drive, you can use the decidedly
> > >>>>>> retro (so last century! I cannot understand though why XP does not
> > >>>>>> support older 8" floppy diskette drives. ) approach of finding the
> > >>>>>> necessary SATA drivers somewhere, starting up SP1 and inserting a floppy
> > >>>>>> with some SATA stuff when the installer asked you to press F6. *I have
> > >>>>>> never suffered through this, so I cannot begin to tell you how exactly
> > >>>>>> to do it... Ben- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> > >>>>> The Dell site lists the DVD/RW as SATA and has no floppy
> > >>>>> (3.5,5.25,or8")...so I guess flashdrive will work...I hope!
> > >>>> Flash drive will NOT work. *Thank Bill Gates & Co for their unbelievable
> > >>>> stupidity. *A floppy is the ONLY way to load drivers after pressing
> > >>>> F6!!! *State of the art feature... Ben
> > >>> Hey, I found an old laptop floppy in the basement...have no idea if
> > >>> there is a place to connect it!
> > >>> Side note: the daughter is starting to like Ubuntu...all may not be
> > >>> lost!
> > >> Bob, I haven't followed this thread but if you need a floppy drive,
> > >> you can always buy a usb external floppy (around $18 or so).
>
> > > But if it won't handle a USB flashdrive...would it work with USB
> > > floppy?
>
> > Because that is the way the dummies from Microsoft did it. *Or were they
> > being cunning to make it more difficult for all of us???
>
> > This is not a hardware problem. *It is strictly the way the Microsofties
> > wrote the XP install program... Ben Myers
>
> I thought I used a USB mouse when I did an install...but this wouldn't
> mean it would recognize a drive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wonder if you can burn a disc of XP and include SATA drivers in that
burn!?

On Jun 27, 6:16*pm, RnR <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:54:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob Villa
>
>
>
> <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 27, 8:07*am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 26, 7:50*pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Bob Villa wrote:
> >> > > On Jun 25, 10:19 pm, RnR <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob Villa
>
> >> > >> <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>> On Jun 25, 3:19 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > >>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> > >>>>> On Jun 25, 11:41 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>> On Jun 24, 10:44 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 9:27 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there be problems with hardware drivers?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> b_v
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not. *If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ... Ben Myers
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I am a bit cloudy on this...if I install XP and it presumably has no
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> drivers...will it ask for say "chip-set" driver and you put in another
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> CD?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dell does list the XP drivers (Inspiron 1545) but there are multiple
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> files for many items.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Bob
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> XP installs basic default drivers for any chipsets for which drivers are
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> not on the install CD/DVD (the latter for Media Edition.)*It's all a
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> question of timing. *XP was released in 2001, XP Media in 2005. *Any
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> chipset initially shipped after the XP CD/DVD was produced will probably
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> (99+% chance) not have drivers. *The system runs with the default
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> drivers, but in a greatly degraded mode with vanilla default video, hard
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> drive and optical drive drivers. *XP does not nag you for drivers for
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> all the little yellow exclamation points in Device Manager.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> You get the chocolate chip flavor of driver from either the Dell web
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> site or the web site of the chipset manufacturer. *Dellhas an extensive
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> (perhaps the most extensive) driver collection on its website, so you
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> go to the support section, select the model or enter the service tag,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> select your operating system and download the drivers oneat a time.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> To get best results, you MUST install the motherboard chipset driver
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> first. *After that, you can do video, Ethernet, wifi, audio, touchpad,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> etc in most any order until all the exclamation points goaway.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Save yourself some time and do not reboot the system after each driver
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> installation finishes, except for the most important motherboard chipset
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> driver... Ben Myers
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks Ben, so XP WILL install and then install chipset and the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> rest...got ya!
> >> > >>>>>>>> Yes, unlike earlier Win 95/98/ME, you can install Windows 2000/XP/Vista
> >> > >>>>>>>> and get the system sort of running without the right devicedrivers, and
> >> > >>>>>>>> have both optical drive and flash drive available to use install the
> >> > >>>>>>>> drivers.
> >> > >>>>>>>> back in the dark Win 9x days of the last century, sometimesthe system
> >> > >>>>>>>> would end up not recognizing a CD-ROM drive under Windows. *This left
> >> > >>>>>>>> you in a quandry as to what to do to install some drivers. *Microsoft
> >> > >>>>>>>> has made some progress with Windows in the last 20+ years (I went to the
> >> > >>>>>>>> Windows 1.03 seminar in 1985) with a lot of trial and errorand millions
> >> > >>>>>>>> of human guinea pigs to try out the software... Ben Myers
> >> > >>>>>>> Should I be concerned about SATA? *I know the HDD uses it....not sure
> >> > >>>>>>> about the DVD/RW.
> >> > >>>>>>> As WSZsr has stated...that could be a stumbling block. *Both Dell XP
> >> > >>>>>>> versions I have are SP1 and I have a disk for SP2.
> >> > >>>>>>> bv
> >> > >>>>>> Yes, be concerned about SATA. *Very much! *Chances are the DVD/RW is
> >> > >>>>>> PATA. *If your system has a floppy drive, you can use the decidedly
> >> > >>>>>> retro (so last century! I cannot understand though why XP does not
> >> > >>>>>> support older 8" floppy diskette drives. ) approach of finding the
> >> > >>>>>> necessary SATA drivers somewhere, starting up SP1 and inserting a floppy
> >> > >>>>>> with some SATA stuff when the installer asked you to press F6.. *I have
> >> > >>>>>> never suffered through this, so I cannot begin to tell you how exactly
> >> > >>>>>> to do it... Ben- Hide quoted text -
> >> > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >> > >>>>> The Dell site lists the DVD/RW as SATA and has no floppy
> >> > >>>>> (3.5,5.25,or8")...so I guess flashdrive will work...I hope!
> >> > >>>> Flash drive will NOT work. *Thank Bill Gates & Co for their unbelievable
> >> > >>>> stupidity. *A floppy is the ONLY way to load drivers after pressing
> >> > >>>> F6!!! *State of the art feature... Ben
> >> > >>> Hey, I found an old laptop floppy in the basement...have no ideaif
> >> > >>> there is a place to connect it!
> >> > >>> Side note: the daughter is starting to like Ubuntu...all may notbe
> >> > >>> lost!
> >> > >> Bob, I haven't followed this thread but if you need a floppy drive,
> >> > >> you can always buy a usb external floppy (around $18 or so).
>
> >> > > But if it won't handle a USB flashdrive...would it work with USB
> >> > > floppy?
>
> >> > Because that is the way the dummies from Microsoft did it. *Or were they
> >> > being cunning to make it more difficult for all of us???
>
> >> > This is not a hardware problem. *It is strictly the way the Microsofties
> >> > wrote the XP install program... Ben Myers
>
> >> I thought I used a USB mouse when I did an install...but this wouldn't
> >> mean it would recognize a drive.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >I wonder if you can burn a disc of XP and include SATA drivers in that
> >burn!?
>
> Does this help....http://news.softpedia.com/news/Insta...TA-Without-a-F...

Thanks for that!

bob_v

On Jun 14, 11:23*am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> Bob Villa wrote:
> > If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> > there be problems with hardware drivers?
> > TIA
>
> > b_v
>
> Probably not. *If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
>
> ... Ben Myers

Did M$ leave-out a generic SATA driver from SP3? Shame!

bob_v

"Bob Villa" <> wrote in message
news:a78e4c55-95b2-47f4-9d6c-...
On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> Bob Villa wrote:
> > If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> > there be problems with hardware drivers?
> > TIA
>
> > b_v
>
> Probably not. If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
>
> ... Ben Myers

Did M$ leave-out a generic SATA driver from SP3? Shame!

bob_v


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Negative.

Unlike SP2, I was able to setup a clean install w/RAID1 using an XP Pro SP3
disc; a trick I hadn't been able to pull off until that time.

My system (XPS420 desktop) was never sold from the factory with anything
other than WinVistaHomePrem.

The SATA drivers are there in SP3.

-Stew

On Jul 1, 12:56*pm, "S.Lewis" <Gossa...@interesting.com> wrote:
> "Bob Villa" <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a78e4c55-95b2-47f4-9d6c-...
> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > Bob Villa wrote:
> > > If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
> > > there be problems with hardware drivers?
> > > TIA
>
> > > b_v
>
> > Probably not. If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
> > identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
> > and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
>
> > ... Ben Myers
>
> Did M$ leave-out a generic SATA driver from SP3? Shame!
>
> bob_v
>
>
>
> Negative.
>
> Unlike SP2, I was able to setup a clean install w/RAID1 using an XP Pro SP3
> disc; *a trick I hadn't been able to pull off until that time.
>
> My system (XPS420 desktop) was never sold from the factory with anything
> other than WinVistaHomePrem.
>
> The SATA drivers are there in SP3.
>
> -Stew

And I believe there is a way to merge (slipstream) SP3 into a burn of
XP.
Thanks,
bob_v

Bob Villa wrote:
> On Jun 14, 11:23 am, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>> If I need to change the OS to XP (on a new Dell 15n notebook) will
>>> there be problems with hardware drivers?
>>> TIA
>>> b_v
>> Probably not. If the Dell web site does not have them, you have to
>> identify all the chipsets (motherboard, graphics, audio, wifi, Ethernet
>> and modem) and download the drivers from the chipset mfrs' web sites.
>>
>> ... Ben Myers
>
> Did M$ leave-out a generic SATA driver from SP3? Shame!
>
> bob_v

Nope. Windows XP (Home, Pro or Media Center) has drivers for SATA
drives in SP2 and SP3. But not "classic" XP (like classic Coke, right?)
or XP w/SP1... Ben Myers