Noobie question. Use an AIW8500DV or ATI 9200 w/TV Tuner?

I'm upgrading my Radeon AIW card to one of the above cards. Which one would
you use, and why?

Clint

"Clint" <> wrote in message
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> I'm upgrading my Radeon AIW card to one of the above cards. Which one
would
> you use, and why?
The straight 8500 and AIW 8500 is a great card, but the AIW 8500DV is
clocked a lot slower for GPU and memory speeds. Speed is 275/550 GPU/memory
for the normal 8500 64Mb/128 Mb and AIW 8500 128Mb; the AIW 8500DV is down
at 230/380. This is a substantial drop. It's still a lot better than any
9200 or 9000 AIW card, even though they may be clocked faster than the
8500DV. The big difference is that all 8500/9100's use the R200 GPU which
processes 2 textures per pass. The 9000/9200's use a crippled version, the
R250, which can only do 1 texture per cycle. A better choice is the actual
ATI 8500 AIW 128Mb card. They run with ease at 300/600 and will flog the DV
version at any task.

You can't get a new 8500 series card anymore. I have just recently had a
8500LE gone dead on me.

Beside, 9200/9000 cards do have only 1 tex unit per cycle, but their shaders
are somewhat faster and more stable than 8500. I read it on Tom's i think.
So go for 9200 if you get a good 2-3 year warranti with it.

"Augustus" <> wrote in message
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>
> "Clint" <> wrote in message
> news:r7dkc.312962$Ig.92494@pd7tw2no...
> > I'm upgrading my Radeon AIW card to one of the above cards. Which one
> would
> > you use, and why?
> The straight 8500 and AIW 8500 is a great card, but the AIW 8500DV is
> clocked a lot slower for GPU and memory speeds. Speed is 275/550
GPU/memory
> for the normal 8500 64Mb/128 Mb and AIW 8500 128Mb; the AIW 8500DV is down
> at 230/380. This is a substantial drop. It's still a lot better than any
> 9200 or 9000 AIW card, even though they may be clocked faster than the
> 8500DV. The big difference is that all 8500/9100's use the R200 GPU which
> processes 2 textures per pass. The 9000/9200's use a crippled version, the
> R250, which can only do 1 texture per cycle. A better choice is the actual
> ATI 8500 AIW 128Mb card. They run with ease at 300/600 and will flog the
DV
> version at any task.
>
>

Oh, and that 8500LE that went bad on me, had bought it from online auction.
Only about 2-3 months old, no warranti. So had to plain throw it away.

"Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
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> You can't get a new 8500 series card anymore. I have just recently had a
> 8500LE gone dead on me.
>
> Beside, 9200/9000 cards do have only 1 tex unit per cycle, but their
shaders
> are somewhat faster and more stable than 8500. I read it on Tom's i think.
> So go for 9200 if you get a good 2-3 year warranti with it.

True, they're not available new anymore. But there's plenty of 8500's
available in great condition on Ebay. Simply because your used LE died after
3 months isn't indicative of typical quality. I've bought 2 over the last 6
months...one for me and one for my wife. Both are still working fine. Try
benching an 8500 128Mb against a 9200 or 9000 128Mb. The 8500 will get
scores 50 to 100% higher. On my Barton 2500 @ 3200 my 8500 does just under
12,000 in 3D Mark 2001 SE.

Both cards are used, so warranty probably isn't available in either case.

I guess my thinking was the 8500 might be a little faster, but the 9200/TV
Tuner combination means I can upgrade the video card portion later without
worrying about getting another AIW card (i.e. 9800 pro).

Clint

"Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
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> You can't get a new 8500 series card anymore. I have just recently had a
> 8500LE gone dead on me.
>
> Beside, 9200/9000 cards do have only 1 tex unit per cycle, but their
shaders
> are somewhat faster and more stable than 8500. I read it on Tom's i think.
> So go for 9200 if you get a good 2-3 year warranti with it.
>
> "Augustus" <> wrote in message
> news:YLdkc.31062$i61.14908@clgrps13...
> >
> > "Clint" <> wrote in message
> > news:r7dkc.312962$Ig.92494@pd7tw2no...
> > > I'm upgrading my Radeon AIW card to one of the above cards. Which one
> > would
> > > you use, and why?
> > The straight 8500 and AIW 8500 is a great card, but the AIW 8500DV is
> > clocked a lot slower for GPU and memory speeds. Speed is 275/550
> GPU/memory
> > for the normal 8500 64Mb/128 Mb and AIW 8500 128Mb; the AIW 8500DV is
down
> > at 230/380. This is a substantial drop. It's still a lot better than
any
> > 9200 or 9000 AIW card, even though they may be clocked faster than the
> > 8500DV. The big difference is that all 8500/9100's use the R200 GPU
which
> > processes 2 textures per pass. The 9000/9200's use a crippled version,
the
> > R250, which can only do 1 texture per cycle. A better choice is the
actual
> > ATI 8500 AIW 128Mb card. They run with ease at 300/600 and will flog the
> DV
> > version at any task.
> >
> >
>
>

Considering that HDTV will be the norm in just a few years, I would settle
on a separate TV / 3D card unless you plan on only using an AIW card for two
years or so.

"Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
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> You can't get a new 8500 series card anymore. I have just recently had a
> 8500LE gone dead on me.
>
> Beside, 9200/9000 cards do have only 1 tex unit per cycle, but their
shaders
> are somewhat faster and more stable than 8500. I read it on Tom's i think.
> So go for 9200 if you get a good 2-3 year warranti with it.
>
> "Augustus" <> wrote in message
> news:YLdkc.31062$i61.14908@clgrps13...
> >
> > "Clint" <> wrote in message
> > news:r7dkc.312962$Ig.92494@pd7tw2no...
> > > I'm upgrading my Radeon AIW card to one of the above cards. Which one
> > would
> > > you use, and why?
> > The straight 8500 and AIW 8500 is a great card, but the AIW 8500DV is
> > clocked a lot slower for GPU and memory speeds. Speed is 275/550
> GPU/memory
> > for the normal 8500 64Mb/128 Mb and AIW 8500 128Mb; the AIW 8500DV is
down
> > at 230/380. This is a substantial drop. It's still a lot better than
any
> > 9200 or 9000 AIW card, even though they may be clocked faster than the
> > 8500DV. The big difference is that all 8500/9100's use the R200 GPU
which
> > processes 2 textures per pass. The 9000/9200's use a crippled version,
the
> > R250, which can only do 1 texture per cycle. A better choice is the
actual
> > ATI 8500 AIW 128Mb card. They run with ease at 300/600 and will flog the
> DV
> > version at any task.
> >
> >
>
>

Not a bad choice.

"Gonzo" <> wrote in message
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> Considering that HDTV will be the norm in just a few years, I would
settle
> on a separate TV / 3D card unless you plan on only using an AIW card for
two
> years or so.
>
> "Asestar" <a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o> wrote in message
> news:O6ekc.81135$...
> > You can't get a new 8500 series card anymore. I have just recently had a
> > 8500LE gone dead on me.
> >
> > Beside, 9200/9000 cards do have only 1 tex unit per cycle, but their
> shaders
> > are somewhat faster and more stable than 8500. I read it on Tom's i
think.
> > So go for 9200 if you get a good 2-3 year warranti with it.
> >
> > "Augustus" <> wrote in message
> > news:YLdkc.31062$i61.14908@clgrps13...
> > >
> > > "Clint" <> wrote in message
> > > news:r7dkc.312962$Ig.92494@pd7tw2no...
> > > > I'm upgrading my Radeon AIW card to one of the above cards. Which
one
> > > would
> > > > you use, and why?
> > > The straight 8500 and AIW 8500 is a great card, but the AIW 8500DV is
> > > clocked a lot slower for GPU and memory speeds. Speed is 275/550
> > GPU/memory
> > > for the normal 8500 64Mb/128 Mb and AIW 8500 128Mb; the AIW 8500DV is
> down
> > > at 230/380. This is a substantial drop. It's still a lot better than
> any
> > > 9200 or 9000 AIW card, even though they may be clocked faster than the
> > > 8500DV. The big difference is that all 8500/9100's use the R200 GPU
> which
> > > processes 2 textures per pass. The 9000/9200's use a crippled version,
> the
> > > R250, which can only do 1 texture per cycle. A better choice is the
> actual
> > > ATI 8500 AIW 128Mb card. They run with ease at 300/600 and will flog
the
> > DV
> > > version at any task.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>