Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel

http://tinyurl.com/3htnuq

I've never heard Jen-Hsun go on about Intel like that in a conference
call before.

He must truly be worried about Intel's upcoming Larrabee
architecture.

I think Larrabee scares the living **** out of him.

On Apr 11, 12:52 am, NV55 <nvidian...@mail.com> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/3htnuq
>
> I've never heard Jen-Hsun go on about Intel like that in a conference
> call before.
>
> He must truly be worried about Intel's upcoming Larrabee
> architecture.
>
> I think Larrabee scares the living **** out of him.



Larrabee is nothing. Huang was right to say that Larabee, which will
come out to the market in 2010, is inferior to current crop of low-end
GPU, such as Radeon HD 2600, which has a whooping 120 stream
processors !

If you take account of the top GPUs that is available today, all
equipped with 512 stream processors (and more!), Larrabee, with its
puny 16-core, is nothing.

By 2010, top-of-the-line GPU would have 1K or more processors embedded
inside. How long would it take Intel to come up with 1K-core
Larrabee??

Stop and think. Don't buy into Intel's FUD.

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:21:06 -0700 (PDT), pg <>
wrote:

>On Apr 11, 12:52 am, NV55 <nvidian...@mail.com> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3htnuq
>>
>> I've never heard Jen-Hsun go on about Intel like that in a conference
>> call before.
>>
>> He must truly be worried about Intel's upcoming Larrabee
>> architecture.
>>
>> I think Larrabee scares the living **** out of him.
>
>
>
>Larrabee is nothing. Huang was right to say that Larabee, which will
>come out to the market in 2010, is inferior to current crop of low-end
>GPU, such as Radeon HD 2600, which has a whooping 120 stream
>processors !
>
>If you take account of the top GPUs that is available today, all
>equipped with 512 stream processors (and more!), Larrabee, with its
>puny 16-core, is nothing.
>
>By 2010, top-of-the-line GPU would have 1K or more processors embedded
>inside. How long would it take Intel to come up with 1K-core
>Larrabee??
>
>Stop and think. Don't buy into Intel's FUD.

It's the same old Intel standard, 80+% is based on Marketing/Hype/Stolen
Patents, -20% is actual R&D. They'll do and say anything to keep their
stock price up.

Only thing Jen-Hsun is scared of is the long arm of Intels marketing,
it's hard to compete when you're dealing with brainwashed consumers.

Intel hasn't made a decent integrated graphics chip to date, but I do
hope Larry is better, good GPU competition can only give us consumers
better products at lower prices. As long as Intel does it legally that
is.

Ed <> writes:
> Intel hasn't made a decent integrated graphics chip to date

Eh? My work pc has some kind of old intel integrated graphics (i845?)
and it's just fine, does a very decent job of running opengl apps etc.
Newer chips are supposedly much faster (and the upcoming generation even
better of course). Intel knows their market.

I suppose gamers want something much studlier, but what intel makes is
fine for normal use.

Intel's also made a lot of friends because of their very open attitude
-- while nvidia is _still_ pulling the "no you can't have the specs that
allow you to support our hardware" bullshit. [They'll come around
eventually, but in the meantime it sure as hell isn't making them look
any better.]

In any case, the Nvidia guy's rant seemed pretty pathetic... If he wants
to project confidence, that was exactly the way _not_ to do it.

-Miles

--
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:06:39 +0900, Miles Bader <> wrote:

>Ed <> writes:
>> Intel hasn't made a decent integrated graphics chip to date
>
>Eh? My work pc has some kind of old intel integrated graphics (i845?)

Some of our work PCs have Intel graphics, they pretty much suck IMO.

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:03:17 -0500, "Shawn" <> wrote:

>
>Onboard video GPUs almost always suck at high end games. Good for the office
>but bad for the battlefield.
>

Intel integrated GPUs aren't even good for most 2D office apps, forget
3D!

"chrisv" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Ed wrote:
>
>>Intel integrated GPUs aren't even good for most 2D office apps,
>
> How do you figure that? Seems to work fine for me.
>
They do work fine for what they are designed to do, basic 2d and 3d
rendering. The more complex the video needs, the worse the performance.
Nvidia will be around a long time in their market. These are two completely
different markets.


Ed

Ed <> writes:
>>> Intel hasn't made a decent integrated graphics chip to date
>>
>>Eh? My work pc has some kind of old intel integrated graphics (i845?)
>
> Some of our work PCs have Intel graphics, they pretty much suck IMO.

Do you have anything to back up such a broad claim?

As I said in the text you omitted in your quoting, Intel's embedded
chips -- even the low-end ones -- seem to work absolutely fine for many
tasks that that need some 3d/opengl support to work sanely (blender,
compiz, etc). Not the best for gaming certainly, but many, many, uses
of 3d have nothing to do with gaming.

Of course the (low-end!) intel cards in question also work great for 2d.
(something which you, bizarrely denied in a subsequent post).

[Note that the reason I know those apps "need" 3d support to work sanely
is because I've tried them on systems with a 2d-only card... not fun... :-]

-Miles

--
Scriptures, n. The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from
the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based.

On Apr 21, 4:33 pm, Mike Smith
<smithREMOVETHI...@michaelREMOVETHISsmith.org> wrote:
> Ed wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:03:17 -0500, "Shawn" <diske...@floppy.drv> wrote:
>
> >> Onboard video GPUs almost always suck at high end games. Good for the office
> >> but bad for the battlefield.
>
> > Intel integrated GPUs aren't even good for most 2D office apps, forget
> > 3D!
>
> Like what? The X3100 in my machine does just fine with Autodesk
> Inventor; it certainly doesn't have any trouble with Word or Excel or
> Visual Studio, etc. So, um, are you just trolling, perhaps?
>
> --
> Mike Smith


For me, office apps means visual simulation and virtual conferences.
On board video chips just can't hack that.