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David Arnstein
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      02-07-2007, 12:53 AM


I just put in my order for a Dell XPS 710. It will replace a Dell XPS
that is almost four years old. I will start the new PC with the same
operating system as the old one: Windows XP Professional.

On my old computer, I have tons of software installed, and I also have
EXCELLENT backups. My personal obsession.

On my new computer, I am going to wipe out Dell's disk and format
everything as dynamic disks, in a RAID-0 configuration. I have heard
that there is BIOS support for this. I also realize that the performance
benefits will be modest. I want to learn and experiment. But I don't
want to blow away my data!

Anyway, I am going to try a somewhat wacky procedure to transfer data
from my old PC to the new one. My goal is to avoid re-installing and
customizing all of the software that I have been using for years and
years. Here is my fiendish plan:

1. Install device drivers for the NEW computer onto the OLD computer.
Most important: chipset, video driver, disk controller driver (if
any), ethernet driver.

2. Backup the old computer. Twice. I told you, this is my personal
obsession. Did I mention that I own three identical backup disks?

3. Format two identical disks on the new computer to have all
partitions as RAID-0 dynamic volumes.

4. Install Windows XP onto the new computer.

5. Install backup software onto the new computer.

6. Launch backup software onto the new computer and do a full
restore!!!. No, I am not using image based backup, so this might even
work.

7. Reboot the new computer and see what works.

8. (Optional) Give up, and start over again with some other dubious
scheme. The POWER of BACKUP, my friend.

9. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Go ahead and heap scorn on my plan, that's what I want. I thank you in
advance for your words of wisdom.
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paulmd@efn.org
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      02-07-2007, 03:37 AM
On Feb 6, 4:53 pm, arnst...@panix.com (David Arnstein) wrote:
> I just put in my order for a Dell XPS 710. It will replace a Dell XPS
> that is almost four years old. I will start the new PC with the same
> operating system as the old one: Windows XP Professional.
>
> On my old computer, I have tons of software installed, and I also have
> EXCELLENT backups. My personal obsession.
>
> On my new computer, I am going to wipe out Dell's disk and format
> everything as dynamic disks, in a RAID-0 configuration. I have heard
> that there is BIOS support for this. I also realize that the performance
> benefits will be modest. I want to learn and experiment. But I don't
> want to blow away my data!
>
> Anyway, I am going to try a somewhat wacky procedure to transfer data
> from my old PC to the new one. My goal is to avoid re-installing and
> customizing all of the software that I have been using for years and
> years. Here is my fiendish plan:
>
> 1. Install device drivers for the NEW computer onto the OLD computer.
> Most important: chipset, video driver, disk controller driver (if
> any), ethernet driver.
>
> 2. Backup the old computer. Twice. I told you, this is my personal
> obsession. Did I mention that I own three identical backup disks?
>
> 3. Format two identical disks on the new computer to have all
> partitions as RAID-0 dynamic volumes.
>
> 4. Install Windows XP onto the new computer.
>
> 5. Install backup software onto the new computer.
>
> 6. Launch backup software onto the new computer and do a full
> restore!!!. No, I am not using image based backup, so this might even
> work.
>
> 7. Reboot the new computer and see what works.
>
> 8. (Optional) Give up, and start over again with some other dubious
> scheme. The POWER of BACKUP, my friend.
>
> 9. Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
> Go ahead and heap scorn on my plan, that's what I want. I thank you in
> advance for your words of wisdom.
> --
> David Arnstein (00)
> arnstein+use...@pobox.com {{ }}
> ^^


As long as you have backup, you can experiment to your heart's
content. In fact, it's a great way to learn.

 
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Tom Scales
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      02-07-2007, 10:54 AM

<> wrote in message
news: oups.com...
>
> As long as you have backup, you can experiment to your heart's
> content. In fact, it's a great way to learn.
>


It is a great way to learn, but I'd bet $20 it won't work. The HAL for your
old computer is single CPU and the HAL for your new computer is dual CPU.

Also, you don't want dynamic disks if you're using Raid 0. Dynamic disks
let you merge disks 'Raid 0 like'. Since the Raid controller has already
done that, you don't need XP having the overhead of doing it too.

Enjoy!

Tom


 
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David Arnstein
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      02-07-2007, 07:30 PM
In article <45c9afd2$0$29756$>,
Tom Scales <> wrote:
>It is a great way to learn, but I'd bet $20 it won't work. The HAL for your
>old computer is single CPU and the HAL for your new computer is dual CPU.


Makes sense to me.

>Also, you don't want dynamic disks if you're using Raid 0. Dynamic disks
>let you merge disks 'Raid 0 like'. Since the Raid controller has already
>done that, you don't need XP having the overhead of doing it too.


Thank you for this suggestion. I am going to follow it.
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Tom Scales
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      02-07-2007, 07:49 PM

"David Arnstein" <> wrote in message
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> In article <45c9afd2$0$29756$>,
> Tom Scales <> wrote:
>>It is a great way to learn, but I'd bet $20 it won't work. The HAL for
>>your
>>old computer is single CPU and the HAL for your new computer is dual CPU.

>
> Makes sense to me.
>
>>Also, you don't want dynamic disks if you're using Raid 0. Dynamic disks
>>let you merge disks 'Raid 0 like'. Since the Raid controller has already
>>done that, you don't need XP having the overhead of doing it too.

>
> Thank you for this suggestion. I am going to follow it.
> --
> David Arnstein (00)
> arnstein+ {{ }}
> ^^


On the 9200, changing the controller from ATA to Raid, EVEN WITH ONE HARD
DRIVE, requires an OS install.


 
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smueller@lockstep.com
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      02-07-2007, 10:15 PM
On Feb 6, 5:53 pm, (David Arnstein) wrote:
> I just put in my order for a Dell XPS 710. It will replace a Dell XPS
> that is almost four years old. I will start the new PC with the same
> operating system as the old one: Windows XP Professional.
>
> On my old computer, I have tons ofsoftwareinstalled, and I also have
> EXCELLENT backups. My personal obsession.
>
> On my new computer, I am going to wipe out Dell's disk and format
> everything as dynamic disks, in a RAID-0 configuration. I have heard
> that there is BIOS support for this. I also realize that the performance
> benefits will be modest. I want to learn and experiment. But I don't
> want to blow away my data!
>
> Anyway, I am going to try a somewhat wacky procedure to transfer data
> from my old PC to the new one. My goal is to avoid re-installing and
> customizing all of thesoftwarethat I have been using for years and
> years. Here is my fiendish plan:
>
> 1. Install device drivers for the NEW computer onto the OLD computer.
> Most important: chipset, video driver, disk controller driver (if
> any), ethernet driver.
>
> 2. Backupthe old computer. Twice. I told you, this is my personal
> obsession. Did I mention that I own three identicalbackupdisks?
>
> 3. Format two identical disks on the new computer to have all
> partitions as RAID-0 dynamic volumes.
>
> 4. Install Windows XP onto the new computer.
>
> 5. Installbackupsoftwareonto the new computer.
>
> 6. Launchbackupsoftwareonto the new computer and do a full
> restore!!!. No, I am not using image basedbackup, so this might even
> work.
>
> 7. Reboot the new computer and see what works.
>
> 8. (Optional) Give up, and start over again with some other dubious
> scheme. The POWER ofBACKUP, my friend.
>
> 9. Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
> Go ahead and heap scorn on my plan, that's what I want. I thank you in
> advance for your words of wisdom.
> --
> David Arnstein (00)
> arnstein+ {{ }}
> ^^


David,

First of all, do not install the drivers for the NEW computer on the
OLD computer. The reason why you should avoid doing this is because
your OLD computer is running fine and the drivers of the new computer
could interfere with the operation of the OLD computer.

What you should do is backup the old computer using a backup program
that can support cross-hardware restoration. You mention that you are
backing up - but fail to mention the name of the program. Then you
can restore your old computer to the new computer using a cross-
hardware restoration which will prioritize the drivers of the new
computer over the old drivers. To do so, you set up the new computer
with the same version of Windows (including the same service pack
level - but not necessarily all the auto-updates), leave the new
computer drivers alone so the new computer is running normally. When
you restore the old computer contents to the new computer, you need to
instruct the backup program that you are crossing hardware during the
restoration process. Our Backup for Workgroups software allows you to
do this. You will need to check with the manufacturer of your backup
software to see if they have a comparable feature.

In addition - a post about the RAID mentions that there is no need to
have both a RAID controller and a dynamic disk setup in RAID. Pick
one solution - you do not need 2 going at the same time. Either use
the hardware RAID or the dynamic disk, but not both simultaneously -
you are creating redundant overhead.

Hope this is helpful.

Sally Mueller with the help of Karl Forster, developer of Backup for
Workgroups at Lockstep Systems, Inc.





 
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David Arnstein
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      02-07-2007, 10:39 PM
In article < .com>,
<> wrote:
>What you should do is backup the old computer using a backup program
>that can support cross-hardware restoration. You mention that you are
>backing up - but fail to mention the name of the program. Then you
>can restore your old computer to the new computer using a cross-
>hardware restoration which will prioritize the drivers of the new
>computer over the old drivers. To do so, you set up the new computer
>with the same version of Windows (including the same service pack
>level - but not necessarily all the auto-updates), leave the new
>computer drivers alone so the new computer is running normally. When
>you restore the old computer contents to the new computer, you need to
>instruct the backup program that you are crossing hardware during the
>restoration process. Our Backup for Workgroups software allows you to
>do this. You will need to check with the manufacturer of your backup
>software to see if they have a comparable feature.


That's a nice feature. I am using Retrospect 7.5. I don't think it has
this capability. I will look into this though.

>In addition - a post about the RAID mentions that there is no need to
>have both a RAID controller and a dynamic disk setup in RAID. Pick
>one solution - you do not need 2 going at the same time. Either use
>the hardware RAID or the dynamic disk, but not both simultaneously -
>you are creating redundant overhead.


Agreed.
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