OT-- should I defrag???

>>>>> Journey writes:

Journey> On Sun, 6 May 2007 20:05:32 -0400, "MZB" <>
wrote>

>> I have an Inspiron 2200-- 33 gb hard drive--about 14 gb free.
>>
>> I use Windows defrag every so often (about every 2-3 months I use the
>> analyze function and if it recommends defrag I'll do it).
>>
>> My question: should I?? It's a pain in the butt-- it seems to take a couple
>> of hours (it seems to stall at 10% but then eventually finishes).
>>
>> I haven't noticed a great deterioration in performance.
>>
>> So should I bother to defrag.
>>
>> Is there a particular file fragmentation factor I should use in determining
>> whether or not to defrag?? (I think anything over 10% and the program
>> recommends defragging)
>>
>> Mel

Journey> I recommend defraging when you do any significant installations or
Journey> uninstalls. I also recommend defraging about once a week. It's a
Journey> pain but you can run it before you go to bed, although I have to admit
Journey> -- I have gotten mesmerized by the graphical display of the process,
Journey> especially back to the Windows 3.1 days :-)

Journey> If you have a cat, it also might find it interesting.

I just set up a weekly scheduled task for all my drives, keeps
them defragged with no user interaction.


--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.sys.pc-clone.dell...)

On 10 May 2007 07:52:58 -0400, <> wrote:

>>>>>> Journey writes:
>
> Journey> On Sun, 6 May 2007 20:05:32 -0400, "MZB" <>
> wrote>
>
> >> I have an Inspiron 2200-- 33 gb hard drive--about 14 gb free.
> >>
> >> I use Windows defrag every so often (about every 2-3 months I use the
> >> analyze function and if it recommends defrag I'll do it).
> >>
> >> My question: should I?? It's a pain in the butt-- it seems to take a couple
> >> of hours (it seems to stall at 10% but then eventually finishes).
> >>
> >> I haven't noticed a great deterioration in performance.
> >>
> >> So should I bother to defrag.
> >>
> >> Is there a particular file fragmentation factor I should use in determining
> >> whether or not to defrag?? (I think anything over 10% and the program
> >> recommends defragging)
> >>
> >> Mel
>
> Journey> I recommend defraging when you do any significant installations or
> Journey> uninstalls. I also recommend defraging about once a week. It's a
> Journey> pain but you can run it before you go to bed, although I have to admit
> Journey> -- I have gotten mesmerized by the graphical display of the process,
> Journey> especially back to the Windows 3.1 days :-)
>
> Journey> If you have a cat, it also might find it interesting.
>
>I just set up a weekly scheduled task for all my drives, keeps
>them defragged with no user interaction.
>
>
>--
>Andrew Hall

Hi Andrew, I like how you attribute your posts ("Journey>"). Do you
use any kind of tool or script to do that, or does your newsreader
help with that?

On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:15:40 -0500, Journey <>
posted:

Journey> Hi Andrew, I like how you attribute your posts
Journey> ("Journey>"). Do you use any kind of tool or script to do
Journey> that, or does your newsreader help with that?

You may as well step outside the norm on how you quote, too. Seems to
be catching.

But... while using Agent, did you notice that the quote isn't the
color of your choice? Being really cool has a price that others have
to pay.



on 7 May you posted:
"("Bookkeeper" is the only word in the English language with 3 double
letters in a row)"

Well, except for bookkeeping (and the plurals for both of those
words).

>>>>> Journey writes:

Journey> On 10 May 2007 07:52:58 -0400, <> wrote:
>>>>>>> Journey writes:
>>
Journey> On Sun, 6 May 2007 20:05:32 -0400, "MZB" <>
wrote>
>>
>> >> I have an Inspiron 2200-- 33 gb hard drive--about 14 gb free.
>> >>
>> >> I use Windows defrag every so often (about every 2-3 months I use the
>> >> analyze function and if it recommends defrag I'll do it).
>> >>
>> >> My question: should I?? It's a pain in the butt-- it seems to take a couple
>> >> of hours (it seems to stall at 10% but then eventually finishes).
>> >>
>> >> I haven't noticed a great deterioration in performance.
>> >>
>> >> So should I bother to defrag.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a particular file fragmentation factor I should use in determining
>> >> whether or not to defrag?? (I think anything over 10% and the program
>> >> recommends defragging)
>> >>
>> >> Mel
>>
Journey> I recommend defraging when you do any significant installations or
Journey> uninstalls. I also recommend defraging about once a week. It's a
Journey> pain but you can run it before you go to bed, although I have to admit
Journey> -- I have gotten mesmerized by the graphical display of the process,
Journey> especially back to the Windows 3.1 days :-)
>>
Journey> If you have a cat, it also might find it interesting.
>>
>> I just set up a weekly scheduled task for all my drives, keeps
>> them defragged with no user interaction.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Hall

Journey> Hi Andrew, I like how you attribute your posts ("Journey>"). Do you
Journey> use any kind of tool or script to do that, or does your newsreader
Journey> help with that?

It is the supercite package that you can add to Gnu Emacs.

It does get confused on long threads, but it is good for the
first couple go rounds.

ah


--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.sys.pc-clone.dell...)

On 10 May 2007 22:48:07 -0400, <> wrote:

>>>>>> Journey writes:
>
> Journey> On 10 May 2007 07:52:58 -0400, <> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Journey writes:
> >>
> Journey> On Sun, 6 May 2007 20:05:32 -0400, "MZB" <>
> wrote>
> >>
> >> >> I have an Inspiron 2200-- 33 gb hard drive--about 14 gb free.
> >> >>
> >> >> I use Windows defrag every so often (about every 2-3 months I use the
> >> >> analyze function and if it recommends defrag I'll do it).
> >> >>
> >> >> My question: should I?? It's a pain in the butt-- it seems to take a couple
> >> >> of hours (it seems to stall at 10% but then eventually finishes).
> >> >>
> >> >> I haven't noticed a great deterioration in performance.
> >> >>
> >> >> So should I bother to defrag.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there a particular file fragmentation factor I should use in determining
> >> >> whether or not to defrag?? (I think anything over 10% and the program
> >> >> recommends defragging)
> >> >>
> >> >> Mel
> >>
> Journey> I recommend defraging when you do any significant installations or
> Journey> uninstalls. I also recommend defraging about once a week. It's a
> Journey> pain but you can run it before you go to bed, although I have to admit
> Journey> -- I have gotten mesmerized by the graphical display of the process,
> Journey> especially back to the Windows 3.1 days :-)
> >>
> Journey> If you have a cat, it also might find it interesting.
> >>
> >> I just set up a weekly scheduled task for all my drives, keeps
> >> them defragged with no user interaction.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Hall
>
> Journey> Hi Andrew, I like how you attribute your posts ("Journey>"). Do you
> Journey> use any kind of tool or script to do that, or does your newsreader
> Journey> help with that?
>
>It is the supercite package that you can add to Gnu Emacs.
>
>It does get confused on long threads, but it is good for the
>first couple go rounds.
>
>ah

I like the way it quotes. It can get confusing when some people post
at the top, and some at the bottom. When I first came on the 'net in
1994, people were religious about how to do that. I have some really
good text editors (JEdit, Notetab Pro, Text Plus, and Ultra Edit -- I
should be able to come up with a good macro, or even a simple
stand-alone app in which I can paste text into a window, enter a quote
attribute, highlight the text, and have it attributed with the
contents of the text box. Hmmmmm, time to brush up on my .NET skills
maybe).

Ben Myers wrote:
> Sadly, I predict that Microsoft will either kill off any versions of the
> SysInternals tools for future Windows releases, or put a pretty retail cover on
> them and sell them in a cheap cardboard box as part of some Admin toolkit.
> They'll also mess them up by making it impossible to run them with older
> versions of Windows. This is how the borg assimilates. It's been done in the
> past. The best one can hope for is that all the Sysinternals programs will find
> their way into a full Windows release some day. This is a fool's dream, because
> Microsoft's long time tendency is to take away access to the internals of the
> system for the unwashed public.
>
Unfortunately I agree.

> Your defense is to download all the Sysinternals tools while you still can do so
> for free. Maybe some ftp site will archive copies of them for downloading.
>
I prefer my defense -- I just don't use Windows whenever possible. Also
even if MS did try and kill them off, they will never truly disappear as
long as they're still useful. Just look at DVD Shrink which was legally
forced to be removed but is trivial to find with a quick search or
perhaps more relevant to this case is all the home xbox apps illegally
compiled but again trivial to find for those who know where to look. I
believe what will really kill those tools is simply MS removing the
hooks they use in the OS in the future.

>>>>> Journey writes:

Journey> On 10 May 2007 22:48:07 -0400, <> wrote:
>>>>>>> Journey writes:
>>
Journey> On 10 May 2007 07:52:58 -0400, <> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Journey writes:
>> >>
Journey> On Sun, 6 May 2007 20:05:32 -0400, "MZB" <>
wrote>
>> >>
>> >> >> I have an Inspiron 2200-- 33 gb hard drive--about 14 gb free.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I use Windows defrag every so often (about every 2-3 months I use the
>> >> >> analyze function and if it recommends defrag I'll do it).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My question: should I?? It's a pain in the butt-- it seems to take a couple
>> >> >> of hours (it seems to stall at 10% but then eventually finishes).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I haven't noticed a great deterioration in performance.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So should I bother to defrag.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there a particular file fragmentation factor I should use in determining
>> >> >> whether or not to defrag?? (I think anything over 10% and the program
>> >> >> recommends defragging)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mel
>> >>
Journey> I recommend defraging when you do any significant installations or
Journey> uninstalls. I also recommend defraging about once a week. It's a
Journey> pain but you can run it before you go to bed, although I have to admit
Journey> -- I have gotten mesmerized by the graphical display of the process,
Journey> especially back to the Windows 3.1 days :-)
>> >>
Journey> If you have a cat, it also might find it interesting.
>> >>
>> >> I just set up a weekly scheduled task for all my drives, keeps
>> >> them defragged with no user interaction.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andrew Hall
>>
Journey> Hi Andrew, I like how you attribute your posts ("Journey>"). Do you
Journey> use any kind of tool or script to do that, or does your newsreader
Journey> help with that?
>>
>> It is the supercite package that you can add to Gnu Emacs.
>>
>> It does get confused on long threads, but it is good for the
>> first couple go rounds.
>>
>> ah

Journey> I like the way it quotes. It can get confusing when some people post
Journey> at the top, and some at the bottom. When I first came on the 'net in
Journey> 1994, people were religious about how to do that. I have some really
Journey> good text editors (JEdit, Notetab Pro, Text Plus, and Ultra Edit -- I
Journey> should be able to come up with a good macro, or even a simple
Journey> stand-alone app in which I can paste text into a window, enter a quote
Journey> attribute, highlight the text, and have it attributed with the
Journey> contents of the text box. Hmmmmm, time to brush up on my .NET skills
Journey> maybe).

Or just start using emacs (the "e" is for Extensible!). It is
an amazing program (or environment). I did almost every thing
under emacs when I was working... Now just usenet...


--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.sys.pc-clone.dell...)

On 12 May 2007 17:19:35 -0400, <> wrote:

>Or just start using emacs (the "e" is for Extensible!). It is
>an amazing program (or environment). I did almost every thing
>under emacs when I was working... Now just usenet...
>
>
>--
>Andrew Hall
>(Now reading Usenet in alt.sys.pc-clone.dell...)

emacs -- is that one of those Linux command-style word processors? If
not, I'm interested. If you have a download link that's cool
otherwise I can Google. Thanks!

emacs is a text editor that was implemented originally for the GE Multics
computers. It, along with the OS, was developed at MIT. Then someone got the
idea to rewrite it in C, make it open source and port it here and there. And
who else can remember Multics? Who else used Multics? ... Ben Myers

On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:08:33 -0500, Journey <> wrote:

>On 12 May 2007 17:19:35 -0400, <> wrote:
>
>>Or just start using emacs (the "e" is for Extensible!). It is
>>an amazing program (or environment). I did almost every thing
>>under emacs when I was working... Now just usenet...
>>
>>
>>--
>>Andrew Hall
>>(Now reading Usenet in alt.sys.pc-clone.dell...)
>
>emacs -- is that one of those Linux command-style word processors? If
>not, I'm interested. If you have a download link that's cool
>otherwise I can Google. Thanks!

On Sat, 12 May 2007 19:04:24 -0400, Ben Myers
<> wrote:

>emacs is a text editor that was implemented originally for the GE Multics
>computers. It, along with the OS, was developed at MIT. Then someone got the
>idea to rewrite it in C, make it open source and port it here and there. And
>who else can remember Multics? Who else used Multics? ... Ben Myers

Wow, I think this is the first time that I can't wax eloquently about
the old days! And I thought I was a dinosaur :-)