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      05-02-2006, 02:19 AM


I am using the P4PE board and already have 2 512 PC2700 333Mhz sticks
installed. I just purchased a 1gig PC3200 400Mhz stick to max the board out
at its maximum 2 gig limit. Upon inserting the 1 gig stick the system won't
boot. I took it out and did further research and found that the P4PE is
capable of handling a 1 gig single stick as well as the higher speed
difference. The ASUS site said to use the PC3200 400Mhz overclocking may be
required however. Can someone explain to me how to do this in the BIOS and
what I'm looking for? I found one option for DDR that had 4 options: Auto,
275Mhz, 350Mhz, and 375Mhz. It is in the Auto position right now.


 
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      05-02-2006, 03:58 AM
In article <csy5g.11225$>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
<> wrote:

> I am using the P4PE board and already have 2 512 PC2700 333Mhz sticks
> installed. I just purchased a 1gig PC3200 400Mhz stick to max the board out
> at its maximum 2 gig limit. Upon inserting the 1 gig stick the system won't
> boot. I took it out and did further research and found that the P4PE is
> capable of handling a 1 gig single stick as well as the higher speed
> difference. The ASUS site said to use the PC3200 400Mhz overclocking may be
> required however. Can someone explain to me how to do this in the BIOS and
> what I'm looking for? I found one option for DDR that had 4 options: Auto,
> 275Mhz, 350Mhz, and 375Mhz. It is in the Auto position right now.


Did you read your manual, like section 2.5.2 .

The only three DIMM configuration allowed is:

One double sided DIMM plus two single sided DIMMs.

You cannot use three double sided DIMMs, and the BIOS will
not allow the motherboard to POST that way. Two of the
DIMMs might burn one another if it did manage to start.

In terms of the DIMMs that are most abundant on the market,
your best configuration is two double sided DIMMs in slot 1
and slot 2. With those two DIMMs in place, slot 3 must remain
blank.

In other words, with the three sticks of RAM you currently own,
you can stick the 1GB and one 512MB DIMM in slot 1 and slot 2
and that is the best you can do. You can have 1.5GB total RAM.

The problem is, the chipset really only has enough control
signals for two slots. To make it look like a "full featured"
motherboard, Asus cross-wired slot 2 and slot 3 together. If a
double sided DIMM goes in one of those slots, the other one
has no control signals of its own. If you stick a single sided
DIMM in one slot, there would still be a single sided DIMMs worth
of control signals left on the other slot. But nobody in their
right mind buys single sided DIMMs, because a double sided
DIMM can be twice as dense, making the use of single sided
DIMMs rather pointless.

If you already just happened to own some single sided DIMMs,
then a board like the P4PE might be a lucky purchase for you.
In your current situation, I might want to try 2x1GB, as long
as the 1GB modules you buy are using 64Mx8 chips and not some
other cheaper chip type. The cheapest modules would likely
not work properly in the motherboard - if the modules are
a major brand like Kingston, Crucial, or the like, they probably
use the right chips. But if you find a "bargain" 1GB module
on Pricewatch, chances are it is a stinker.

To illustrate the difference between module types, this advert
shows the cheap bad modules and the better modules in the
same ad. The better modules cost more, but will work with more
motherboards. You have to read the fine print carefully
on web sites like this. Notice how the cheap module only
works with a small set of chipset types, and even then,
may not be stable enough to allow more than one of them at
same time.

http://www.portatech.com/catalog/memory.asp?ID=285

HTH,
Paul
 
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      05-02-2006, 04:15 AM
Paul's correct, that board can only tolerate 2 ds sticks or 1 ds stick
and 2 ss sticks.
If you want to run @ 400mhz with pc3200, then you would just put in
the single stick of pc3200 with your dimm on auto and your cpu set
accordingly.

On Tue, 02 May 2006 01:19:04 GMT, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©" <> wrote:

>I am using the P4PE board and already have 2 512 PC2700 333Mhz sticks
>installed. I just purchased a 1gig PC3200 400Mhz stick to max the board out
>at its maximum 2 gig limit. Upon inserting the 1 gig stick the system won't
>boot. I took it out and did further research and found that the P4PE is
>capable of handling a 1 gig single stick as well as the higher speed
>difference. The ASUS site said to use the PC3200 400Mhz overclocking may be
>required however. Can someone explain to me how to do this in the BIOS and
>what I'm looking for? I found one option for DDR that had 4 options: Auto,
>275Mhz, 350Mhz, and 375Mhz. It is in the Auto position right now.
>

 
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      05-02-2006, 04:21 AM
Here's the link:
http://support.asus.com/technicaldoc...Language=en-us


On Tue, 02 May 2006 03:15:13 GMT, Bill Smith <> wrote:

>Paul's correct, that board can only tolerate 2 ds sticks or 1 ds stick
>and 2 ss sticks.
>If you want to run @ 400mhz with pc3200, then you would just put in
>the single stick of pc3200 with your dimm on auto and your cpu set
>accordingly.
>
>On Tue, 02 May 2006 01:19:04 GMT, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©" <> wrote:
>
>>I am using the P4PE board and already have 2 512 PC2700 333Mhz sticks
>>installed. I just purchased a 1gig PC3200 400Mhz stick to max the board out
>>at its maximum 2 gig limit. Upon inserting the 1 gig stick the system won't
>>boot. I took it out and did further research and found that the P4PE is
>>capable of handling a 1 gig single stick as well as the higher speed
>>difference. The ASUS site said to use the PC3200 400Mhz overclocking may be
>>required however. Can someone explain to me how to do this in the BIOS and
>>what I'm looking for? I found one option for DDR that had 4 options: Auto,
>>275Mhz, 350Mhz, and 375Mhz. It is in the Auto position right now.
>>

 
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      05-02-2006, 04:26 AM
I tried using the 1 gig and a 512 and it wouldn't boot up. So I tried the 1
gig stick by itself. It still wouldn't boot up. Could this mean the RAM
itself is faulty?


 
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      05-02-2006, 06:17 AM
In article <2kA5g.11288$>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
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> I tried using the 1 gig and a 512 and it wouldn't boot up. So I tried the 1
> gig stick by itself. It still wouldn't boot up. Could this mean the RAM
> itself is faulty?


If it uses 128Mx4 chips, Intel does not approve of that practice.
It is also not defined in the JEDEC specs, and the industry is
supposed to promote only standard products. That is probably
why the cheap modules have no names printed on them, so the companies
won't get caught doing it.

Can you provide a URL of where you bought the memory ?

Is there a PDF spec for the RAM somewhere ?

Did you buy it on Ebay ?

The RAM may not be intended to work with your motherboard.

Buying 512MB DIMMs is pretty safe, as there is only one
common way to make them. But at 1GB, there are at least two ways
to make them, and one of the ways stinks. Don't buy
cheap 1GB DIMMs!

Paul
 
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      05-02-2006, 08:23 AM
> If it uses 128Mx4 chips, Intel does not approve of that practice.
> It is also not defined in the JEDEC specs, and the industry is
> supposed to promote only standard products. That is probably
> why the cheap modules have no names printed on them, so the companies
> won't get caught doing it.
>
> Can you provide a URL of where you bought the memory ?
>
> Is there a PDF spec for the RAM somewhere ?
>
> Did you buy it on Ebay ?
>


Yes I got it on eBay. The specs provided are as follows:

1 gig PC 3200 DDR 400 MHz
184 Pin
3.2 GB/sec
2.5 volt
128x64 High Density
Non-ECC, Non-Parity
Unbuffered
Jedec Standard
SSTL-2 I/O Interface
SPD Support
Support for memory chip stacking


 
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      05-02-2006, 03:47 PM
In article <xND5g.6102$>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
<> wrote:

> > If it uses 128Mx4 chips, Intel does not approve of that practice.
> > It is also not defined in the JEDEC specs, and the industry is
> > supposed to promote only standard products. That is probably
> > why the cheap modules have no names printed on them, so the companies
> > won't get caught doing it.
> >
> > Can you provide a URL of where you bought the memory ?
> >
> > Is there a PDF spec for the RAM somewhere ?
> >
> > Did you buy it on Ebay ?
> >

>
> Yes I got it on eBay. The specs provided are as follows:
>
> 1 gig PC 3200 DDR 400 MHz
> 184 Pin
> 3.2 GB/sec
> 2.5 volt
> 128x64 High Density
> Non-ECC, Non-Parity
> Unbuffered
> Jedec Standard
> SSTL-2 I/O Interface
> SPD Support
> Support for memory chip stacking


"Support for memory chip stacking" - that doesn't sound good.

It could be that the memory is functional, but will only work
in that restricted set of chipsets. Like the Portatech advert
says:

"Verify that you have a motherboard with a VIA PT800, KT600,
P4X266A chipset or an a SIS 648, 648FX, 746FX chipset before
purchase"

Did the Ebay web page offering the RAM, say to "check your
chipset first" or something ? I'm sure they covered their
asses when selling that crap. See if the dealer will take
the stuff back and offer a refund. Or alternately, swap for
a product that will work.

Occasionally, there are Ebay sellers that don't know what they
are selling, but I would expect the majority of them to be
"slick" and leave you with a bum deal. You will never know
how much testing the RAM has received, if you are getting
it from Ebay, and it is generic and has no brand names
printed on it.

I bought cheap RAM, on sale from local computer shops, and
the stuff had a 1 year warranty. The sticks died between the
1 year and 2 year mark. Now, I stick with Crucial for RAM
and order it direct. No more cheap RAM for me!

Paul
 
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      05-02-2006, 09:41 PM

"Paul" <> wrote in message
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> In article <xND5g.6102$>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
> <> wrote:
>
>> > If it uses 128Mx4 chips, Intel does not approve of that practice.
>> > It is also not defined in the JEDEC specs, and the industry is
>> > supposed to promote only standard products. That is probably
>> > why the cheap modules have no names printed on them, so the companies
>> > won't get caught doing it.
>> >
>> > Can you provide a URL of where you bought the memory ?
>> >
>> > Is there a PDF spec for the RAM somewhere ?
>> >
>> > Did you buy it on Ebay ?
>> >

>>
>> Yes I got it on eBay. The specs provided are as follows:
>>
>> 1 gig PC 3200 DDR 400 MHz
>> 184 Pin
>> 3.2 GB/sec
>> 2.5 volt
>> 128x64 High Density
>> Non-ECC, Non-Parity
>> Unbuffered
>> Jedec Standard
>> SSTL-2 I/O Interface
>> SPD Support
>> Support for memory chip stacking

>
> "Support for memory chip stacking" - that doesn't sound good.
>
> It could be that the memory is functional, but will only work
> in that restricted set of chipsets. Like the Portatech advert
> says:
>
> "Verify that you have a motherboard with a VIA PT800, KT600,
> P4X266A chipset or an a SIS 648, 648FX, 746FX chipset before
> purchase"
>
> Did the Ebay web page offering the RAM, say to "check your
> chipset first" or something ? I'm sure they covered their
> asses when selling that crap. See if the dealer will take
> the stuff back and offer a refund. Or alternately, swap for
> a product that will work.
>
> Occasionally, there are Ebay sellers that don't know what they
> are selling, but I would expect the majority of them to be
> "slick" and leave you with a bum deal. You will never know
> how much testing the RAM has received, if you are getting
> it from Ebay, and it is generic and has no brand names
> printed on it.
>
> I bought cheap RAM, on sale from local computer shops, and
> the stuff had a 1 year warranty. The sticks died between the
> 1 year and 2 year mark. Now, I stick with Crucial for RAM
> and order it direct. No more cheap RAM for me!


No they said nothing about checking the chipset first of course. I
could return it, minus the stocking fee, listing fee, insurance and
shipping, plus at the cost of shipping it back to them. It would hardly be
worth it. Also they said if I return it and they find it to be in working
condition they ship it back to me at my expense. The other 2 ram sticks I
am using now I got from crucial and I have already ordered a 1 gig stick
from them as well, should be here tomorrow I'm hoping. That's what I get
for trying to save a buck or two. This seller had over 100k positive
feedbacks and an online store so I figured I'd take the chance. Now I know
better. Always crucial from now on even if it does cost twice as much.


 
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      05-02-2006, 10:47 PM
In article <JtP5g.8569$>, "ÐïÅßö¥ø§©"
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> No they said nothing about checking the chipset first of course. I
> could return it, minus the stocking fee, listing fee, insurance and
> shipping, plus at the cost of shipping it back to them. It would hardly be
> worth it. Also they said if I return it and they find it to be in working
> condition they ship it back to me at my expense. The other 2 ram sticks I
> am using now I got from crucial and I have already ordered a 1 gig stick
> from them as well, should be here tomorrow I'm hoping. That's what I get
> for trying to save a buck or two. This seller had over 100k positive
> feedbacks and an online store so I figured I'd take the chance. Now I know
> better. Always crucial from now on even if it does cost twice as much.


If there are no heat spreaders on the module, post the
part numbers printed on one of the memory chips. Perhaps
I can look it up and verify the chip type.

If there is nothing printed on the chips, and you cannot
get that module to POST on any computer, it'll be pretty
hard to verify exactly what was shipped :-(

Paul
 
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