Re-casing a Pavilion 512n?

Hi,

My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some upgrading,
e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able to
find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace the
HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was wondering
if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would fit
all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?

Thanks,
Jim

"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
> Hi,
>
> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some upgrading,
> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able to
> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace the
> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was wondering
> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would fit
> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim

Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX case
there will
be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power supply.
I've done this
conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front panel
switches wiring.

Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you move the
motherboard over to the new case and make the connections accordingly. You
also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard later.

Good Luck.

Keeping in mind the possibility of an upgrade later on, best to get an ATX case
with a power supply capable of handling a Pentium 4 or fast AMD Athlon,
depending on your personal preference. Either way, the power supply needs to
have an extra 12v lead which attaches to the motherboard, in addition to the
obvious ATX power connector.

ATX cases come in various sizes, starting with the ones which handle only a
micro ATX motherboard to those which accept full-sized or micro ATX boards and
offer various numbers of drive bays with varying heights. I have a sturdy old
steel ATX monster here standing 24" high with all kinds of drive bays,
retrofitted with a P4-capable power supply... Ben Myers

On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:25 GMT, <> wrote:

>
>"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
>news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
>> Hi,
>>
>> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some upgrading,
>> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able to
>> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
>> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
>> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace the
>> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was wondering
>> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would fit
>> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>
>Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX case
>there will
>be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power supply.
>I've done this
>conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front panel
>switches wiring.
>
>Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
>connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you move the
>motherboard over to the new case and make the connections accordingly. You
>also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard later.
>
>Good Luck.
>
>

Ben Myers wrote:
>
> Keeping in mind the possibility of an upgrade later on, best to get an ATX case
> with a power supply capable of handling a Pentium 4 or fast AMD Athlon,
> depending on your personal preference. Either way, the power supply needs to
> have an extra 12v lead which attaches to the motherboard, in addition to the
> obvious ATX power connector.
>
> ATX cases come in various sizes, starting with the ones which handle only a
> micro ATX motherboard to those which accept full-sized or micro ATX boards and
> offer various numbers of drive bays with varying heights. I have a sturdy old
> steel ATX monster here standing 24" high with all kinds of drive bays,
> retrofitted with a P4-capable power supply... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:25 GMT, <> wrote:
>
> >
> >"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some upgrading,
> >> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able to
> >> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
> >> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
> >> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace the
> >> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was wondering
> >> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would fit
> >> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jim
> >
> >Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX case
> >there will
> >be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power supply.
> >I've done this
> >conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front panel
> >switches wiring.
> >
> >Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
> >connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you move the
> >motherboard over to the new case and make the connections accordingly. You
> >also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard later.
> >
> >Good Luck.


BR and Ben,

Thanks for the info!

BTW, after much cleanup, I'm still puzzled that this machine seems to be
running rather sluggishly. Is the Celeron 1.4G THAT slow? I have an
old PIII-450 that seems much faster .

Also, the network speeds I get when doing bandwidth test is about 1/2 of
what I get on the PIII-450 (same LAN). Is the NIC on the 512n so slow?

Jim

ohaya wrote:
>
> Ben Myers wrote:
> >
> > Keeping in mind the possibility of an upgrade later on, best to get an ATX case
> > with a power supply capable of handling a Pentium 4 or fast AMD Athlon,
> > depending on your personal preference. Either way, the power supply needs to
> > have an extra 12v lead which attaches to the motherboard, in addition to the
> > obvious ATX power connector.
> >
> > ATX cases come in various sizes, starting with the ones which handle only a
> > micro ATX motherboard to those which accept full-sized or micro ATX boards and
> > offer various numbers of drive bays with varying heights. I have a sturdy old
> > steel ATX monster here standing 24" high with all kinds of drive bays,
> > retrofitted with a P4-capable power supply... Ben Myers
> >
> > On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:25 GMT, <> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
> > >news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some upgrading,
> > >> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able to
> > >> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
> > >> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
> > >> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace the
> > >> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was wondering
> > >> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would fit
> > >> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Jim
> > >
> > >Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX case
> > >there will
> > >be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power supply.
> > >I've done this
> > >conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front panel
> > >switches wiring.
> > >
> > >Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
> > >connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you move the
> > >motherboard over to the new case and make the connections accordingly. You
> > >also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard later.
> > >
> > >Good Luck.
>
> BR and Ben,
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> BTW, after much cleanup, I'm still puzzled that this machine seems to be
> running rather sluggishly. Is the Celeron 1.4G THAT slow? I have an
> old PIII-450 that seems much faster .
>
> Also, the network speeds I get when doing bandwidth test is about 1/2 of
> what I get on the PIII-450 (same LAN). Is the NIC on the 512n so slow?
>
> Jim


Hi,

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the case I'm looking at is something
like:

http://www.dealsonic.com/appcblmeatxm.html

Jim

Several factors influence the perceived performance of a computer. I would
assume you have done the usual cleanup of temp files and other garbage followed
by a complete defrag.

1. The operating system. Generally, the newer the Microsoft release, the more
bloated and slow it is. So in terms of speed rankings: Windows 98 > Windows ME
> Windows 2000 > Windows XP. Linux, any release, is an absolute speed demon,
running lightning fast on an older Celeron 400 machine I've set up here.

2. The number and type of programs loaded at system startup. These are launched
from the startup menu AND via directives deep in the bowels of the registry.

3. The total amount of system memory. If the memory in the HP Pavilion is less
than 256MB, this is the answer. The Intel 810E graphics drivers use up to 11MB
of system memory for video buffers.

4. The rotational speed and average seek times of the hard drive, and the
fastest interface speed they permit: ATA100/66/33, or some advanced PIO.

5. Type of Ethernet chip and supporting drivers. For my money, Intel and 3COM
NICs continue to be the best, even tho 3COM does very little with NICs anymore,
having moved on to mostly "higher level" more expensive networking gear.

6. Drivers for the hard drive controller. See below.

7. Some newer 32-bit applications are much slower than their older 16-bit
counterparts, due to added bloatware features and larger, slower execution code.
Fill in the name of your favorite application here, starting with Microsoft
Office and Internet Explorer.

The HP Pavilion Socket 370 motherboards use the Intel 810E chipset for disk I/O
and graphics. Not scaldingly fast graphics, but acceptable. Decent disk I/O
tho. And Intel's latest chipset drivers and application accelerator software at
www.intel.com may make a difference... Ben Myers

On Wed, 05 May 2004 09:24:24 -0400, ohaya <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote:

>
>
>Ben Myers wrote:
>>
>> Keeping in mind the possibility of an upgrade later on, best to get an ATX case
>> with a power supply capable of handling a Pentium 4 or fast AMD Athlon,
>> depending on your personal preference. Either way, the power supply needs to
>> have an extra 12v lead which attaches to the motherboard, in addition to the
>> obvious ATX power connector.
>>
>> ATX cases come in various sizes, starting with the ones which handle only a
>> micro ATX motherboard to those which accept full-sized or micro ATX boards and
>> offer various numbers of drive bays with varying heights. I have a sturdy old
>> steel ATX monster here standing 24" high with all kinds of drive bays,
>> retrofitted with a P4-capable power supply... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:25 GMT, <> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
>> >news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some upgrading,
>> >> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able to
>> >> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
>> >> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
>> >> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace the
>> >> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was wondering
>> >> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would fit
>> >> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Jim
>> >
>> >Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX case
>> >there will
>> >be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power supply.
>> >I've done this
>> >conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front panel
>> >switches wiring.
>> >
>> >Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
>> >connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you move the
>> >motherboard over to the new case and make the connections accordingly. You
>> >also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard later.
>> >
>> >Good Luck.
>
>
>BR and Ben,
>
>Thanks for the info!
>
>BTW, after much cleanup, I'm still puzzled that this machine seems to be
>running rather sluggishly. Is the Celeron 1.4G THAT slow? I have an
>old PIII-450 that seems much faster .
>
>Also, the network speeds I get when doing bandwidth test is about 1/2 of
>what I get on the PIII-450 (same LAN). Is the NIC on the 512n so slow?
>
>Jim

"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
news:4098EB08.4049A33@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
>
>
> Ben Myers wrote:
> >
> > Keeping in mind the possibility of an upgrade later on, best to get an
ATX case
> > with a power supply capable of handling a Pentium 4 or fast AMD Athlon,
> > depending on your personal preference. Either way, the power supply
needs to
> > have an extra 12v lead which attaches to the motherboard, in addition to
the
> > obvious ATX power connector.
> >
> > ATX cases come in various sizes, starting with the ones which handle
only a
> > micro ATX motherboard to those which accept full-sized or micro ATX
boards and
> > offer various numbers of drive bays with varying heights. I have a
sturdy old
> > steel ATX monster here standing 24" high with all kinds of drive bays,
> > retrofitted with a P4-capable power supply... Ben Myers
> >
> > On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:25 GMT, <> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
> > >news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some
upgrading,
> > >> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able
to
> > >> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
> > >> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
> > >> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace
the
> > >> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was
wondering
> > >> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would
fit
> > >> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Jim
> > >
> > >Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX case
> > >there will
> > >be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power
supply.
> > >I've done this
> > >conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front panel
> > >switches wiring.
> > >
> > >Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
> > >connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you move
the
> > >motherboard over to the new case and make the connections accordingly.
You
> > >also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard
later.
> > >
> > >Good Luck.
>
>
> BR and Ben,
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> BTW, after much cleanup, I'm still puzzled that this machine seems to be
> running rather sluggishly. Is the Celeron 1.4G THAT slow? I have an
> old PIII-450 that seems much faster .

A Celeron P4 is slow, due to the lack of sufficient cache to support the
deep pipelines of the P4 architecture. Depending on the application (and how
often the pipeline needs to reload due to errors in the pre-fetch routine),
it will run from 0% to possibly >50% slower than the equivelant speed P4.
You would see an increase in performance if you replaced the Celeron with a
real P4. It is, however, faster than a PIII-450 in an equivelant system.
P4-based Celerons are to be avoided.
>
> Also, the network speeds I get when doing bandwidth test is about 1/2 of
> what I get on the PIII-450 (same LAN). Is the NIC on the 512n so slow?

No idea on this, sorry.
>
> Jim

What the original message is talking about is a Socket 370 Celeron running at
1.4GHz. Socket 478 Celery chips were never made to run that slow, AFAIK. The
1.4GHz Celeron runs with 100MHz FSB, and has 128K Level 2 cache, not a lot, but
sufficient for many uses.

As far as the Celeron P4 is concerned, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
For a great many people, the Celeron P4 is fast enough and offers good value for
the price. For others, especially gamers and heavy-duty number crunching types,
it stinks. If one is doing the usual mix of office work, a Celeron is just
fine, 'cause the delays and bottlenecks lie elsewhere in the overall system,
bottlenecks in the network, the server, the internet, etc.

Note that HP thought enough of the Socket 370 Celeron to use it in the Pavilion
512n.

Don't be so quick to tar and feather the Celeron. Just say it's not good enough
for you... Ben Myers

On Wed, 05 May 2004 23:14:04 GMT, "Mark Bilger" <> wrote:

>
>"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
>news:4098EB08.4049A33@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
>>
>>
>> Ben Myers wrote:
>> >
>> > Keeping in mind the possibility of an upgrade later on, best to get an
>ATX case
>> > with a power supply capable of handling a Pentium 4 or fast AMD Athlon,
>> > depending on your personal preference. Either way, the power supply
>needs to
>> > have an extra 12v lead which attaches to the motherboard, in addition to
>the
>> > obvious ATX power connector.
>> >
>> > ATX cases come in various sizes, starting with the ones which handle
>only a
>> > micro ATX motherboard to those which accept full-sized or micro ATX
>boards and
>> > offer various numbers of drive bays with varying heights. I have a
>sturdy old
>> > steel ATX monster here standing 24" high with all kinds of drive bays,
>> > retrofitted with a P4-capable power supply... Ben Myers
>> >
>> > On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:25 GMT, <> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
>> > >news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some
>upgrading,
>> > >> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been able
>to
>> > >> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it seems
>> > >> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
>> > >> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just replace
>the
>> > >> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was
>wondering
>> > >> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would
>fit
>> > >> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Jim
>> > >
>> > >Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX case
>> > >there will
>> > >be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power
>supply.
>> > >I've done this
>> > >conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front panel
>> > >switches wiring.
>> > >
>> > >Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
>> > >connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you move
>the
>> > >motherboard over to the new case and make the connections accordingly.
>You
>> > >also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard
>later.
>> > >
>> > >Good Luck.
>>
>>
>> BR and Ben,
>>
>> Thanks for the info!
>>
>> BTW, after much cleanup, I'm still puzzled that this machine seems to be
>> running rather sluggishly. Is the Celeron 1.4G THAT slow? I have an
>> old PIII-450 that seems much faster .
>
>A Celeron P4 is slow, due to the lack of sufficient cache to support the
>deep pipelines of the P4 architecture. Depending on the application (and how
>often the pipeline needs to reload due to errors in the pre-fetch routine),
>it will run from 0% to possibly >50% slower than the equivelant speed P4.
>You would see an increase in performance if you replaced the Celeron with a
>real P4. It is, however, faster than a PIII-450 in an equivelant system.
>P4-based Celerons are to be avoided.
>>
>> Also, the network speeds I get when doing bandwidth test is about 1/2 of
>> what I get on the PIII-450 (same LAN). Is the NIC on the 512n so slow?
>
>No idea on this, sorry.
>>
>> Jim
>
>

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:...
> What the original message is talking about is a Socket 370 Celeron running
at
> 1.4GHz. Socket 478 Celery chips were never made to run that slow, AFAIK.
The
> 1.4GHz Celeron runs with 100MHz FSB, and has 128K Level 2 cache, not a
lot, but
> sufficient for many uses.
>
> As far as the Celeron P4 is concerned, beauty is in the eye of the
beholder.
> For a great many people, the Celeron P4 is fast enough and offers good
value for
> the price. For others, especially gamers and heavy-duty number crunching
types,
> it stinks. If one is doing the usual mix of office work, a Celeron is
just
> fine, 'cause the delays and bottlenecks lie elsewhere in the overall
system,
> bottlenecks in the network, the server, the internet, etc.
>
> Note that HP thought enough of the Socket 370 Celeron to use it in the
Pavilion
> 512n.
>
> Don't be so quick to tar and feather the Celeron. Just say it's not good
enough
> for you... Ben Myers
>

Ben,


Socket 370 Celeron is a decent performer, I didn't realize the switch to
Socket 478 came about that late. Different story, the 370 Celeron should be
performing at about 95% of the equivalent P3 in general use, no real reason
to replace it.
I do stand by what I said about the P4 Celeron, though, a Duron 900 was
outperforming the 1.8GHz P4 Celeron in almost every test I saw. ;-)
Sorry for my confusion, I should have done some research first and seen
this was a Socket 370 system.

E-vil

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 23:14:04 GMT, "Mark Bilger" <>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:4098EB08.4049A33@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> Ben Myers wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Keeping in mind the possibility of an upgrade later on, best to get
an
> >ATX case
> >> > with a power supply capable of handling a Pentium 4 or fast AMD
Athlon,
> >> > depending on your personal preference. Either way, the power supply
> >needs to
> >> > have an extra 12v lead which attaches to the motherboard, in addition
to
> >the
> >> > obvious ATX power connector.
> >> >
> >> > ATX cases come in various sizes, starting with the ones which handle
> >only a
> >> > micro ATX motherboard to those which accept full-sized or micro ATX
> >boards and
> >> > offer various numbers of drive bays with varying heights. I have a
> >sturdy old
> >> > steel ATX monster here standing 24" high with all kinds of drive
bays,
> >> > retrofitted with a P4-capable power supply... Ben Myers
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:25 GMT, <> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >"ohaya" <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net> wrote in message
> >> > >news:409853F6.8CF89FE@NO_SPAM_cox.net...
> >> > >> Hi,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> My son has a Pavilion 512n, and we're thinking of doing some
> >upgrading,
> >> > >> e.g., adding an additional 7200 RPM hard drive. I haven't been
able
> >to
> >> > >> find much in the way of specs for the standard hardware, but it
seems
> >> > >> like it comes with a relatively small 150W power supply. In my
> >> > >> searching, it seems like the usual recommendation is to just
replace
> >the
> >> > >> HP case with a 'regular' ATX case and power supply, but I was
> >wondering
> >> > >> if anyone can confirm that this particular motherboard, etc. would
> >fit
> >> > >> all right in a standard ATX case with standard ATX power supply?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > >> Jim
> >> > >
> >> > >Sure, this is an ATX system, albeit it an MATX. In a standard ATX
case
> >> > >there will
> >> > >be plenty of room left over and it will use a standard ATX power
> >supply.
> >> > >I've done this
> >> > >conversion several times. The only place of concern is the front
panel
> >> > >switches wiring.
> >> > >
> >> > >Try to identify the pins on your current motherboard header for the
> >> > >connections and write them down so you won't get confused when you
move
> >the
> >> > >motherboard over to the new case and make the connections
accordingly.
> >You
> >> > >also can use your new case as a platform to upgrade the motherboard
> >later.
> >> > >
> >> > >Good Luck.
> >>
> >>
> >> BR and Ben,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info!
> >>
> >> BTW, after much cleanup, I'm still puzzled that this machine seems to
be
> >> running rather sluggishly. Is the Celeron 1.4G THAT slow? I have an
> >> old PIII-450 that seems much faster .
> >
> >A Celeron P4 is slow, due to the lack of sufficient cache to support the
> >deep pipelines of the P4 architecture. Depending on the application (and
how
> >often the pipeline needs to reload due to errors in the pre-fetch
routine),
> >it will run from 0% to possibly >50% slower than the equivelant speed P4.
> >You would see an increase in performance if you replaced the Celeron with
a
> >real P4. It is, however, faster than a PIII-450 in an equivelant system.
> >P4-based Celerons are to be avoided.
> >>
> >> Also, the network speeds I get when doing bandwidth test is about 1/2
of
> >> what I get on the PIII-450 (same LAN). Is the NIC on the 512n so slow?
> >
> >No idea on this, sorry.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >
> >
>

Mark Bilger wrote:
>
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:...
> > What the original message is talking about is a Socket 370 Celeron running
> at
> > 1.4GHz. Socket 478 Celery chips were never made to run that slow, AFAIK.
> The
> > 1.4GHz Celeron runs with 100MHz FSB, and has 128K Level 2 cache, not a
> lot, but
> > sufficient for many uses.
> >
> > As far as the Celeron P4 is concerned, beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder.
> > For a great many people, the Celeron P4 is fast enough and offers good
> value for
> > the price. For others, especially gamers and heavy-duty number crunching
> types,
> > it stinks. If one is doing the usual mix of office work, a Celeron is
> just
> > fine, 'cause the delays and bottlenecks lie elsewhere in the overall
> system,
> > bottlenecks in the network, the server, the internet, etc.
> >
> > Note that HP thought enough of the Socket 370 Celeron to use it in the
> Pavilion
> > 512n.
> >
> > Don't be so quick to tar and feather the Celeron. Just say it's not good
> enough
> > for you... Ben Myers
> >
>
> Ben,
>
> Socket 370 Celeron is a decent performer, I didn't realize the switch to
> Socket 478 came about that late. Different story, the 370 Celeron should be
> performing at about 95% of the equivalent P3 in general use, no real reason
> to replace it.
> I do stand by what I said about the P4 Celeron, though, a Duron 900 was
> outperforming the 1.8GHz P4 Celeron in almost every test I saw. ;-)
> Sorry for my confusion, I should have done some research first and seen
> this was a Socket 370 system.
>
> E-vil


Hi,

So, if this is a Socket 370 Celeron, and it's a decent performer, any
other ideas beyond what has been posted for trying to improve
performance?

I've updated the graphics controller with the latest from the
support.intel.com, and installed the Application Accelerator, and I
think it is a bit faster than it was before (my subjective testing
involves opening an IE window), but it still seems a bit slower than my
PIII-450.

I'm still thinking 7200 RPM hard drive (tho the 450 also has a 5400RPM
drive) and maybe a better video card.

FYI, I've resolved the network speed problem. After testing with other
machines on my network, it looks like there's some kind of slowdown with
our cablemodem service. Service guy is coming out tomorrow to try to
resolve that.

I'd love to 'downgrade' him to Win2K, but the machine is used by my son
and his wife, and she's somewhat attached to the WinXP 'eye candy', so I
don't know if they'd go for that...

Jim