Re: Parallels or BootCamp? - - - BootCamp or Parallels?

On Jul 5, 1:54 pm, Mark Conrad <non...@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:
> I paid a heck of a price today for being senile.
>
> Completely messed up a backup file itself.
>
> Usually make a backup of my backup, but in this case I did not do it
> soon enough.
>
> Waaaah, it is going to take me months to recover from this, I had a
> whole bunch of stuff on that Mac.
>
> Looking at the good side of this, it forced me to make a decision I have
> been trying to make for over a year.
>
> Parallels or BootCamp? - - - BootCamp or Parallels?
>
> REALLY tough choice, at least for me. How one chooses depends a lot on
> the applications one is trying to run.
>
> I am going to switch back to using Parallels, because lots of available
> disk space is (slightly) more important to me than lots of available RAM.
>
> Besides, it is a heck of a lot easier to backup a Parallels virtual
> memory file, than it is to backup a BootCamp created partition.
>
> Mark-

I'm going to regret this, I'm sure, but here goes.

What do you want to do with your machine?
I'm presuming you want to run Windows. If not, forget BootCamp.
If you need absolute max performance under Windows or weird direct
access to hardware at a level that Parallels won't give you (highly
unlikely, I'd say) then go with BootCamp. It's free.

Personally, I love Parallels. Latest version 3 supports 3D hardware
acceleration, USB 2.0, and can *boot off an existing bootcamp Windows
partition* - although I personally prefer not to.
You can run your virtualised OS full screen (use Virtue Desktops to
allow you to flip between that an OS X at a keystroke), you can run it
in a Window (with Windows automatically changing the desktop
resolution to match your Parallels window size), and you can run it in
Coherence mode where your apps and Windows windows (!) appear on the
OS X desktop, and the dock.
You can drag and drop files from one environment to another, and have
Parallels either make one OS's files transparently available to the
other, or have it copy them.
You can access your Mac's files and folders in Windows via Parallels
Shared Folders.

Parallels is flat-out the most impressive single piece of software
I've ever used. It's cheap, and the company has the fastest release
cycle I've come across. Their forums are helpful, too.

With RAM being so cheap these days the overhead of OS X and another OS
running side by side isn't really a factor.

Obviously if you're backup-obsessed you can just backup the .hdd file
very readily, too.

There's a free trial available that'll cost you nothing to try,
anyway. Have a look.

Ric

In article <noneof->,
Mark Conrad <> wrote:

> In other words, to spell it out for mentally impaired people like
> you, if Parallels is used on a BootCamp created Windows XP partition,
> it WILL work.
>
> However if an attempt is made to use Parallels on a BootCamp created
> Vista partition, it WILL NOT WORK.

Are you saying that Vista formats the disk differently from the way that
XP formats it?

Does that mean that when you install Vista on an existing XP volume, you
have to reformat the entire drive?

Or does it really mean that you didn't know what you were doing?

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In article < t.net>,
J.J. O'Shea <> wrote:

> > Are you saying that Vista formats the disk differently from the way
> > that XP formats it?
>
> He has no clue what he's saying.

I know that; I'm trying to figure out what he thinks he's saying.

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In article < t.net>,
J.J. O'Shea <> wrote:

> And Parallels supports Boot Camp. Page 19 of the user guide which you
> clearly have not read, states:
>
> "Supported Types of Hard Disks The current version of Parallels
> Desktop allows virtual machines to use virtual hard disks and Boot
> Camp partition with Windows XP /SP2 or Windows Vista installations
> only."

Well, obviously Parallels is either lying or is mistaken. Mark has said
so.

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On Jul 6, 4:45 pm, J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:12:35 -0400, Mark Conrad wrote
> (in article <noneof-D8C3FC.13134906072...@news.west.earthlink.net>):
>
>
>
> > In article <0001HW.C2B4003E02019E44F0284...@newsgroups.comcas t.net>,
> > J.J. O'Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
>
> > Mark Conrad clearly posted about
> > a BOOTCAMP created Vista partition:
>
> >>> Not off a Vista BootCamp partition, check it out, I did.
>
> > Blind J.J. O'Shea responded:
> >> Lying scum. He specifically said version 3, which _does_ support Vista, you
> >> batshit insane subcretin.
>
> > LEARN TO READ you ignoramous, I posted BOOTCAMP.
>
> And Parallels supports Boot Camp. Page 19 of the user guide which you clearly
> have not read, states:
>
> "Supported Types of Hard Disks
> The current version of Parallels Desktop allows virtual machines to use
> virtual hard disks and Boot Camp partition with Windows XP /SP2 or Windows
> Vista installations only."
>
>
>
>
>
> > Good Grief, you did it a 2nd time, that makes you doubly ignorant:
>
> >> Markie-poo, dearest, from the Installing Parallels Desktop for Mac PDF,
> >> available at the Parallels site and when you buy Parallels:
>
> >> "Parallels Desktop for Mac currently supports:
> >> . Windows 3.1, 95, 98, Me, NT, 2000, XP, 2003, and Vista Ultimate,
> >> Business, and Enterprise
> >> . All distributions of Linux, as well as FreeBSD, OS/2, eComStation,
> >> Solaris, and MS-DOS"
>
> >> From the Parallels Desktop For Mac Datasheet, as of 22 May 2007,
> >> also available in the same places:
>
> >> "NEW! Supports Windows Vista."
>
> > My post plainly referred to BootCamp, NOT Parallels
>
> And you _quoted_ where Parallels supports Boot Camp partitions...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Below is my post to "ric" which you managed
> > to get completely screwed up:
>
> > From "ric":
> >>> Personally, I love Parallels. Latest version 3 supports
> >>> 3D hardware acceleration, USB 2.0, and can *boot off an
> >>> existing bootcamp Windows partition*
>
> > Reply from Mark Conrad:
> >> Not off a Vista BootCamp partition, check it out, I did.
>
> >> Apparently $MS is not yet willing to allow it, for Vista.
>
> >> Windows XP runs on a combination Parallels/BootCamp setup, though.
>
> "Supported Types of Hard Disks
> The current version of Parallels Desktop allows virtual machines to use
> virtual hard disks and Boot Camp partition with Windows XP /SP2 or Windows
> Vista installations only."
>
> "NEW! Supports Windows Vista."
>
> "Parallels Desktop for Mac currently supports:
> . Windows 3.1, 95, 98, Me, NT, 2000, XP, 2003, and Vista Ultimate, Business,
> and Enterprise
> . All distributions of Linux, as well as FreeBSD, OS/2, eComStation, Solaris,
> and MS-DOS"
>
> I don't know how much more clear it could be:
>
> Parallels supports Vista. Parallels supports hard drives formatted with Boot
> Camp partitions for OS X and Windows. Supported versions of Windows are
> XP(SP2 only) and Vista.
>
>
>
> > Geez, how dense can you be!
>
> > ric posted a remark stating that Parallels could be used with a BootCamp
> > created Windows partition, LOOK at his post!
>
> He did. He's right.
>
>
>
> > I responded to him, noting that it would not work that way when using
> > Vista, which remark of mine I still stand by.
>
> > I further added that it WOULD work that way, if XP-Pro was used instead
> > of Vista.
>
> Parallels works with Vista, cretin.
>
>
>
> > In other words, to spell it out for mentally impaired people like you,
> > if Parallels is used on a BootCamp created Windows XP partition, it WILL
> > work.
>
> > However if an attempt is made to use Parallels on a BootCamp created
> > Vista partition, it WILL NOT WORK.
>
> > YOU STUPID IDIOT, IF YOU DOUBT THAT THEN TRY IT, LIKE I DID.
>
> I have. It worked. I suspect that you're doing something wrong. (Gee. What a
> surprise, a batshit insane subcetin doing something wrong!)
>
>
>
> > Everything else was the same, I have successfuly installed both Vista
> > Ultimate and XP Pro many times, using BootCamp or Parallels or the
> > combination of Parallels used with BootCamp; invariably, the combination
> > will not work with Vista.
>
> > I Googled about that issue, and it was reflected in other people's posts
> > - - - and no, I am not going to waste my time supplying you with
> > references, do your own Googling, you will remember it longer if you
> > have to do a little work.
>
> Bullshit.
>
>
>
> > At some point, your mistaken knee-jerk reaction was that ric and I were
> > posting about a simple Parallels/Vista setup.
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
> > We were NOT, we were posting about Parallels being used with a BootCamp
> > partition in which Vista was installed, which is a much more complex
> > situation.
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
> > Read the ****ing posts!!!
>
> I did.
>
>
>
> > PLEASE, if you do not understand a NG comment in the future, ask for an
> > explanation, rather than going off half cocked and calling people names
> > and attempting to ridicule them, when the root problem is that you fail
> > to follow the logic of a post due to your extreme ignorance.
>
> That's a third irony-o-meter blown up.
>
>
>
> > Mark-
>
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BootCamp won't work on my mac book too fragmented... if you want boot
camp, you need to do it first when you first get the machine
parallels work s great but I don't trust windows enough to run
anything for too long.

Tom
www.seo9oneone.com
www.itspuresoap.com

In article <. com>,
"" <> wrote:

> BootCamp won't work on my mac book too fragmented...

So defragment it.

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In article <noneof->,
Mark Conrad <> wrote:

> > "Supported Types of Hard Disks The current version of Parallels
> > Desktop allows virtual machines to use virtual hard disks and Boot
> > Camp partition with Windows XP /SP2 or Windows Vista installations
> > only."
>
> What part of "OR" don't you understand?
>
>
> It specifically states "OR Vista installations ONLY"
>
> Perhaps it is ONLY that you do not understand.
>
> "Windows Vista installations only" means exactly that.
>
> IT DOES NOT MEAN WINDOWS PLUS BOOTCAMP, you incredibly stupid ****.

Bootcamp is not an operating system, you nincompoop. All that Boot Camp
does is format the frigging disk!!!!! Once the disk is formatted, Boot
Camp is out of the picture completely!!!!!!

If you knew what the **** you were doing, you wouldn't have all these
problems!!!!!!!!!!

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In article <noneof->,
Mark Conrad <> wrote:

> Smarten up, your ignorance is showing.

You're an ignorant cum-guzzler, Conrad.
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In article <noneof->,
Mark Conrad <> wrote:

> Merely format the disk ANY OTHER WAY THAN WITH BOOTCAMP, and it
> should be readily apparent to even a dummy like you that BootCamp
> does much more than:
>
> "All that Boot Camp does is format the frigging disk!!!!!"
>
>
> For one obvious thing, the ordinary Mac user would never be able to
> install Vista onto any partition formated by ordinary Disk Utility,
> for example.

You really are a dumb ****, Mark. Tell us what Boot Camp does in
addition to formatting the disk.

I predict that in Leopard, there will be no such thing as a Boot Camp
application; the Boot Camp functionality will be rolled into Disk
Utility.

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In article <2007070712435150878-jollyroger@REMOVEpoboxcom>,
Jolly Roger <> wrote:

> > In article <michelle->,
> > Michelle Steiner <> wrote:
> >
> >> Bootcamp is not an operating system, you nincompoop. All that
> >> Boot Camp does is format the frigging disk!!!!!
> >
> > Bullshit - easy enough to prove you are wrong.
>
> You've failed in your endeavor to prove him wrong.

"her" I'm a girly-girl, remember? <g>

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