Re: Thoughts on Windows 7...

I was thinking about this upgrade path issue.

You know how Apple decided to stop development on PowerPC ? It probably
figured that people needed a nudge to help them decide to buy a new Mac.

Perhaps Microsoft, in concert with HP/Dell/Lenovo, decided that anyone
still running XP was running an old hardware and had delayed upgrades
until a half decent version of Windows came around.

Now that a half decent versions of windows is available (haven't heard
that before ? :-), the hopes would be that people would simply buy a new
PC and ditch the old one and thus not need to "upgrade" from XP.

After all, what percentage of PC buyers move their old system disk to a
new machine to conserve tehir environment ?

In article <00e6f444$0$23372$>,
JF Mezei <> wrote:

> I was thinking about this upgrade path issue.
>
> You know how Apple decided to stop development on PowerPC ? It probably
> figured that people needed a nudge to help them decide to buy a new Mac.
>
> Perhaps Microsoft, in concert with HP/Dell/Lenovo, decided that anyone
> still running XP was running an old hardware and had delayed upgrades
> until a half decent version of Windows came around.
>
> Now that a half decent versions of windows is available (haven't heard
> that before ? :-), the hopes would be that people would simply buy a new
> PC and ditch the old one and thus not need to "upgrade" from XP.
>
> After all, what percentage of PC buyers move their old system disk to a
> new machine to conserve tehir environment ?

You may be right. Figure also, the least someone would pay to UPGRADE
Windows would be the Basic Upgrade at $120. A lot of people may figure
if they're going to pay that much to upgrade, may as well buy a new PC
that already comes with Win7 installed, and maybe the Pro or Ultimate
version at that. They'd also then have a disc with the full version on
it rather than the upgrade version.

In article
<djstewart->,
DanS <> wrote:

>
> You may be right. Figure also, the least someone would pay to UPGRADE
> Windows would be the Basic Upgrade at $120. A lot of people may figure
> if they're going to pay that much to upgrade, may as well buy a new PC
> that already comes with Win7 installed, and maybe the Pro or Ultimate
> version at that. They'd also then have a disc with the full version on
> it rather than the upgrade version.

Just wondering: What is the cheapest way (version) to upgrade from XP on
my BootCamp partition? I only need basic services like Internet access,
because I only use it for programs that refuse to run under Parallels.

And: What will I loose or gain, from a Mac user point of view?
Like incompatibilities of learning CD's, current simulators etc.
And what is to gain in stability and such?

Also: Does Windows 7 have a nuisance of a licencse scheme (like calling,
writing etc) if I move the Windows partition to a new computer?
I currently am very happy with my Windows XP corporate license, where
reentering the license key is about the worst that happens.

TIA

Marc

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In article <marc.heusser->,
Marc Heusser < d>
wrote:

> In article
> <djstewart->,
> DanS <> wrote:
>
> >
> > You may be right. Figure also, the least someone would pay to UPGRADE
> > Windows would be the Basic Upgrade at $120. A lot of people may figure
> > if they're going to pay that much to upgrade, may as well buy a new PC
> > that already comes with Win7 installed, and maybe the Pro or Ultimate
> > version at that. They'd also then have a disc with the full version on
> > it rather than the upgrade version.
>
> Just wondering: What is the cheapest way (version) to upgrade from XP on
> my BootCamp partition? I only need basic services like Internet access,
> because I only use it for programs that refuse to run under Parallels.
>

www.win741.com is a microsoft site that will sell it to you for 29.95 if
you can prove that you're a student. There are probably other special
deals somewhere as well.

> And: What will I loose or gain, from a Mac user point of view?
> Like incompatibilities of learning CD's, current simulators etc.
> And what is to gain in stability and such?
>

One of my computers is a Win 7 one and I haven't yet solved the connect
my Snow Leopard notebook to my Win 7 workgroup. But I'm sure that it's
only a few more trials away.

> Also: Does Windows 7 have a nuisance of a licencse scheme (like calling,
> writing etc) if I move the Windows partition to a new computer?
> I currently am very happy with my Windows XP corporate license, where
> reentering the license key is about the worst that happens.
>

Probably. My copy is an MSDNAA copy and has given me no problems but I
suspect that Win 7 activates like Vista.

James Sidbury wrote:

> www.win741.com is a microsoft site that will sell it to you for 29.95 if
> you can prove that you're a student. There are probably other special
> deals somewhere as well.

Microsoft lives by volume sales. And volume sales rely on advertised
prices, not obscure tricks to get a cheaper version.

Masses will see the regular Microsoft prices. They won't see the hidden
deal for students when they go to some obscure web site. And they will
make their decision based on the advertised price.

In article <DrJamesSidbury->,
James Sidbury <> wrote:

> In article <marc.heusser->,
> Marc Heusser < d>
> wrote:
>
....
> > Just wondering: What is the cheapest way (version) to upgrade from XP on
> > my BootCamp partition? I only need basic services like Internet access,
> > because I only use it for programs that refuse to run under Parallels.
> >
>
> www.win741.com is a microsoft site that will sell it to you for 29.95 if
> you can prove that you're a student. There are probably other special
> deals somewhere as well.

I can prove that but the program seems not to be available for Swiss
students.

....
> > Also: Does Windows 7 have a nuisance of a licencse scheme (like calling,
> > writing etc) if I move the Windows partition to a new computer?
> > I currently am very happy with my Windows XP corporate license, where
> > reentering the license key is about the worst that happens.
> >
>
> Probably. My copy is an MSDNAA copy and has given me no problems but I
> suspect that Win 7 activates like Vista.

Ok, that convinces me to skip Windows 7 until further necessity. I do
hate software that makes it difficult for legal owners.

(Compare that with Mathematica, expensive and well protected software
where moving to a new machine requires a license and machine number
entry on a website, I get a password for a few days immediately and a
permanent one by email within 2 days and that is it.)

If I understood correctyl MS will patch XP until 2014 - enough time to
make up my mind for the next MS operating system, should I still need it
for anything.

Thanks

Marc

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In article <00e6f444$0$23372$>,
JF Mezei <> wrote:

> After all, what percentage of PC buyers move their old system disk to a
> new machine to conserve tehir environment ?

I haven't looked at Windows in detail since NT 4.0 days, but that only
installed components for the hardware it found. In other words, you
needed to install again for new hardware.

--
Paul Sture

In article <00aa3256$0$6691$>,
JF Mezei <> wrote:

> James Sidbury wrote:
>
> > www.win741.com is a microsoft site that will sell it to you for 29.95 if
> > you can prove that you're a student. There are probably other special
> > deals somewhere as well.
>
> Microsoft lives by volume sales. And volume sales rely on advertised
> prices, not obscure tricks to get a cheaper version.
>
> Masses will see the regular Microsoft prices. They won't see the hidden
> deal for students when they go to some obscure web site. And they will
> make their decision based on the advertised price.

and?

P. Sture wrote:
> I haven't looked at Windows in detail since NT 4.0 days, but that only
> installed components for the hardware it found. In other words, you
> needed to install again for new hardware.

More recent versions attempt to install drivers whenever they detect a
change. They don't always succeed, but they do surprisingly well.

--
Wes Groleau

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