Re: Using a Router with SBC DSL

"John Richards" <> wrote in
news:j3Hjh.52651$. net:

> <Boris> wrote in message
> news:-...
>> "John Richards" <> wrote in
>> news:nKyjh.11538$ t:
>>> Chances are, everything will just work when you connect the router.
>>> Routers have gotten pretty smart about discovering what type of
>>> connection you have. You can let the modem continue to handle
>>> the PPPoE login. Try an ethernet connection before you set up
>>> the wireless part.
>>>
>>
>> I found the Dlink 524 manual on-line, and it does tell how to set up
>> for DSL PPPoE, and set for either static or DHCP.
>
> If you set up the router for PPPoE, you'll have to go into the
> modem's config screen and set it up for bridging (non-PPPoE).
> You can't have both boxes doing the PPPoE login chore.
>
>> But, as you say, the first thing I'll do is just try it "Plug and
>> Play" out of the box with the ethernet connection to the desktop.
>
> Yep, that should work.
> Configure WiFi security (WPA) after you get it working in
> non-secure wireless mode first.
>

I am cross-posting this to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell.

Some background, which is not included in the partial ba.internet thread
from above: My in-laws have a Dell desktop connected to an SBC DSL
modem. They got a new i6400 laptop, and a DLink 524 wireless router. I
was connecting it all up for them.

I turned off all equipment, and then wired the dsl modem to the router,
and the router to the desktop. I then brought the modem up, then the
router, and then the desktop. It was plug and play. I now had a DCHP
connected desktop. Next was the new laptop.

I didn't try to connect the laptop using one of the wired LAN ports on
the router, since I assumed it would work fine just like the desktop. I
was interested in getting the wireless networking up and running on the
laptop for my in-laws.

I turned the laptop on and the wireless connection icon in the system
tray was red X'd out. I right clicked on it, expecting to enable it, or
search for available networks, or use the Wireless Connection Wizard to
get connected wirelessly, but when I did, I got:

"Windows cannot configure this wireless connection.
If you have enabled another program to manage this wireless connection,
use that software. If you want Windows to configure this wireless
connection, start the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) Service. For
information about starting the WZC, see article 871122 in the Microsoft
Knowledge Base."

A few seconds later, a window (the style of which I'd never seen
before...it didn't look like a Windows information box) popped up that
said (sorry, I don't have the verbage at hand) to click here to choose a
wireless connection. When I did, I could see all the networks in the
neighborhood, including the wireless router I had just set up. I choose
it as my primary network connection, and I was on the internet.

I've configured two other laptops with XP SP2, and I've never seen this
message.

I've not been able to get to KB871122; the page refuses to load tonight.
But, I did find this on Practically Networked:
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/qa/qa20040311.shtml
which I will read and learn more about the WZC Service.

Does anyone know why a new Dell laptop, out of the box, gave me this
message? I had to leave right when I finally got it connected
wirelessly, so I didn't have time to see what piece of software made the
wireless connection. I will return tomorrow to check on it, but in the
meantime, does anyone know what software it might be?

Thanks

<Boris> wrote in message
news:. ..
> "John Richards" <> wrote in
> news:j3Hjh.52651$. net:
>
>> <Boris> wrote in message
>> news:-...
>>> "John Richards" <> wrote in
>>> news:nKyjh.11538$ t:
>>>> Chances are, everything will just work when you connect the router.
>>>> Routers have gotten pretty smart about discovering what type of
>>>> connection you have. You can let the modem continue to handle
>>>> the PPPoE login. Try an ethernet connection before you set up
>>>> the wireless part.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I found the Dlink 524 manual on-line, and it does tell how to set up
>>> for DSL PPPoE, and set for either static or DHCP.
>>
>> If you set up the router for PPPoE, you'll have to go into the
>> modem's config screen and set it up for bridging (non-PPPoE).
>> You can't have both boxes doing the PPPoE login chore.
>>
>>> But, as you say, the first thing I'll do is just try it "Plug and
>>> Play" out of the box with the ethernet connection to the desktop.
>>
>> Yep, that should work.
>> Configure WiFi security (WPA) after you get it working in
>> non-secure wireless mode first.
>>
>
> I am cross-posting this to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell.
>
> Some background, which is not included in the partial ba.internet thread
> from above: My in-laws have a Dell desktop connected to an SBC DSL
> modem. They got a new i6400 laptop, and a DLink 524 wireless router. I
> was connecting it all up for them.
>
> I turned off all equipment, and then wired the dsl modem to the router,
> and the router to the desktop. I then brought the modem up, then the
> router, and then the desktop. It was plug and play. I now had a DCHP
> connected desktop. Next was the new laptop.
>
> I didn't try to connect the laptop using one of the wired LAN ports on
> the router, since I assumed it would work fine just like the desktop. I
> was interested in getting the wireless networking up and running on the
> laptop for my in-laws.
>
> I turned the laptop on and the wireless connection icon in the system
> tray was red X'd out. I right clicked on it, expecting to enable it, or
> search for available networks, or use the Wireless Connection Wizard to
> get connected wirelessly, but when I did, I got:
>
> "Windows cannot configure this wireless connection.
> If you have enabled another program to manage this wireless connection,
> use that software. If you want Windows to configure this wireless
> connection, start the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) Service. For
> information about starting the WZC, see article 871122 in the Microsoft
> Knowledge Base."
>
> A few seconds later, a window (the style of which I'd never seen
> before...it didn't look like a Windows information box) popped up that
> said (sorry, I don't have the verbage at hand) to click here to choose a
> wireless connection. When I did, I could see all the networks in the
> neighborhood, including the wireless router I had just set up. I choose
> it as my primary network connection, and I was on the internet.
>
> I've configured two other laptops with XP SP2, and I've never seen this
> message.
>
> I've not been able to get to KB871122; the page refuses to load tonight.
> But, I did find this on Practically Networked:
> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/qa/qa20040311.shtml
> which I will read and learn more about the WZC Service.
>
> Does anyone know why a new Dell laptop, out of the box, gave me this
> message? I had to leave right when I finally got it connected
> wirelessly, so I didn't have time to see what piece of software made the
> wireless connection. I will return tomorrow to check on it, but in the
> meantime, does anyone know what software it might be?
>
> Thanks


It's likely software that came with the wireless card. Whenever there is
such software, it turns off Windows' control of the wireless connection.

If it works, why worry?

Tom Scales wrote:
> <Boris> wrote in message
> news:. ..
> > "John Richards" <> wrote in
> > news:j3Hjh.52651$. net:
> >
> >> <Boris> wrote in message
> >> news:-...
> >>> "John Richards" <> wrote in
> >>> news:nKyjh.11538$ t:
> >>>> Chances are, everything will just work when you connect the router.
> >>>> Routers have gotten pretty smart about discovering what type of
> >>>> connection you have. You can let the modem continue to handle
> >>>> the PPPoE login. Try an ethernet connection before you set up
> >>>> the wireless part.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I found the Dlink 524 manual on-line, and it does tell how to set up
> >>> for DSL PPPoE, and set for either static or DHCP.
> >>
> >> If you set up the router for PPPoE, you'll have to go into the
> >> modem's config screen and set it up for bridging (non-PPPoE).
> >> You can't have both boxes doing the PPPoE login chore.
> >>
> >>> But, as you say, the first thing I'll do is just try it "Plug and
> >>> Play" out of the box with the ethernet connection to the desktop.
> >>
> >> Yep, that should work.
> >> Configure WiFi security (WPA) after you get it working in
> >> non-secure wireless mode first.
> >>
> >
> > I am cross-posting this to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell.
> >
> > Some background, which is not included in the partial ba.internet thread
> > from above: My in-laws have a Dell desktop connected to an SBC DSL
> > modem. They got a new i6400 laptop, and a DLink 524 wireless router. I
> > was connecting it all up for them.
> >
> > I turned off all equipment, and then wired the dsl modem to the router,
> > and the router to the desktop. I then brought the modem up, then the
> > router, and then the desktop. It was plug and play. I now had a DCHP
> > connected desktop. Next was the new laptop.
> >
> > I didn't try to connect the laptop using one of the wired LAN ports on
> > the router, since I assumed it would work fine just like the desktop. I
> > was interested in getting the wireless networking up and running on the
> > laptop for my in-laws.
> >
> > I turned the laptop on and the wireless connection icon in the system
> > tray was red X'd out. I right clicked on it, expecting to enable it, or
> > search for available networks, or use the Wireless Connection Wizard to
> > get connected wirelessly, but when I did, I got:
> >
> > "Windows cannot configure this wireless connection.
> > If you have enabled another program to manage this wireless connection,
> > use that software. If you want Windows to configure this wireless
> > connection, start the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) Service. For
> > information about starting the WZC, see article 871122 in the Microsoft
> > Knowledge Base."
> >
> > A few seconds later, a window (the style of which I'd never seen
> > before...it didn't look like a Windows information box) popped up that
> > said (sorry, I don't have the verbage at hand) to click here to choose a
> > wireless connection. When I did, I could see all the networks in the
> > neighborhood, including the wireless router I had just set up. I choose
> > it as my primary network connection, and I was on the internet.
> >
> > I've configured two other laptops with XP SP2, and I've never seen this
> > message.
> >
> > I've not been able to get to KB871122; the page refuses to load tonight.
> > But, I did find this on Practically Networked:
> > http://www.practicallynetworked.com/qa/qa20040311.shtml
> > which I will read and learn more about the WZC Service.
> >
> > Does anyone know why a new Dell laptop, out of the box, gave me this
> > message? I had to leave right when I finally got it connected
> > wirelessly, so I didn't have time to see what piece of software made the
> > wireless connection. I will return tomorrow to check on it, but in the
> > meantime, does anyone know what software it might be?
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> It's likely software that came with the wireless card. Whenever there is
> such software, it turns off Windows' control of the wireless connection.
>
> If it works, why worry?

What, me worry?

But, the question still remains, why did this happen? I did order the
Intel 3945 wireless card, so I wonder if Dell mistakenly configured
with their own Dell wireless card. I'll have to check this tonight
when I go back to their house.

More importantly, if I turn the laptop off, and loose the wireless
connection, when I turn it back on, I don't always get the pop-up
window that tells me to 'click here to find wireless networks in the
area'. And, since the Windows wireless icon that sits in the system
tray is always red X'd out, I can't right click on that to locate the
wireless networks (including my own) in the area. I have to keep
turning the laptop off and back on until whatever piece of wireless
networking software is installed pops ups, allowing me to view my own
SSID, and select it to connect wirelessly.

you should disable and remove the wireless software that shipped with
the intel card. then go back into windows wireless properties and check
the box that says allow windows to control my wireless settings. then
it will be back to the way you expect.
i've also found ill results using the non-windows wireless software.
also found it to be bloaty.




Boris wrote:
> Tom Scales wrote:
>> <Boris> wrote in message
>> news:. ..
>>> "John Richards" <> wrote in
>>> news:j3Hjh.52651$. net:
>>>
>>>> <Boris> wrote in message
>>>> news:-...
>>>>> "John Richards" <> wrote in
>>>>> news:nKyjh.11538$ t:
>>>>>> Chances are, everything will just work when you connect the router.
>>>>>> Routers have gotten pretty smart about discovering what type of
>>>>>> connection you have. You can let the modem continue to handle
>>>>>> the PPPoE login. Try an ethernet connection before you set up
>>>>>> the wireless part.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I found the Dlink 524 manual on-line, and it does tell how to set up
>>>>> for DSL PPPoE, and set for either static or DHCP.
>>>> If you set up the router for PPPoE, you'll have to go into the
>>>> modem's config screen and set it up for bridging (non-PPPoE).
>>>> You can't have both boxes doing the PPPoE login chore.
>>>>
>>>>> But, as you say, the first thing I'll do is just try it "Plug and
>>>>> Play" out of the box with the ethernet connection to the desktop.
>>>> Yep, that should work.
>>>> Configure WiFi security (WPA) after you get it working in
>>>> non-secure wireless mode first.
>>>>
>>> I am cross-posting this to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell.
>>>
>>> Some background, which is not included in the partial ba.internet thread
>>> from above: My in-laws have a Dell desktop connected to an SBC DSL
>>> modem. They got a new i6400 laptop, and a DLink 524 wireless router. I
>>> was connecting it all up for them.
>>>
>>> I turned off all equipment, and then wired the dsl modem to the router,
>>> and the router to the desktop. I then brought the modem up, then the
>>> router, and then the desktop. It was plug and play. I now had a DCHP
>>> connected desktop. Next was the new laptop.
>>>
>>> I didn't try to connect the laptop using one of the wired LAN ports on
>>> the router, since I assumed it would work fine just like the desktop. I
>>> was interested in getting the wireless networking up and running on the
>>> laptop for my in-laws.
>>>
>>> I turned the laptop on and the wireless connection icon in the system
>>> tray was red X'd out. I right clicked on it, expecting to enable it, or
>>> search for available networks, or use the Wireless Connection Wizard to
>>> get connected wirelessly, but when I did, I got:
>>>
>>> "Windows cannot configure this wireless connection.
>>> If you have enabled another program to manage this wireless connection,
>>> use that software. If you want Windows to configure this wireless
>>> connection, start the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) Service. For
>>> information about starting the WZC, see article 871122 in the Microsoft
>>> Knowledge Base."
>>>
>>> A few seconds later, a window (the style of which I'd never seen
>>> before...it didn't look like a Windows information box) popped up that
>>> said (sorry, I don't have the verbage at hand) to click here to choose a
>>> wireless connection. When I did, I could see all the networks in the
>>> neighborhood, including the wireless router I had just set up. I choose
>>> it as my primary network connection, and I was on the internet.
>>>
>>> I've configured two other laptops with XP SP2, and I've never seen this
>>> message.
>>>
>>> I've not been able to get to KB871122; the page refuses to load tonight.
>>> But, I did find this on Practically Networked:
>>> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/qa/qa20040311.shtml
>>> which I will read and learn more about the WZC Service.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know why a new Dell laptop, out of the box, gave me this
>>> message? I had to leave right when I finally got it connected
>>> wirelessly, so I didn't have time to see what piece of software made the
>>> wireless connection. I will return tomorrow to check on it, but in the
>>> meantime, does anyone know what software it might be?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> It's likely software that came with the wireless card. Whenever there is
>> such software, it turns off Windows' control of the wireless connection.
>>
>> If it works, why worry?
>
> What, me worry?
>
> But, the question still remains, why did this happen? I did order the
> Intel 3945 wireless card, so I wonder if Dell mistakenly configured
> with their own Dell wireless card. I'll have to check this tonight
> when I go back to their house.
>
> More importantly, if I turn the laptop off, and loose the wireless
> connection, when I turn it back on, I don't always get the pop-up
> window that tells me to 'click here to find wireless networks in the
> area'. And, since the Windows wireless icon that sits in the system
> tray is always red X'd out, I can't right click on that to locate the
> wireless networks (including my own) in the area. I have to keep
> turning the laptop off and back on until whatever piece of wireless
> networking software is installed pops ups, allowing me to view my own
> SSID, and select it to connect wirelessly.
>

"Jay B" <> wrote in message
news:RExkh.16$...
> you should disable and remove the wireless software that shipped with the
> intel card. then go back into windows wireless properties and check the
> box that says allow windows to control my wireless settings. then it will
> be back to the way you expect.
> i've also found ill results using the non-windows wireless software.
> also found it to be bloaty.
>


Agreed. The Intel wireless software utility is a problem. Remove it and let
Windows native wireless handle it. I've had this work twice in the past.....

Jay B wrote:
> you should disable and remove the wireless software that shipped with
> the intel card. then go back into windows wireless properties and check
> the box that says allow windows to control my wireless settings. then
> it will be back to the way you expect.
> i've also found ill results using the non-windows wireless software.
> also found it to be bloaty.
>
>
>
>
> Boris wrote:
> > Tom Scales wrote:
> >> <Boris> wrote in message
> >> news:. ..
> >>> "John Richards" <> wrote in
> >>> news:j3Hjh.52651$. net:
> >>>
> >>>> <Boris> wrote in message
> >>>> news:-...
> >>>>> "John Richards" <> wrote in
> >>>>> news:nKyjh.11538$ t:
> >>>>>> Chances are, everything will just work when you connect the router.
> >>>>>> Routers have gotten pretty smart about discovering what type of
> >>>>>> connection you have. You can let the modem continue to handle
> >>>>>> the PPPoE login. Try an ethernet connection before you set up
> >>>>>> the wireless part.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I found the Dlink 524 manual on-line, and it does tell how to set up
> >>>>> for DSL PPPoE, and set for either static or DHCP.
> >>>> If you set up the router for PPPoE, you'll have to go into the
> >>>> modem's config screen and set it up for bridging (non-PPPoE).
> >>>> You can't have both boxes doing the PPPoE login chore.
> >>>>
> >>>>> But, as you say, the first thing I'll do is just try it "Plug and
> >>>>> Play" out of the box with the ethernet connection to the desktop.
> >>>> Yep, that should work.
> >>>> Configure WiFi security (WPA) after you get it working in
> >>>> non-secure wireless mode first.
> >>>>
> >>> I am cross-posting this to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell.
> >>>
> >>> Some background, which is not included in the partial ba.internet thread
> >>> from above: My in-laws have a Dell desktop connected to an SBC DSL
> >>> modem. They got a new i6400 laptop, and a DLink 524 wireless router. I
> >>> was connecting it all up for them.
> >>>
> >>> I turned off all equipment, and then wired the dsl modem to the router,
> >>> and the router to the desktop. I then brought the modem up, then the
> >>> router, and then the desktop. It was plug and play. I now had a DCHP
> >>> connected desktop. Next was the new laptop.
> >>>
> >>> I didn't try to connect the laptop using one of the wired LAN ports on
> >>> the router, since I assumed it would work fine just like the desktop. I
> >>> was interested in getting the wireless networking up and running on the
> >>> laptop for my in-laws.
> >>>
> >>> I turned the laptop on and the wireless connection icon in the system
> >>> tray was red X'd out. I right clicked on it, expecting to enable it, or
> >>> search for available networks, or use the Wireless Connection Wizard to
> >>> get connected wirelessly, but when I did, I got:
> >>>
> >>> "Windows cannot configure this wireless connection.
> >>> If you have enabled another program to manage this wireless connection,
> >>> use that software. If you want Windows to configure this wireless
> >>> connection, start the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) Service. For
> >>> information about starting the WZC, see article 871122 in the Microsoft
> >>> Knowledge Base."
> >>>
> >>> A few seconds later, a window (the style of which I'd never seen
> >>> before...it didn't look like a Windows information box) popped up that
> >>> said (sorry, I don't have the verbage at hand) to click here to choose a
> >>> wireless connection. When I did, I could see all the networks in the
> >>> neighborhood, including the wireless router I had just set up. I choose
> >>> it as my primary network connection, and I was on the internet.
> >>>
> >>> I've configured two other laptops with XP SP2, and I've never seen this
> >>> message.
> >>>
> >>> I've not been able to get to KB871122; the page refuses to load tonight.
> >>> But, I did find this on Practically Networked:
> >>> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/qa/qa20040311.shtml
> >>> which I will read and learn more about the WZC Service.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know why a new Dell laptop, out of the box, gave me this
> >>> message? I had to leave right when I finally got it connected
> >>> wirelessly, so I didn't have time to see what piece of software made the
> >>> wireless connection. I will return tomorrow to check on it, but in the
> >>> meantime, does anyone know what software it might be?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>
> >> It's likely software that came with the wireless card. Whenever there is
> >> such software, it turns off Windows' control of the wireless connection.
> >>
> >> If it works, why worry?
> >
> > What, me worry?
> >
> > But, the question still remains, why did this happen? I did order the
> > Intel 3945 wireless card, so I wonder if Dell mistakenly configured
> > with their own Dell wireless card. I'll have to check this tonight
> > when I go back to their house.
> >
> > More importantly, if I turn the laptop off, and loose the wireless
> > connection, when I turn it back on, I don't always get the pop-up
> > window that tells me to 'click here to find wireless networks in the
> > area'. And, since the Windows wireless icon that sits in the system
> > tray is always red X'd out, I can't right click on that to locate the
> > wireless networks (including my own) in the area. I have to keep
> > turning the laptop off and back on until whatever piece of wireless
> > networking software is installed pops ups, allowing me to view my own
> > SSID, and select it to connect wirelessly.
> >

(I'm not at the laptop now...)

OK. I'll assume that the WZC Service is working correctly, but I'll
check to be sure when I get back to the laptop.

Then, I'll disable the current network connection, and then uninstall
in the Control Panel?
Next, I'll simply allow Windows to configure the wireless connection.

TIA

"Boris" <boris-> wrote in message news: ups.com...
>
> OK. I'll assume that the WZC Service is working correctly, but I'll
> check to be sure when I get back to the laptop.
>
> Then, I'll disable the current network connection

No.

> and then uninstall
> in the Control Panel?

Be careful, you *do* want to keep the driver, just not the vendor's
wireless configuration utility. Chances are, you'll see it under
Start/All Programs/Startup. Just delete it from the Startup folder.
If it's not in the Startup folder, you can probably find it by
running msconfig.exe, look under its Startup tab.

> Next, I'll simply allow Windows to configure the wireless connection.

Yes, it typically performs as well, if not better than the third party
utilities, and is guaranteed to be Windows XP compatible. :-)

--
John Richards

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:11:03 -0600, "S.Lewis" <> wrote
in <nOxkh.10043$>:

>"Jay B" <> wrote in message
>news:RExkh.16$...
>> you should disable and remove the wireless software that shipped with the
>> intel card. then go back into windows wireless properties and check the
>> box that says allow windows to control my wireless settings. then it will
>> be back to the way you expect.
>> i've also found ill results using the non-windows wireless software.
>> also found it to be bloaty.

>Agreed. The Intel wireless software utility is a problem. Remove it and let
>Windows native wireless handle it. I've had this work twice in the past.....

My own experience is that the Intel wireless software utility is
excellent, better than Windows native.

--
Best regards,
John Navas