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Re: Welcome to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad!

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      02-05-2008, 01:11 PM
Hmmm. My reader says this is ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad

Is there some clandestine plan to usurp this group?

Forged headers? WTF is John Navas?

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:12:52 GMT, John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad is a new official "Big 8" Usenet newsgroup for
>discussions pertaining to IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad notebook computers that
>should be more widely and freely available than other forums.
>Anyone interested in ThinkPad computers is cordially invited to
>In addition to regular Usenet news services, current and past articles
>can be easily and freely accessed on Google Groups at
><> (old look)
>or <>
>(new look).
>comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad is for discussions pertaining to ThinkPad (IBM
>and Lenovo) laptop computers. It is NOT an official support forum for
>IBM or Lenovo.
>General Usenet "netiquette" guidelines as posted in
>news.announce.newusers and news.answers shall apply to this newsgroup.
>In particular, participants are asked to show courtesy and respect for
>other participants, and to avoid the use of offensive language,
>excessive quoting, or long signature blocks. Participants are encouraged
>to use descriptive Subjects (e.g., "T41 won't boot after disk swap"
>rather than just "Help").
>The following types of posts are prohibited:
> * Off-topic (not directly related to ThinkPad laptop computers)
> * Binaries (except for appended text-encoded digital signatures)
> * Spam (including excessive cross-posting)
> * Make-money-fast or other chain or fraudulent schemes
> * Work-at-home or other scams
> * Commercial advertisements, "infomercials," or announcements
> * Auction notices (e.g., eBay)
> * Forged articles (anonymous articles are allowed)
> * Personal insults or repetitive flaming (attacks)
> * Employment (help and/or position wanted) notices
>The use of e-mail addresses from articles posted to this group for the
>purpose of sending junk (mass unsolicited) e-mail or for compiling a
>list so that others may do so is specifically prohibited.
>In the absence of moderation, prohibitions can, of course, only be
>enforced by the collective will of the group and/or by after-the-fact
>complaints to the offender's service provider. Nevertheless, it is hoped
>that this charter will help in getting complaints resolved.
>John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)>
>ThinkPad is a major and very popular brand of laptop/notebook computers,
>formerly part of IBM, now part of Lenovo, with many unique features that
>set the brand apart from other brands of laptop computers.
>Discussions pertaining to ThinkPad laptop computers are currently
>carried in:
> * comp.sys.laptops:
> - generic laptop discussion group
> - traffic of 40 articles per day, down from peak of over 100 per day
> - will remain for discussions not pertaining to ThinkPad
> - Google archive of over 170,000 articles
> * ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad:
> - invalid newsgroup not carried by many news providers
> - traffic of 10 articles per day
> - Google archive of over 9,000 articles
> *
> - broken down into multiple specific topics
> - over 15,000 registered users
> - over 200,000 articles
> * ThinkPad mailing list
> - List:
> - Archive:
> - traffic of 5-15 messages per day
>The existence of ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad and the popularity of
>, and traffic on the ThinkPad mailing list, are
>evidence of the demand for a ThinkPad brand-specific forum.
>Once it becomes carried widely, comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad is expected to
>have initial traffic of at least 20 articles per day.
>comp.sys.laptops would remain for discussions not pertaining to ThinkPad
>computers. Although some traffic would presumably be siphoned off into
>comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad, the creation of a specific subgroup might
>re-stimulate interest enough to result in more traffic, and possibly in
>the creation of other comp.sys.laptops.* subgroups.
>HISTORY: comp.sys.laptops
>comp.sys.laptops was created in about 1990. Traffic apparently peaked at
>over 100 articles per day before declining to its current level of about
>40 articles per day. This decline is believed to be more due to
>siphoning off by brand-specific web forums (e.g.,,
>and lack of brand focus, not any lack of interest in laptop computers.
>Adding specific subgroups (IBM, Toshiba, etc.) to comp.sys.laptops was
>proposed in 1994-1995, but apparently went nowhere:

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