On Mar 23, 9:56*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad is a new official "Big 8" Usenet newsgroup for
> discussions pertaining to IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad notebook computers that
> should be more widely and freely available than other forums.
>
> Anyone interested in ThinkPad computers is cordially invited to
> participate.
>
> In addition to regular Usenet news services, current and past articles
> can be easily and freely accessed on Google Groups at
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad> (old look)
> or <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad/>
> (new look).
>
> CHARTER:
>
> comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad is for discussions pertaining to ThinkPad (IBM
> and Lenovo) laptop computers. It is NOT an official support forum for
> IBM or Lenovo.
>
> General Usenet "netiquette" guidelines as posted in
> news.announce.newusers and news.answers shall apply to this newsgroup.
> In particular, participants are asked to show courtesy and respect for
> other participants, and to avoid the use of offensive language,
> excessive quoting, or long signature blocks. Participants are encouraged
> to use descriptive Subjects (e.g., "T41 won't boot after disk swap"
> rather than just "Help").
>
> The following types of posts are prohibited:
>
> * * Off-topic (not directly related to ThinkPad laptop computers)
> * * Binaries (except for appended text-encoded digital signatures)
> * * Spam (including excessive cross-posting)
> * * Make-money-fast or other chain or fraudulent schemes
> * * Work-at-home or other scams
> * * Commercial advertisements, "infomercials," or announcements
> * * Auction notices (e.g., eBay)
> * * Forged articles (anonymous articles are allowed)
> * * Personal insults or repetitive flaming (attacks)
> * * Employment (help and/or position wanted) notices
>
> The use of e-mail addresses from articles posted to this group for the
> purpose of sending junk (mass unsolicited) e-mail or for compiling a
> list so that others may do so is specifically prohibited.
>
> In the absence of moderation, prohibitions can, of course, only be
> enforced by the collective will of the group and/or by after-the-fact
> complaints to the offender's service provider. Nevertheless, it is hoped
> that this charter will help in getting complaints resolved.
>
> PROPONENT:
>
> John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com>
>
> RATIONALE:
>
> ThinkPad is a major and very popular brand of laptop/notebook computers,
> formerly part of IBM, now part of Lenovo, with many unique features that
> set the brand apart from other brands of laptop computers.
>
> Discussions pertaining to ThinkPad laptop computers are currently
> carried in:
>
> * * comp.sys.laptops:
> * * - generic laptop discussion group
> * * - traffic of 40 articles per day, down from peak of over 100 per day
> * * - will remain for discussions not pertaining to ThinkPad
> * * - Google archive of over 170,000 articles
>
> * * ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad:
> * * - invalid newsgroup not carried by many news providers
> * * - traffic of 10 articles per day
> * * - Google archive of over 9,000 articles
>
> * *http://forum.thinkpads.com/
> * * - broken down into multiple specific topics
> * * - over 15,000 registered users
> * * - over 200,000 articles
>
> * * ThinkPad mailing list
> * * - List:http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad
> * * - Archive:http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/
> * * - traffic of 5-15 messages per day
>
> The existence of ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad and the popularity of
> forum.thinkpads.com, and traffic on the ThinkPad mailing list, are
> evidence of the demand for a ThinkPad brand-specific forum.
>
> Once it becomes carried widely, comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad is expected to
> have initial traffic of at least 20 articles per day.
>
> comp.sys.laptops would remain for discussions not pertaining to ThinkPad
> computers. Although some traffic would presumably be siphoned off into
> comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad, the creation of a specific subgroup might
> re-stimulate interest enough to result in more traffic, and possibly in
> the creation of other comp.sys.laptops.* subgroups.
>
> HISTORY: comp.sys.laptops
>
> comp.sys.laptops was created in about 1990. Traffic apparently peaked at
> over 100 articles per day before declining to its current level of about
> 40 articles per day. This decline is believed to be more due to
> siphoning off by brand-specific web forums (e.g., forum.thinkpads.com),
> and lack of brand focus, not any lack of interest in laptop computers.
>
> Adding specific subgroups (IBM, Toshiba, etc.) to comp.sys.laptops was
> proposed in 1994-1995, but apparently went nowhere:
>
> <ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.sys.laptop...>
>
> <ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.sys.laptop...>
>
> <<>>
John, I know you like ThinkPads (I have one) but don't you think
enough is enough...let it go!
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