soldered batteries

Is it best to leave a dead soldered battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~ 1/4
inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to solder in a
coin holder?
mc

On May 3, 8:24*am, "AWM" <wcwall....@verizon.net> wrote:
> Is it best to leave a dead soldered battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~ 1/4
> inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to solder in a
> coin holder?
> mc

If you have the proper skills and knowledge you would know not to
snip any leads if possible when soldering.
Your question is how to de solder the battery.
I would actually need a blow up of the area where he battery lies.

If you properly heat sink the area the desolder should be easy

A lithium Ion battery that has gone to heaven presents a high
resistance therefor a battery can be placed in parallel with
the old one.


I would just solder in a on board battery pack from Radio Shack

I'll send you a jpg hopefully later today...I do not have a heat sink so
I'll get one, and I'm not sure yet which lead is + or -. This is one of
smaller size bateries ( smaller than a dime I think), so I'm only guessing
it is a 3V at this point.
mc

"AWM" <> wrote in message
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> Is it best to leave a dead soldered battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~
> 1/4 inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to solder
> in a coin holder?
> mc
>

I had not thought about leaking, I was wondering if putting it in parallel
with the dead battery would shorten the life of the new one?
mc
"philo" <> wrote in message
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> "metronid" <> wrote in message
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> On May 3, 8:24 am, "AWM" <wcwall....@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Is it best to leave a dead soldered battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~
> 1/4
>> inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to solder in
> a
>> coin holder?
>> mc
>
> If you have the proper skills and knowledge you would know not to
> snip any leads if possible when soldering.
> Your question is how to de solder the battery.
> I would actually need a blow up of the area where he battery lies.
>
> If you properly heat sink the area the desolder should be easy
>
> A lithium Ion battery that has gone to heaven presents a high
> resistance therefor a battery can be placed in parallel with
> the old one.
>
>
> I would just solder in a on board battery pack from Radio Shack
>
>
>
> Except I'd be worried about it leaking...
> so I'd try to carefully remove it
>
>
>
>
>

On May 4, 8:27*am, "AWM" <wcwall....@verizon.net> wrote:
> I had not thought about leaking, I was wondering if putting it in parallel
> with the dead battery would shorten the life of the new one?
> mc"philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > "metronid" <metro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:07c17369-de41-4aed-9663-...
> > On May 3, 8:24 am, "AWM" <wcwall....@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> Is it best to leave a dead soldered battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~
> > 1/4
> >> inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to solder in
> > a
> >> coin holder?
> >> mc
>
> > If you have the proper skills and knowledge you would know not to
> > snip any leads *if possible when soldering.
> > Your question is how to de solder the battery.
> > I would actually need a blow up of the area where he battery lies.
>
> > If you properly heat sink the area the desolder should be easy
>
> > A lithium Ion battery that has gone to heaven presents a high
> > resistance therefor a battery can be placed in parallel with
> > the old one.
>
> > I would just solder in a on board battery pack from Radio Shack
>
> > Except I'd be worried about it leaking...
> > so I'd try to carefully remove it- Hide quoted text -
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Parallel is an option
Leaking.
Ben would have more experience with his knowledge of seeing older
systems.
Lithium batteries are not big leakers and were chosen for their long
life
and stability to not leak for years.


You can possibly desolder the battery from the other side of the
board.
That is most likely how it was originally installed.

I assuime that the battery before board manufacture already had the
leads attached.
I could be wrong
Then the component was inserted and the drip solder process for board
production was used.

Using this method will assure you do not heat or accidentally touch an
associated component.
You can

"AWM" <> wrote in message
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> Is it best to leave a dead soldered battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~
> 1/4 inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to solder
> in a coin holder?
> mc
One other option, if you can find one, is to simply plug in a third party
replacement CMOS batttery. This used to be the quick and easy alternative
to desoldering and resoldering the battery before boards came with their
present easily replaceable system.

On May 5, 10:16*am, "Kevin Childers" <kchil...@mail.win.org> wrote:
> "AWM" <wcwall....@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:QPYSj.508$Ve.468@trnddc08...> Is it best to leave a dead soldered battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~
> > 1/4 inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to solder
> > in a coin holder?
> > mc
>
> One other option, if you can find one, is to simply plug in a third party
> replacement CMOS batttery. *This used to be the quick and easy alternative
> to desoldering and resoldering the battery before boards came with their
> present easily replaceable system.


To the best of my limited knowledge.
This board does not accept the onboard battery as there is no plug
for an external cmos battery.
I can not even find a manual for this board.
If anyone has the .MVB file from the master CD that would be great.
I do have a picture of the board from AWM and it also shows no such
adapter as far as my eye can tell.
I also checked google and a few other sites and it has none.



It appears to have a flat tab soldered to the top that goes to the
board
and one beneath that i can not see
I would think it was dropped in to the board than driop soldered from
other side.
Can not see the other side of board either.
It could be a bilayer board at this point but i doubt it.
PB would not put out the extra cash for this type of board.




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On May 5, 6:56*pm, "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "metronid" <metro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d2c6527a-61dc-470a-9378-...
> On May 5, 10:16 am, "Kevin Childers" <kchil...@mail.win.org> wrote:> "AWM"<wcwall....@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:QPYSj.508$Ve.468@trnddc08...> Is it best to leave a dead soldered
>
> battery on a D1000 board ( it has ~
>
> > > 1/4 inch clearance above the board) or snip it off in attempting to
> solder
> > > in a coin holder?
> > > mc
>
> > One other option, if you can find one, is to simply plug in a third party
> > replacement CMOS batttery. This used to be the quick and easy alternative
> > to desoldering and resoldering the battery before boards came with their
> > present easily replaceable system.
>
> *To the best of my limited knowledge.
> *This board does not accept the onboard battery as there is no plug
> for an external cmos battery.
> *I can not even find a manual for this board.
> *If anyone has the *.MVB file from the master CD *that would be great.
> *I do have a picture of the board from AWM and it also shows no such
> adapter as far as my eye can tell.
> *I also checked google and a few other sites and it has none.
>
> It appears to *have a flat tab soldered *to the top that goes to the
> board
> and one beneath that i can not see
> I would think it was dropped in to the board than driop soldered from
> other side.
> Can not see the other side of board either.
> It could be a bilayer board at this point *but i doubt it.
> PB would not put out the extra cash for this type of board.
>
> I don't know what the chances af leakage are...
> but I would not feel comfortable to leave it

Philo we are talking abot removal of old battery
and insertion of a new one.
I also believe that leakage is a low probability if left in
based on past data
Lithium coin batteries are not known for leakage.

On May 5, 9:01*pm, "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
> <snip>
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> > I don't know what the chances af leakage are...
> > but I would not feel comfortable to leave it
>
> Philo we are talking abot removal of old battery
> and insertion of a new one.
> I also believe that leakage is a low probability if left in
> based on past data
> Lithium coin batteries are not known for leakage.
>
> True, the risk is probably minimal.


Philo
Not to be nasty but snipets are rude
Everyone on this group has used reply with all info attached.
>
> since i've been soldering since I was a kid...
> I , of course would remove it...
> but if one were not too sure of their skills
> then it would be better no to usolder it



Philo
Not to be nasty but snipets are rude
Everyone on this group has used reply with all info attached.


I did say chances
I also researched the problem and made a statement based on data.
Probabilty and chance are not the same although inter realated

I have been soldering for over 30 years
I have a degree in Chemistry and understand the compostion.
of the battery and understand all its principles






All I want to do is get this working for AWM
If you feel you can fix it
Go right ahaead

On May 6, 5:03*am, "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "metronid" <metro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 5, 9:01 pm, "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > > I don't know what the chances af leakage are...
> > > but I would not feel comfortable to leave it
>
> > Philo we are talking abot removal of old battery
> > and insertion of a new one.
> > I also believe that leakage is a low probability if left in
> > based on past data
> > Lithium coin batteries are not known for leakage.
>
> > True, the risk is probably minimal.
>
> Philo
> Not to be nasty but snipets are rude
> Everyone on this group has used reply with all info attached.
>
>
>
> > since i've been soldering since I was a kid...
> > I , of course would remove it...
> > but if one were not too sure of their skills
> > then it would be better no to usolder it
>
> Philo
> Not to be nasty but snipets are rude
> Everyone on this group has used reply with all info attached.
>
> I did say chances
> I also researched the problem and made a statement based on data.
> Probabilty and chance are not the same although inter realated
>
> I have been soldering for over 30 years
> I have a degree in Chemistry and understand the compostion.
> of the battery and understand all its principles
>
> All I want to do is get this working for AWM
> If you feel you can fix it
> Go right ahaead
>
> No snipping here...
> but on virtually any group I've been on...
> I get yelled at if I *don't* snip.
>
> If it's different here, yep...then I missed that one!
> My newsreader is simply configured unambiguously so nothing is missed, even
> if a message is snipped.
>
> Anyway...
>
> If you know how to solder...that's fine...the real question is..does the OP?
>
> Though it is never a good practice to leave an expent battery in place...
> if one does not feel comfortable unsoldering it...
> the risk of a "botched" job is certainly greater than just leaving it in.
>
> As to batteries... I am a senior service engineer for Enersys
> and have 33 years experience in the field.
>
> No, we do not mfg cmos batteries. <G>

Your job experience is superb
Now tell AWM how to remove the battery
Tell the person about snipping leads
Explain how to solder in a holder
Explain the advantages and disadvantages of leaving the old battery