somewhat of a n00b

"Von Gibbling" <> wrote in message
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> "Chip" <> wrote in message
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> > "Lurk re lurking" <> wrote in message
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> >> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:17:25 +0100, "Chip" <>
> >> >>
> >> >> Shouting's not necessary, but there's nothing wrong with
top-posting.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yes there is. It complete ruins the flow and readability of threads.
> >> >
> >> >Chip
> >> >
> >> Then maybe you need to work on your short term memory or accept that
> >> you are going to suffer a lot of anguish
> >
> > Yes, it pains me all the time.
> >
> >> as people will post where
> >> they like, not where you like.
> >
> > And yes, there are quite a bunch of ignorant people around. Fact is,
> > bottom-posting isn't just "what I like", its the way *netiquette* says
its
> > supposed to be.
>
>
> Now I know why you're called Chip.
> Face it old son, you're losing this one !
> Hehe.
> But then, who likes a netiquette Nazi ?
>

Losing? How so? Because other people who are also wrong disagree? I still
see no counter argument of any merit. In fact I see no counter arguments at
all. Just people getting emotional. But still failing to come up with any
constructive argument. So 3 idiots don't agree with me? Well I don't call
that losing! Now if someone can come up with some constructive comment,
then I will listen.

And a netiquette Nazi? More emotional language and no coherent argument.

I am not even remotely "Nazi"-ish about this. Like I said before, I didn't
even *start* the debate. And I certainly don't go around preaching about
it. All I have done is to state what I believe to be correct, and no-one
has the mental capacity to think on it and either agree or constructively
disagree. Just ranting. Quite a sad indictment.

Chip

>«snip»«snip»«snip»«snip»«snip»«snip»«snip»«snip»« snip»«snip»

From an earlier post of mine, re-posted for the same sad reason !

No one in this group or on God's earth needs a good or bad reason for
top or bottom posting. There are no rules, post your comment as you
wish in any fashion you choose, and ignore those who try to preach
their personal preferences.

Personal attacks have no place in a public forum and it's not my
intention to attack / flame whilst this is a group of specialized
or applied knowledge / content whose subject area does not lend itself
to top or bottom posting.

Top posting refers to putting your answer before the quoted material
you are responding to, read a million or so ' missives ' here and you
will see that this practice does not happen that often.

It's a winge that crops up without fail each and every month in all
groups including the technical ones, but it's still a winge. It's been
going on for more years than the average age of any group. You must
respect the ' community ' and bottom / top whatever posts are always
ok because there are no ' rulez '

Each to his own and ' whatever floats yer boat ' is ok by me. I assume
that individuals speak for themselves, but un-appointed net preachers
/ police / Nazi's who discriminate against any individual in any
community are very dangerous people and should moderate their
behavior. This is the USENET not a teens ' chat line ' .

This is a technical newsgroup and responding to paragraph led
questions is often impossible and unhelpful with either top or indeed
bottom posting. Responding to respective separate points in the same
article, makes it a requirement to put your response below each
individually. Ensuring proper chronological order, is all that is
needed to make reading both easier and more logical.

BoroLad

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:02:14 +0000, borolad wrote:

> No one in this group or on God's earth needs a good or bad reason for
> top or bottom posting. There are no rules, post your comment as you
> wish in any fashion you choose, and ignore those who try to preach
> their personal preferences.
>
But there is a reason. It's been spelled out many times. And it's been a
rule/guideline ever since I can remember, even back to the early 80's when
i started running a BBS. Now people can do what they want and disregard
these guidelines, but doing so would be to their disadvantage. as i know
myslef and others sometimes don't even bother with responding to such
messages as they are so jumbled up I'd have to completely edit them for my
reply to make sense. So with that I will leave this one link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

Like it or not, top posting is not considered the correct method.

--
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http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

ok then here is my question about the whole damn thing....

Why even top or bottom post, unless your are quoting then it would be a
bottom post just for the flow.


If the person is asking a question like:
3. Do you know of any programs that mention support for the MAX2?
5. What is the BEST after market cooler for the 9800 pro?
looked at zalman and AC ATI Silencer 1 OR 3 (if the 3 will fit).


ok so are far as someone replying to this post. why would i need to see
my same question quoted, I know what i wrote in the first post...

If some one is looking for info about the same they can line up the post
by message thread.

I mean realy does any only read the last post to get all the info? I
realy doubt it.



ok eg. this is what the next post would look like.






















As far as programs im not sure of any for the max2...
or

cpuextreamheat.exe (nice little prog. get it here http://www.getithere.com



The Silencer 3 wont fit but the 1 rocks..


hope this helps.



















SEE WHAT IM SAYING....

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:40:33 GMT, Wes Newell
<> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:02:14 +0000, borolad wrote:

>> No one in this group or on God's earth needs a good or bad reason for
>> top or bottom posting. There are no rules, post your comment as you
>> wish in any fashion you choose, and ignore those who try to preach
>> their personal preferences.

>But there is a reason. It's been spelled out many times. And it's been a
>rule/guideline ever since I can remember, even back to the early 80's when
>i started running a BBS. Now people can do what they want and disregard
>these guidelines, but doing so would be to their disadvantage. as i know
>myslef and others sometimes don't even bother with responding to such
>messages as they are so jumbled up I'd have to completely edit them for my
>reply to make sense. So with that I will leave this one link.

...... You have stated what your personal preference considers the
wrong method, care to enlighten the world with what you consider to be
the right one Wes?

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

>Like it or not, top posting is not considered the correct method.

Here is an opposing but equally flaky and supremacist view :

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

For each URL preaching top posting I can produce double that preaching
a-n-other supposedly ' correct ' method.

I suffer from Chronic Arthritis, and I don't like the pain, however
I'd rather the arthritic type pain than toothache
- - it's just the lesser of two intense evils.

I suffer from those who both 'top' and 'bottom' post, I don't like it,
but I'm happy to accept both / either because they are better than
people who impose their views in an endless and fanatical way on
anyone who does not conform to their chosen preference
- - it's just the lesser of two intense evils.

Both you Wes & Chip are good blokes, we've all been down here this
good many years and know that ' netiquette ' covers things like
spamming, binary snipping etc and things that are black & white and
un-ambiguous.

Non netiquette issues like top / bottom, maximum sig lines etc are as
you say above purely guidelines, and are then by definition, down to
individual choice.

Snipping and trimming is all that ever works in any group in general,
and technical groups in the particular. You look at your last hundred
or more posts and I'll bet most of them included both snipping and
trimming.
- - anything else starts wars.

Etiquette, is like god, it either does or does not exist according to
individual preference. I can accommodate those who have a USENET
defecit and top & bottom post, but those who suffer from the chaos of
individualism and synthetic indignation bordering on contrived and
corrosive net-nazi-ism trample on the community and are outside the
timeworn boundaries of collective good will.

Peaches & creosote do not go together, and those who insist that
people must post obeying your preferred [ rule ] preference or you
will ignore them do not go together also, they are control freaks ! -
still there's always redemption Wes

/=)

BoroLad

N.B.

Yes I'm still sucking hind teat.:-) , not that I have a clue what that
means, maybe now it's a good time to ask - anyone want to help my
understanding ?

Damn, I was going to ignore this but here goes again. Chip, learn
something new here right now, just because you say something, 1million
websites say something, the President of the United States says
something, does not make it a fact. So, unless I see aprox 40,000
newsgroups all bowing to your crusade, then Don Quixote, you are
fighting windmills while the rest of us are enjoying this great font
of info as it is meant to be used. Free of damn rules and rule makers
or otherwise know as Net Nazis. You are one of the kind that is
starting to infest the net, You offer no help to anyone, but you try
to lay down rules to everyone ,that you can point to oodles of website
to backup your view of the net. Never realising the websites were done
by other people like yourself, offering no real help but only their
personal opinion, which they see as being their gift to lesser lights.
Well guess what? We are not interested in your opinion, we will post
were and when we like, but hopefully in so help another user to fix a
problem he might have.
Another noble enlightment for you here, on the net a arguement is not
won simply by replying until everyone else gives up in disgust, it is
won in the eating of the pudding, so I'll not answer you again here.
But when you have finished your great crusade, if successful in
banning top posting, I will claim your fame all over the net. But if
I'm right I will say no more than this, "Welcome to the real net,
Chip", where help is only a posted question away.

Conerning top posting, and this will be my last contribution to this
thread.

http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cs/Ser...rfc/index.html

Internet Requests for Comments (RFC)

The Internet Request For Comments (or RFC) documents are the written
definitions of the protocols and policies of the Internet. This page
provides entry points to get at the RFCs.

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

This is a rather large document, look for this in it.

- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!

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Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

" Lurk re-lurking ,mumbling" <> wrote in message

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>I'll not answer you again here.

Thank God for that.

"Chip" <> wrote in message
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>>I'll not answer you again here.
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> Thank God for that.


Why Chip, I DO believe you're conceding defeat !


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"Von Gibbling" <> wrote in message
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> "Chip" <> wrote in message
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> >>I'll not answer you again here.
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> > Thank God for that.
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> Why Chip, I DO believe you're conceding defeat !
>

Eh? Based on the eloquent argument from you two? Dream on.