Re: Somebody ID this board please

Li'l ol' me wrote :
> I have a socket 462 I can't ID. Don't reckon it'll take an XP, so cant even
> tell if working as I don't have an athlon/duron.
>
> It looks very much like a K7SEM (or at least the picture I found on the ECS
> site), but I can find no mention of a rev 7.0.
>
> All I know is:
>
> It's a microATX
> It has built in audio (CMI9738)
> Possibly built in video (no idea what)
> Only 2 PCI slots
> *NO* ISA
> One riser slot.
> AMI BIOS chip (marked AX33 but AOPEN AX33 is a socket370)
> 2 X SDR slots
> 2 X USB (don't they all?)
> 1 X LAN
>
> Other distinguishing features:
> Orange/Brown board with sort of orangey unmarked heatsink right in the
> middle
> 1st of 2 IDE sockets is red.
> ATX connector in top right.
> KTS manufactured CMOS battery
>
> Sorry if this is not even an ECS!
>
> TIA

Could it be this one? <http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-M810clmr.html>
I've got a horrible yellow coloured M810L unused upstairs somewhere, and
it exactly matches the description you gave. Unsure what version it is
although I *think* it may be a V7.0.
It has a 133/133 setting in the BIOS so it should take an Athlon. Got an
old Duron 1.1 in mine though.

Pip wrote :

> Li'l ol' me wrote :
>
>> I have a socket 462 I can't ID. Don't reckon it'll take an XP, so
>> cant even
>> tell if working as I don't have an athlon/duron.
>>
>> It looks very much like a K7SEM (or at least the picture I found on
>> the ECS
>> site), but I can find no mention of a rev 7.0.
>>
>> All I know is:
>>
>> It's a microATX
>> It has built in audio (CMI9738)
>> Possibly built in video (no idea what)
>> Only 2 PCI slots
>> *NO* ISA
>> One riser slot.
>> AMI BIOS chip (marked AX33 but AOPEN AX33 is a socket370)
>> 2 X SDR slots
>> 2 X USB (don't they all?)
>> 1 X LAN
>>
>> Other distinguishing features:
>> Orange/Brown board with sort of orangey unmarked heatsink right in the
>> middle
>> 1st of 2 IDE sockets is red.
>> ATX connector in top right.
>> KTS manufactured CMOS battery
>>
>> Sorry if this is not even an ECS!
>>
>> TIA
>
>
> Could it be this one? <http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-M810clmr.html>
> I've got a horrible yellow coloured M810L unused upstairs somewhere, and
> it exactly matches the description you gave. Unsure what version it is
> although I *think* it may be a V7.0.
> It has a 133/133 setting in the BIOS so it should take an Athlon. Got an
> old Duron 1.1 in mine though.

Sorry, I gave the link of the on-board Duron version. Try this:
http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-m810lmr-xp.html

"Li'l ol' me" <richie42@***SPAMOFF**eidosnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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| "Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
| news:SBoJa.1972$...
| > Pip wrote :
| >
| > > Li'l ol' me wrote :
| > >
| > >> I have a socket 462 I can't ID. Don't reckon it'll take an XP,
so
| > >> cant even
| > >> tell if working as I don't have an athlon/duron.
| > >>
| > >> It looks very much like a K7SEM (or at least the picture I
found on
| > >> the ECS
| > >> site), but I can find no mention of a rev 7.0.
| > >>
| > >> All I know is:
| > >>
| > >> It's a microATX
| > >> It has built in audio (CMI9738)
| > >> Possibly built in video (no idea what)
| > >> Only 2 PCI slots
| > >> *NO* ISA
| > >> One riser slot.
| > >> AMI BIOS chip (marked AX33 but AOPEN AX33 is a socket370)
| > >> 2 X SDR slots
| > >> 2 X USB (don't they all?)
| > >> 1 X LAN
| > >>
| > >> Other distinguishing features:
| > >> Orange/Brown board with sort of orangey unmarked heatsink right
in the
| > >> middle
| > >> 1st of 2 IDE sockets is red.
| > >> ATX connector in top right.
| > >> KTS manufactured CMOS battery
| > >>
| > >> Sorry if this is not even an ECS!
| > >>
| > >> TIA
| > >
| > >
| > > Could it be this one?
<http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-M810clmr.html>
| > > I've got a horrible yellow coloured M810L unused upstairs
somewhere, and
| > > it exactly matches the description you gave. Unsure what version
it is
| > > although I *think* it may be a V7.0.
| > > It has a 133/133 setting in the BIOS so it should take an
Athlon. Got an
| > > old Duron 1.1 in mine though.
| >
| > Sorry, I gave the link of the on-board Duron version. Try this:
| > http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-m810lmr-xp.html
|
| Thanks, that's the one! I did come across a link just after I
posted
| talking about rebadged K7SEMs, but I was so excited by the mention
of Athlon
| XP support (never looked likely to me) that I immediately logged off
and
| went to set it up with a known-working XP1500.
|
| Unfortunately, I couldn't get the board to work. The board starts
up as
| soon as I turn on at the mains, and as there is no response from the
front
| panel buttons (and no LEDS are lit) it is either a faulty board (I
did buy
| it in a batch of untested) or it's my wiring up (that front panel
stuff is
| always the hardest bit for me). The only way to turn it off is at
the mains
| (no button on the PSU) which is always a crossed fingers job.
|
| Not surpsrisingly, I don't have a manual to hand to double check
I've IDd
| the right CMOS jumper etc. I don't know if this board covers ECS
clones,
| but I may be posting back here for help soon!
|
| BTW they may not be lookers, but this one
|
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...n=c2hvd19wcm9k
dWN0X2
| 92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=27187 marked rev7.x isn't bad is it? More
| importantly, it's on sale for £35, so I'm trying pretty hard to get
mine
| working.

You will need to flash the latest BIOS to use an XP CPU in the board,
I believe. My bud has one, they are solid, but not real fast boards.
The onbard graphics is barely decent for gamin, it uses system memory
for video memory, as is typical of the all in one boards from pcchips.

--
Best regards,
Kyle
tired of spam, no email address

"Kyle Brant" <> wrote in message
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> "Li'l ol' me" <richie42@***SPAMOFF**eidosnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bd5ch6$h7v$...
> | "Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> | news:SBoJa.1972$...
> | > Pip wrote :
> | >
> | > > Li'l ol' me wrote :
> | > >
> | > >> I have a socket 462 I can't ID. Don't reckon it'll take an XP,
> so
> | > >> cant even
> | > >> tell if working as I don't have an athlon/duron.
> | > >>
> | > >> It looks very much like a K7SEM (or at least the picture I
> found on
> | > >> the ECS
> | > >> site), but I can find no mention of a rev 7.0.
> | > >>
> | > >> All I know is:
> | > >>
> | > >> It's a microATX
> | > >> It has built in audio (CMI9738)
> | > >> Possibly built in video (no idea what)
> | > >> Only 2 PCI slots
> | > >> *NO* ISA
> | > >> One riser slot.
> | > >> AMI BIOS chip (marked AX33 but AOPEN AX33 is a socket370)
> | > >> 2 X SDR slots
> | > >> 2 X USB (don't they all?)
> | > >> 1 X LAN
> | > >>
> | > >> Other distinguishing features:
> | > >> Orange/Brown board with sort of orangey unmarked heatsink right
> in the
> | > >> middle
> | > >> 1st of 2 IDE sockets is red.
> | > >> ATX connector in top right.
> | > >> KTS manufactured CMOS battery
> | > >>
> | > >> Sorry if this is not even an ECS!
> | > >>
> | > >> TIA
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > Could it be this one?
> <http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-M810clmr.html>
> | > > I've got a horrible yellow coloured M810L unused upstairs
> somewhere, and
> | > > it exactly matches the description you gave. Unsure what version
> it is
> | > > although I *think* it may be a V7.0.
> | > > It has a 133/133 setting in the BIOS so it should take an
> Athlon. Got an
> | > > old Duron 1.1 in mine though.
> | >
> | > Sorry, I gave the link of the on-board Duron version. Try this:
> | > http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-m810lmr-xp.html
> |
> | Thanks, that's the one! I did come across a link just after I
> posted
> | talking about rebadged K7SEMs, but I was so excited by the mention
> of Athlon
> | XP support (never looked likely to me) that I immediately logged off
> and
> | went to set it up with a known-working XP1500.
> |
> | Unfortunately, I couldn't get the board to work. The board starts
> up as
> | soon as I turn on at the mains, and as there is no response from the
> front
> | panel buttons (and no LEDS are lit) it is either a faulty board (I
> did buy
> | it in a batch of untested) or it's my wiring up (that front panel
> stuff is
> | always the hardest bit for me). The only way to turn it off is at
> the mains
> | (no button on the PSU) which is always a crossed fingers job.
> |
> | Not surpsrisingly, I don't have a manual to hand to double check
> I've IDd
> | the right CMOS jumper etc. I don't know if this board covers ECS
> clones,
> | but I may be posting back here for help soon!
> |
> | BTW they may not be lookers, but this one
> |
> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...n=c2hvd19wcm9k
> dWN0X2
> | 92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=27187 marked rev7.x isn't bad is it? More
> | importantly, it's on sale for £35, so I'm trying pretty hard to get
> mine
> | working.
>
> You will need to flash the latest BIOS to use an XP CPU in the board,
> I believe. My bud has one, they are solid, but not real fast boards.
> The onbard graphics is barely decent for gamin, it uses system memory
> for video memory, as is typical of the all in one boards from pcchips.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Kyle
> tired of spam, no email address

Like I said, I can't even post to begin with, so I can't flash! I'm pretty
sure at least one place says that 7.0 boards and above take at least
XP1500/1600s out of the box.

Still doesn't explain why the board powers up by itself and wont respond to
anything but shutting off at the mains.

Li'l ol' me wrote :
> "Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:SBoJa.1972$...
>
>>Pip wrote :
>>
>>
>>>Li'l ol' me wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a socket 462 I can't ID. Don't reckon it'll take an XP, so
>>>>cant even
>>>>tell if working as I don't have an athlon/duron.
>>>>
>>>>It looks very much like a K7SEM (or at least the picture I found on
>>>>the ECS
>>>>site), but I can find no mention of a rev 7.0.
>>>>
>>>>All I know is:
>>>>
>>>>It's a microATX
>>>>It has built in audio (CMI9738)
>>>>Possibly built in video (no idea what)
>>>>Only 2 PCI slots
>>>>*NO* ISA
>>>>One riser slot.
>>>>AMI BIOS chip (marked AX33 but AOPEN AX33 is a socket370)
>>>>2 X SDR slots
>>>>2 X USB (don't they all?)
>>>>1 X LAN
>>>>
>>>>Other distinguishing features:
>>>>Orange/Brown board with sort of orangey unmarked heatsink right in the
>>>>middle
>>>>1st of 2 IDE sockets is red.
>>>>ATX connector in top right.
>>>>KTS manufactured CMOS battery
>>>>
>>>>Sorry if this is not even an ECS!
>>>>
>>>>TIA
>>>
>>>
>>>Could it be this one? <http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-M810clmr.html>
>>>I've got a horrible yellow coloured M810L unused upstairs somewhere, and
>>>it exactly matches the description you gave. Unsure what version it is
>>>although I *think* it may be a V7.0.
>>>It has a 133/133 setting in the BIOS so it should take an Athlon. Got an
>>>old Duron 1.1 in mine though.
>>
>>Sorry, I gave the link of the on-board Duron version. Try this:
>>http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-m810lmr-xp.html
>
>
> Thanks, that's the one! I did come across a link just after I posted
> talking about rebadged K7SEMs, but I was so excited by the mention of Athlon
> XP support (never looked likely to me) that I immediately logged off and
> went to set it up with a known-working XP1500.
>
> Unfortunately, I couldn't get the board to work. The board starts up as
> soon as I turn on at the mains, and as there is no response from the front
> panel buttons (and no LEDS are lit) it is either a faulty board (I did buy
> it in a batch of untested) or it's my wiring up (that front panel stuff is
> always the hardest bit for me). The only way to turn it off is at the mains
> (no button on the PSU) which is always a crossed fingers job.
>
> Not surpsrisingly, I don't have a manual to hand to double check I've IDd
> the right CMOS jumper etc. I don't know if this board covers ECS clones,
> but I may be posting back here for help soon!
>
> BTW they may not be lookers, but this one
> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...d19wcm9kdWN0X2
> 92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=27187 marked rev7.x isn't bad is it? More
> importantly, it's on sale for £35, so I'm trying pretty hard to get mine
> working.

Well you can get the manual at
ftp://ftp.pcchips.com.tw/manual/m810/810s50.zip, if you need it. Page 17
gives front panel connections, and JP4 (jumper on the other side of the
CMOS battery to the RAM slots) is CMOS clear jumper. Pins 1 & 2 are CMOS
clear, so make sure the jumper's over pins 2 & 3 otherwise that could
contribute to an un-bootable board.

If the board's still not booting properly, check that the screws holding
the motherboard to the case stand-offs aren't shorting on any of the
motherboard's tracks (assuming the stand-offs are the metal kind, since
almost all are). Tracks being shorted in this way can cause all kinds of
odd behaviour.

Failing that, is the speaker connected to the correct header? If so and
there are no beeps, never mind. If it's on JP6 (another 4-pin header on
the other side to the front panel block), then connect it to SPK and
listen for "beep codes" which may give an indication of the error.
I'm not meaning to sound like I'm treating you like an idiot, but I have
done similarly stupid things in the past and they are so easy to miss!

"Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Li'l ol' me wrote :
> > "Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:SBoJa.1972$...
> >
> >>Pip wrote :
> >>
> >>
> >>>Li'l ol' me wrote :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have a socket 462 I can't ID. Don't reckon it'll take an XP, so
> >>>>cant even
> >>>>tell if working as I don't have an athlon/duron.
> >>>>
> >>>>It looks very much like a K7SEM (or at least the picture I found on
> >>>>the ECS
> >>>>site), but I can find no mention of a rev 7.0.
> >>>>
> >>>>All I know is:
> >>>>
> >>>>It's a microATX
> >>>>It has built in audio (CMI9738)
> >>>>Possibly built in video (no idea what)
> >>>>Only 2 PCI slots
> >>>>*NO* ISA
> >>>>One riser slot.
> >>>>AMI BIOS chip (marked AX33 but AOPEN AX33 is a socket370)
> >>>>2 X SDR slots
> >>>>2 X USB (don't they all?)
> >>>>1 X LAN
> >>>>
> >>>>Other distinguishing features:
> >>>>Orange/Brown board with sort of orangey unmarked heatsink right in the
> >>>>middle
> >>>>1st of 2 IDE sockets is red.
> >>>>ATX connector in top right.
> >>>>KTS manufactured CMOS battery
> >>>>
> >>>>Sorry if this is not even an ECS!
> >>>>
> >>>>TIA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Could it be this one? <http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-M810clmr.html>
> >>>I've got a horrible yellow coloured M810L unused upstairs somewhere,
and
> >>>it exactly matches the description you gave. Unsure what version it is
> >>>although I *think* it may be a V7.0.
> >>>It has a 133/133 setting in the BIOS so it should take an Athlon. Got
an
> >>>old Duron 1.1 in mine though.
> >>
> >>Sorry, I gave the link of the on-board Duron version. Try this:
> >>http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-m810lmr-xp.html
> >
> >
> > Thanks, that's the one! I did come across a link just after I posted
> > talking about rebadged K7SEMs, but I was so excited by the mention of
Athlon
> > XP support (never looked likely to me) that I immediately logged off and
> > went to set it up with a known-working XP1500.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I couldn't get the board to work. The board starts up as
> > soon as I turn on at the mains, and as there is no response from the
front
> > panel buttons (and no LEDS are lit) it is either a faulty board (I did
buy
> > it in a batch of untested) or it's my wiring up (that front panel stuff
is
> > always the hardest bit for me). The only way to turn it off is at the
mains
> > (no button on the PSU) which is always a crossed fingers job.
> >
> > Not surpsrisingly, I don't have a manual to hand to double check I've
IDd
> > the right CMOS jumper etc. I don't know if this board covers ECS
clones,
> > but I may be posting back here for help soon!
> >
> > BTW they may not be lookers, but this one
> >
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...d19wcm9kdWN0X2
> > 92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=27187 marked rev7.x isn't bad is it? More
> > importantly, it's on sale for £35, so I'm trying pretty hard to get mine
> > working.
>
> Well you can get the manual at
> ftp://ftp.pcchips.com.tw/manual/m810/810s50.zip, if you need it. Page 17
> gives front panel connections, and JP4 (jumper on the other side of the
> CMOS battery to the RAM slots) is CMOS clear jumper. Pins 1 & 2 are CMOS
> clear, so make sure the jumper's over pins 2 & 3 otherwise that could
> contribute to an un-bootable board.
>
> If the board's still not booting properly, check that the screws holding
> the motherboard to the case stand-offs aren't shorting on any of the
> motherboard's tracks (assuming the stand-offs are the metal kind, since
> almost all are). Tracks being shorted in this way can cause all kinds of
> odd behaviour.

I have the board outside of the case already- I do this nowadays whenever
I'm testing a board as something like you described DID happen once.

> Failing that, is the speaker connected to the correct header? If so and
> there are no beeps, never mind. If it's on JP6 (another 4-pin header on
> the other side to the front panel block), then connect it to SPK and
> listen for "beep codes" which may give an indication of the error.
> I'm not meaning to sound like I'm treating you like an idiot, but I have
> done similarly stupid things in the past and they are so easy to miss!

The speaker cable IS connected to SPK, but there are no beep codes. Nothing
happens bar all the fans spinning up.

And you're probably right if your idiot warning is going off as the biggest
problem I usually have with boards is not only working out which pins are
the grounds, but learning what the hell 'ground' means! I'm great with bits
and bytes but anything electrical goes right over my head (which is a good
thing when you think about it literally!).

"Li'l ol' me" <richie42@***SPAMOFF**eidosnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:BvIJa.2726$...
> > Li'l ol' me wrote :
> > > "Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:SBoJa.1972$...
> > >
> > >>Pip wrote :
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Li'l ol' me wrote :
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>I have a socket 462 I can't ID. Don't reckon it'll take an XP, so
> > >>>>cant even
> > >>>>tell if working as I don't have an athlon/duron.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>It looks very much like a K7SEM (or at least the picture I found on
> > >>>>the ECS
> > >>>>site), but I can find no mention of a rev 7.0.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>All I know is:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>It's a microATX
> > >>>>It has built in audio (CMI9738)
> > >>>>Possibly built in video (no idea what)
> > >>>>Only 2 PCI slots
> > >>>>*NO* ISA
> > >>>>One riser slot.
> > >>>>AMI BIOS chip (marked AX33 but AOPEN AX33 is a socket370)
> > >>>>2 X SDR slots
> > >>>>2 X USB (don't they all?)
> > >>>>1 X LAN
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Other distinguishing features:
> > >>>>Orange/Brown board with sort of orangey unmarked heatsink right in
the
> > >>>>middle
> > >>>>1st of 2 IDE sockets is red.
> > >>>>ATX connector in top right.
> > >>>>KTS manufactured CMOS battery
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Sorry if this is not even an ECS!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>TIA
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Could it be this one? <http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-M810clmr.html>
> > >>>I've got a horrible yellow coloured M810L unused upstairs somewhere,
> and
> > >>>it exactly matches the description you gave. Unsure what version it
is
> > >>>although I *think* it may be a V7.0.
> > >>>It has a 133/133 setting in the BIOS so it should take an Athlon. Got
> an
> > >>>old Duron 1.1 in mine though.
> > >>
> > >>Sorry, I gave the link of the on-board Duron version. Try this:
> > >>http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-m810lmr-xp.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, that's the one! I did come across a link just after I posted
> > > talking about rebadged K7SEMs, but I was so excited by the mention of
> Athlon
> > > XP support (never looked likely to me) that I immediately logged off
and
> > > went to set it up with a known-working XP1500.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, I couldn't get the board to work. The board starts up
as
> > > soon as I turn on at the mains, and as there is no response from the
> front
> > > panel buttons (and no LEDS are lit) it is either a faulty board (I did
> buy
> > > it in a batch of untested) or it's my wiring up (that front panel
stuff
> is
> > > always the hardest bit for me). The only way to turn it off is at the
> mains
> > > (no button on the PSU) which is always a crossed fingers job.
> > >
> > > Not surpsrisingly, I don't have a manual to hand to double check I've
> IDd
> > > the right CMOS jumper etc. I don't know if this board covers ECS
> clones,
> > > but I may be posting back here for help soon!
> > >
> > > BTW they may not be lookers, but this one
> > >
>
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...d19wcm9kdWN0X2
> > > 92ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=27187 marked rev7.x isn't bad is it? More
> > > importantly, it's on sale for £35, so I'm trying pretty hard to get
mine
> > > working.
> >
> > Well you can get the manual at
> > ftp://ftp.pcchips.com.tw/manual/m810/810s50.zip, if you need it. Page 17
> > gives front panel connections, and JP4 (jumper on the other side of the
> > CMOS battery to the RAM slots) is CMOS clear jumper. Pins 1 & 2 are CMOS
> > clear, so make sure the jumper's over pins 2 & 3 otherwise that could
> > contribute to an un-bootable board.
> >
> > If the board's still not booting properly, check that the screws holding
> > the motherboard to the case stand-offs aren't shorting on any of the
> > motherboard's tracks (assuming the stand-offs are the metal kind, since
> > almost all are). Tracks being shorted in this way can cause all kinds of
> > odd behaviour.
>
> I have the board outside of the case already- I do this nowadays whenever
> I'm testing a board as something like you described DID happen once.
>
> > Failing that, is the speaker connected to the correct header? If so and
> > there are no beeps, never mind. If it's on JP6 (another 4-pin header on
> > the other side to the front panel block), then connect it to SPK and
> > listen for "beep codes" which may give an indication of the error.
> > I'm not meaning to sound like I'm treating you like an idiot, but I have
> > done similarly stupid things in the past and they are so easy to miss!
>
> The speaker cable IS connected to SPK, but there are no beep codes.
Nothing
> happens bar all the fans spinning up.
>
> And you're probably right if your idiot warning is going off as the
biggest
> problem I usually have with boards is not only working out which pins are
> the grounds, but learning what the hell 'ground' means! I'm great with
bits
> and bytes but anything electrical goes right over my head (which is a good
> thing when you think about it literally!).
>
Forgot to say I already have the manual, but I'd worked out the cables
already apart from orientation. The board behaves the same (ie starts by
itself) whichever orientation I plug the cables into the front panel
connectors.