Adapting Toshiba 10 GB HD to desktop

I have a Toshiba 10 gb hard drive I'd like to
hook up temporarily to a desktop computer.

I bought an adapter that is supposed to do
the job, and hooked it up to the secondary
IDE port (as master, since there doesn't seem to
be a jumper on the drive to set it to slave).

However, the desktop, a Gateway 366 MHZ tower, doesn't
recognize that that the drive exists. This is true
whether or not I have another drive (CD-ROM) on the
cable, or whether I connect the HD to the first
connector on the cable or the second.

I brought the adapater back to the store, assuming
the adapter was bad. But the tech said that some
laptop drives just do not work with such adapters.

Rather than buy another adapter and possibly go
through the same hassle again, I just got a refund.

Can anyone shed any light on the compatibility of
Toshiba drives with such IDE adapters?

Thanks,

Roy L.

I've used many Toshiba 2.5" hard drives in desktop systems using those
cheap-o adaptors.

The most common mistake is reversing the connection since the things aren't
usually marked and the pin that is missing on most 3.5" IDE drives IS intact
on those adaptors.

Is the Toshiba drive actually getting power and spinning up? If you have
the adaptor reversed, the drive won't get any power.

Once, and only once (I've been so careful since then!) I connected the
adaptor with it shifted to the left by mistake and I ended up frying a
perfectly good drive because the damned adaptor wasn't keyed to fit only one
way and I ended up applying power to the data pins. You don't want to do
that!

-Steve


"Roy Lipscomb" <> wrote in message
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> I have a Toshiba 10 gb hard drive I'd like to
> hook up temporarily to a desktop computer.
>
> I bought an adapter that is supposed to do
> the job, and hooked it up to the secondary
> IDE port (as master, since there doesn't seem to
> be a jumper on the drive to set it to slave).
>
> However, the desktop, a Gateway 366 MHZ tower, doesn't
> recognize that that the drive exists. This is true
> whether or not I have another drive (CD-ROM) on the
> cable, or whether I connect the HD to the first
> connector on the cable or the second.
>
> I brought the adapater back to the store, assuming
> the adapter was bad. But the tech said that some
> laptop drives just do not work with such adapters.
>
> Rather than buy another adapter and possibly go
> through the same hassle again, I just got a refund.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on the compatibility of
> Toshiba drives with such IDE adapters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roy L.


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"Roy Lipscomb" <> wrote in message
news:bdancg$n21$...
> I have a Toshiba 10 gb hard drive I'd like to
> hook up temporarily to a desktop computer.
>
> I bought an adapter that is supposed to do
> the job, and hooked it up to the secondary
> IDE port (as master, since there doesn't seem to
> be a jumper on the drive to set it to slave).
>
> However, the desktop, a Gateway 366 MHZ tower, doesn't
> recognize that that the drive exists. This is true
> whether or not I have another drive (CD-ROM) on the
> cable, or whether I connect the HD to the first
> connector on the cable or the second.
>
> I brought the adapater back to the store, assuming
> the adapter was bad. But the tech said that some
> laptop drives just do not work with such adapters.
>
> Rather than buy another adapter and possibly go
> through the same hassle again, I just got a refund.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on the compatibility of
> Toshiba drives with such IDE adapters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roy L.

You did go into the BIOS first,and let it search for the drive ?

ejb

You most likely had the adapter installed incorrectly. I've never seen
a laptop drive that would not work with such an adapter if properly
used. Also, all laptop drives do have master-slave jumpers.


Roy Lipscomb wrote:
> I have a Toshiba 10 gb hard drive I'd like to
> hook up temporarily to a desktop computer.
>
> I bought an adapter that is supposed to do
> the job, and hooked it up to the secondary
> IDE port (as master, since there doesn't seem to
> be a jumper on the drive to set it to slave).
>
> However, the desktop, a Gateway 366 MHZ tower, doesn't
> recognize that that the drive exists. This is true
> whether or not I have another drive (CD-ROM) on the
> cable, or whether I connect the HD to the first
> connector on the cable or the second.
>
> I brought the adapater back to the store, assuming
> the adapter was bad. But the tech said that some
> laptop drives just do not work with such adapters.
>
> Rather than buy another adapter and possibly go
> through the same hassle again, I just got a refund.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on the compatibility of
> Toshiba drives with such IDE adapters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roy L.

Steve Reinis <> wrote:
: I've used many Toshiba 2.5" hard drives in desktop systems using those
: cheap-o adaptors.

: The most common mistake is reversing the connection since the things aren't
: usually marked and the pin that is missing on most 3.5" IDE drives IS intact
: on those adaptors.

Pin 1 is marked on the drive I have.

: Is the Toshiba drive actually getting power and spinning up? If you have
: the adaptor reversed, the drive won't get any power.

I carefully checked and double-checked and triple-checked that
pin 1 lined up on the HD, the adapter, and the IDE cable.

I think the drive did spin up, though my memory of this is hazy.

: Once, and only once (I've been so careful since then!) I connected the
: adaptor with it shifted to the left by mistake and I ended up frying a
: perfectly good drive because the damned adaptor wasn't keyed to fit only one
: way and I ended up applying power to the data pins. You don't want to do
: that!

Yeah, that's exactly what I was afraid of doing! I'm happy to
report the drive still works.

: -Steve


: "Roy Lipscomb" <> wrote in message
: news:bdancg$n21$...
:> I have a Toshiba 10 gb hard drive I'd like to
:> hook up temporarily to a desktop computer.
:>
:> I bought an adapter that is supposed to do
:> the job, and hooked it up to the secondary
:> IDE port (as master, since there doesn't seem to
:> be a jumper on the drive to set it to slave).
:>
:> However, the desktop, a Gateway 366 MHZ tower, doesn't
:> recognize that that the drive exists. This is true
:> whether or not I have another drive (CD-ROM) on the
:> cable, or whether I connect the HD to the first
:> connector on the cable or the second.
:>
:> I brought the adapater back to the store, assuming
:> the adapter was bad. But the tech said that some
:> laptop drives just do not work with such adapters.
:>
:> Rather than buy another adapter and possibly go
:> through the same hassle again, I just got a refund.
:>
:> Can anyone shed any light on the compatibility of
:> Toshiba drives with such IDE adapters?
:>
:> Thanks,
:>
:> Roy L.


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Barry Watzman <> wrote:
: You most likely had the adapter installed incorrectly. I've never seen
: a laptop drive that would not work with such an adapter if properly
: used. Also, all laptop drives do have master-slave jumpers.

Whereabouts are those jumpers? I don't see anything that looks
like a candidate. The drive is marked as Toshiba MK1016GAP HDD1251.

Roy

On a notebook drive, there are a total of 48 pins, typically. There is
a group of 44 pins (two rows of 22 pins), and then 4 more pins separated
from the other 44 by a gap. Normally, one pin of the group of 44 pins
is missing. This is pin 20, and it's a "key".

Hold the drive so that you are looking at the back of the drive (the
connector), with the missing pin 20 "key" pin is towards the bottom.
The leftmost column of pins is pins 43 and 44, the rightmost column of
the 44 pins is pins 1 and 2. Odd pins on the top, even pins on the
bottom. Pins 1-40 are the standard IDE pins, same as a desktop drive.
The leftmost 4 pins of the 44 pins, pins 41-44, are power.

To the right of the group of 44 pins, and separated by a gap, are 4
additional pins. These are the master-slave-CS pins. However, their
use is totally non-standard, in fact different drives made by the same
manufacturer may use these pins differently. The most common
configuration is "master" with none of these connected, but even that is
not universal, some drives are "slave" with no pins connected and
require a jumper for "master".


Roy Lipscomb wrote:
> Barry Watzman <> wrote:
> : You most likely had the adapter installed incorrectly. I've never seen
> : a laptop drive that would not work with such an adapter if properly
> : used. Also, all laptop drives do have master-slave jumpers.
>
> Whereabouts are those jumpers? I don't see anything that looks
> like a candidate. The drive is marked as Toshiba MK1016GAP HDD1251.
>
> Roy
>

Roy Lipscomb wrote:
>
> Steve Reinis <> wrote:
> : I've used many Toshiba 2.5" hard drives in desktop systems using those
> : cheap-o adaptors.
>
> : The most common mistake is reversing the connection since the things aren't
> : usually marked and the pin that is missing on most 3.5" IDE drives IS intact
> : on those adaptors.
>
> Pin 1 is marked on the drive I have.
>
> : Is the Toshiba drive actually getting power and spinning up? If you have
> : the adaptor reversed, the drive won't get any power.
>
> I carefully checked and double-checked and triple-checked that
> pin 1 lined up on the HD, the adapter, and the IDE cable.
>
> I think the drive did spin up, though my memory of this is hazy.
>
> : Once, and only once (I've been so careful since then!) I connected the
> : adaptor with it shifted to the left by mistake and I ended up frying a
> : perfectly good drive because the damned adaptor wasn't keyed to fit only one
> : way and I ended up applying power to the data pins. You don't want to do
> : that!
>
> Yeah, that's exactly what I was afraid of doing! I'm happy to
> report the drive still works.
>
> : -Steve
>
> : "Roy Lipscomb" <> wrote in message
> : news:bdancg$n21$...
> :> I have a Toshiba 10 gb hard drive I'd like to
> :> hook up temporarily to a desktop computer.
> :>
> :> I bought an adapter that is supposed to do
> :> the job, and hooked it up to the secondary
> :> IDE port (as master, since there doesn't seem to
> :> be a jumper on the drive to set it to slave).
> :>
> :> However, the desktop, a Gateway 366 MHZ tower, doesn't
> :> recognize that that the drive exists. This is true
> :> whether or not I have another drive (CD-ROM) on the
> :> cable, or whether I connect the HD to the first
> :> connector on the cable or the second.
> :>
> :> I brought the adapater back to the store, assuming
> :> the adapter was bad. But the tech said that some
> :> laptop drives just do not work with such adapters.
> :>
> :> Rather than buy another adapter and possibly go
> :> through the same hassle again, I just got a refund.
> :>
> :> Can anyone shed any light on the compatibility of
> :> Toshiba drives with such IDE adapters?
> :>
> :> Thanks,
> :>
> :> Roy L.
>
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Adapters are good for ghosting laptop drives.
If you really want a desktop drive, you should trade
it. Can probably trade a 40gid 3.5 for a 10gig 2.5.
In fact, I've bought perfectly good 15 gig 3.5s for less
than the cost of the adapter.
mike
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Barry,

Thanks much for this complete explanation. I had thought
those four extra pins were for data or power.

Regards,

Roy


On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Barry Watzman wrote:

> On a notebook drive, there are a total of 48 pins, typically. There is
> a group of 44 pins (two rows of 22 pins), and then 4 more pins separated
> from the other 44 by a gap. Normally, one pin of the group of 44 pins
> is missing. This is pin 20, and it's a "key".
>
> Hold the drive so that you are looking at the back of the drive (the
> connector), with the missing pin 20 "key" pin is towards the bottom.
> The leftmost column of pins is pins 43 and 44, the rightmost column of
> the 44 pins is pins 1 and 2. Odd pins on the top, even pins on the
> bottom. Pins 1-40 are the standard IDE pins, same as a desktop drive.
> The leftmost 4 pins of the 44 pins, pins 41-44, are power.
>
> To the right of the group of 44 pins, and separated by a gap, are 4
> additional pins. These are the master-slave-CS pins. However, their
> use is totally non-standard, in fact different drives made by the same
> manufacturer may use these pins differently. The most common
> configuration is "master" with none of these connected, but even that is
> not universal, some drives are "slave" with no pins connected and
> require a jumper for "master".
>
>
> Roy Lipscomb wrote:
> > Barry Watzman <> wrote:
> > : You most likely had the adapter installed incorrectly. I've never seen
> > : a laptop drive that would not work with such an adapter if properly
> > : used. Also, all laptop drives do have master-slave jumpers.
> >
> > Whereabouts are those jumpers? I don't see anything that looks
> > like a candidate. The drive is marked as Toshiba MK1016GAP HDD1251.
> >
> > Roy
> >
>
>

I just did this and had to use CABLE SELECT, there are jumpers
to select Master, Slave or CS. Jumper did not come with drive though
had to kludge one up.

Jim






On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:35:58 +0000 (UTC), Roy Lipscomb
<> wrote:

>
>Steve Reinis <> wrote:
>: I've used many Toshiba 2.5" hard drives in desktop systems using those
>: cheap-o adaptors.
>
>: The most common mistake is reversing the connection since the things aren't
>: usually marked and the pin that is missing on most 3.5" IDE drives IS intact
>: on those adaptors.
>
> Pin 1 is marked on the drive I have.
>
>: Is the Toshiba drive actually getting power and spinning up? If you have
>: the adaptor reversed, the drive won't get any power.
>
> I carefully checked and double-checked and triple-checked that
> pin 1 lined up on the HD, the adapter, and the IDE cable.
>
> I think the drive did spin up, though my memory of this is hazy.
>
>: Once, and only once (I've been so careful since then!) I connected the
>: adaptor with it shifted to the left by mistake and I ended up frying a
>: perfectly good drive because the damned adaptor wasn't keyed to fit only one
>: way and I ended up applying power to the data pins. You don't want to do
>: that!
>
> Yeah, that's exactly what I was afraid of doing! I'm happy to
> report the drive still works.
>
>: -Steve
>
>
>: "Roy Lipscomb" <> wrote in message
>: news:bdancg$n21$...
>:> I have a Toshiba 10 gb hard drive I'd like to
>:> hook up temporarily to a desktop computer.
>:>
>:> I bought an adapter that is supposed to do
>:> the job, and hooked it up to the secondary
>:> IDE port (as master, since there doesn't seem to
>:> be a jumper on the drive to set it to slave).
>:>
>:> However, the desktop, a Gateway 366 MHZ tower, doesn't
>:> recognize that that the drive exists. This is true
>:> whether or not I have another drive (CD-ROM) on the
>:> cable, or whether I connect the HD to the first
>:> connector on the cable or the second.
>:>
>:> I brought the adapater back to the store, assuming
>:> the adapter was bad. But the tech said that some
>:> laptop drives just do not work with such adapters.
>:>
>:> Rather than buy another adapter and possibly go
>:> through the same hassle again, I just got a refund.
>:>
>:> Can anyone shed any light on the compatibility of
>:> Toshiba drives with such IDE adapters?
>:>
>:> Thanks,
>:>
>:> Roy L.
>
>
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