Problem Adding PCI NIC

Hi,

I've got a Shuttle XPC SN45G

...this one:

http://us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=279

I'd like to use my old 3Com 10/100 PCI NIC
instead of the integrated one but I can't
seem to get it to work.

I'm running Win98SE and every time I try to
add the card and install the driver Win98
recognizes it and it's lights blink when
I plug in my cable connection but I can't
get a connection to the net. No browsing,
no email, no ping..no nothing.

I've tried to disable the NVIDIA nForce MCP
Networking Controller in the device manager
and have removed associated entries in the
network control panel but nothing works.

Do any of you know what I might be doing
wrong or how to get around this?

Thanks

root#

Try this: http://www.bu.edu/pcsc/internetaccess/winsock2fix.html

Good luck

"rootman" <> wrote in message
news:Xns93B655D323D6Frootman22comcastnet@216.148.2 27.77...
> Hi,
>
> I've got a Shuttle XPC SN45G
>
> ..this one:
>
> http://us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=279
>
> I'd like to use my old 3Com 10/100 PCI NIC
> instead of the integrated one but I can't
> seem to get it to work.
>
> I'm running Win98SE and every time I try to
> add the card and install the driver Win98
> recognizes it and it's lights blink when
> I plug in my cable connection but I can't
> get a connection to the net. No browsing,
> no email, no ping..no nothing.
>
> I've tried to disable the NVIDIA nForce MCP
> Networking Controller in the device manager
> and have removed associated entries in the
> network control panel but nothing works.
>
> Do any of you know what I might be doing
> wrong or how to get around this?
>
> Thanks
>
> root#
>

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:50:10 GMT, Ace <> wrote:

> Try this: http://www.bu.edu/pcsc/internetaccess/winsock2fix.html
>
> Good luck

That was excellent!!! It worked amazingly well!!

That's one utility I'll definitely add to my toolkit!

I guess they don't call you "Ace" for nothing! 8^)

Thanks for your help!

root#


>
> "rootman" <> wrote in message
> news:Xns93B655D323D6Frootman22comcastnet@216.148.2 27.77...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've got a Shuttle XPC SN45G
>>
>> ..this one:
>>
>> http://us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=279
>>
>> I'd like to use my old 3Com 10/100 PCI NIC
>> instead of the integrated one but I can't
>> seem to get it to work.
>>
>> I'm running Win98SE and every time I try to
>> add the card and install the driver Win98
>> recognizes it and it's lights blink when
>> I plug in my cable connection but I can't
>> get a connection to the net. No browsing,
>> no email, no ping..no nothing.
>>
>> I've tried to disable the NVIDIA nForce MCP
>> Networking Controller in the device manager
>> and have removed associated entries in the
>> network control panel but nothing works.
>>
>> Do any of you know what I might be doing
>> wrong or how to get around this?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> root#
>>
>
>
>



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rootman <> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:20:15 GMT, Ace <> wrote:

>> Thanks, for posting your results. Glad it helped.

> No problem, it helped more than you know.

> I like UNIX OS' and before I got my Shuttle
> I was dual booting Win98 & FreeBSD. I got the
> Shuttle because I'm a gamer and go to LAN parties
> from time to time. After I got the Shuttle I tried
> the same setup: dual boot Win98 & FreeBSD on two
> 20G hard drives. FreeBSD 4.8 didn't recognize all
> of the hardware but most importantly the integrated
> NIC so I couldn't upgrade it after getting it installed.
> I was without FreeBSD for over a month until now! I
> bought a WD 40G hard drive and a Samsung CDRW/DVD
> player, downloaded & burned a copy of FreeBSD 5.1,
> formatted the drive, installed Win98 on the first 20G
> partition and fbsd on the second. FreeBSD 5.1 recognized
> ALL the hardware except for the integrated NIC. Nvidia
> already makes the video drivers for FreeBSD but I'll have
> to wait until they come out with the Nforce drivers that
> include support for the integrated NIC. The only reason
> I still keep Win98 around is for the games, I rely on
> FreeBSD for (email, web browsing, etc) the rest.

This might have something to do with the fact that the NIC driver is not
GPL licensed. See the "License" section of the nForce Linux readme:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_4...e-1.0-0248.txt

As I remember, FreeBSD only includes software that come under the GPL or
BSD license.

Since Google was mentioned in this thread, you might try Googling for
variations on "nforce2 bsd nic" and see if that yields any solutions to
getting the onboard NIC working. While you have the PCI NIC in there now,
my philosophy with small form factors is the less add-ons, the better.
It's so crowded in the thing to begin with.

Cichlidiot wrote:

> rootman <> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:20:15 GMT, Ace <> wrote:
>
>>> Thanks, for posting your results. Glad it helped.
>
>> No problem, it helped more than you know.
>
>> I like UNIX OS' and before I got my Shuttle
>> I was dual booting Win98 & FreeBSD. I got the
>> Shuttle because I'm a gamer and go to LAN parties
>> from time to time. After I got the Shuttle I tried
>> the same setup: dual boot Win98 & FreeBSD on two
>> 20G hard drives. FreeBSD 4.8 didn't recognize all
>> of the hardware but most importantly the integrated
>> NIC so I couldn't upgrade it after getting it installed.
>> I was without FreeBSD for over a month until now! I
>> bought a WD 40G hard drive and a Samsung CDRW/DVD
>> player, downloaded & burned a copy of FreeBSD 5.1,
>> formatted the drive, installed Win98 on the first 20G
>> partition and fbsd on the second. FreeBSD 5.1 recognized
>> ALL the hardware except for the integrated NIC. Nvidia
>> already makes the video drivers for FreeBSD but I'll have
>> to wait until they come out with the Nforce drivers that
>> include support for the integrated NIC. The only reason
>> I still keep Win98 around is for the games, I rely on
>> FreeBSD for (email, web browsing, etc) the rest.
>
> This might have something to do with the fact that the NIC driver is not
> GPL licensed. See the "License" section of the nForce Linux readme:
>
>
http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_4...e-1.0-0248.txt
>
> As I remember, FreeBSD only includes software that come under the GPL or
> BSD license.

Right but I don't think it has anything to do with licensing, if that were
the case then the graphics driver wouldn't be available for FreeBSD either.

FreeBSD has always been slower at supporting newer hardware and I think one
of the reasons for that is because they spend a lot of time ensuring that
the hardware they do support is rock solid.

>
> Since Google was mentioned in this thread, you might try Googling for
> variations on "nforce2 bsd nic" and see if that yields any solutions to
> getting the onboard NIC working.

I don't really care about whether or not I get the onboard NIC
working, what I do care about is getting the sound working.

> While you have the PCI NIC in there now,
> my philosophy with small form factors is the less add-ons, the better.
> It's so crowded in the thing to begin with.

You have a point, that's why I wish I could have afforded an external
CDRW instead of the internal one I have now. I got rid of my floppy
drive so the only thing showing on the front is the CDRW and I think
it would look/be so much better with nothing but aluminum showing.

When support is added for the NIC then I'll probably switch to the
onboard NIC but for now I need to work on getting some sound out my
speakers.

Thanks

root#

rootman <> wrote:
> Cichlidiot wrote:

>> This might have something to do with the fact that the NIC driver is not
>> GPL licensed. See the "License" section of the nForce Linux readme:
>>
>>
> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_4...e-1.0-0248.txt
>>
>> As I remember, FreeBSD only includes software that come under the GPL or
>> BSD license.

> Right but I don't think it has anything to do with licensing, if that were
> the case then the graphics driver wouldn't be available for FreeBSD either.

Umm, read the link I provided carefully. The graphics driver is GPL.
FreeBSD will include GPLed software without issue. It is only the NIC
driver that is NOT GPL. Thus, FreeBSD will not include the NIC driver that
NVidia provides, but will include the graphics driver.

> FreeBSD has always been slower at supporting newer hardware and I think one
> of the reasons for that is because they spend a lot of time ensuring that
> the hardware they do support is rock solid.

I suspect that the reason in this case is pure licensing. Read the license
section of the readme above. It could likely be an issue with other
hardware as well. FreeBSD constrains itself somewhat by taking the GPL/BSD
license only philosophical stand. Not all manufacturers are willing to
work within that model which means sometimes FreeBSD has to forego the
manufacturer's driver and wait for someone to develop a GPL/BSD driver.

>>
>> Since Google was mentioned in this thread, you might try Googling for
>> variations on "nforce2 bsd nic" and see if that yields any solutions to
>> getting the onboard NIC working.

> I don't really care about whether or not I get the onboard NIC
> working, what I do care about is getting the sound working.

The sound driver should be GPL according to the above license, but perhaps
since it is bundled with the NIC driver which is non-GPL there is an issue
with porting it to BSD. I think nVidia insists anything that it bundles
together stays bundled together which would in FreeBSD's mind make the
sound driver non-GPLed because it's bundled with the non-GPL NIC driver.
Again, the whole GPL/BSD license vs non GPL/BSD license issue. Since the
graphics driver is provided as a seperate, GPLed package, it is fine for
FreeBSD, but the rest may have issues because of the bundling.