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6800 GT - The Flagship?

Discussion in 'Nvidia' started by Damaeus, Feb 5, 2005.

  1. Damaeus

    Damaeus Guest

    Okay, we have a 6800GT card from nVidia. Is that going to be the flagship
    or are they planning a 6950GT Ultra? I want to pull my GeForce FX5600XT
    out and use it to spackle my walls.

    I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon XP
    3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
    on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
    anything better going on there.


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    Damaeus, Feb 5, 2005
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  2. Damaeus

    Damaeus Guest

    In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Damaeus
    <> posted on Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:36:10 -0600:

    > I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon XP
    > 3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
    > on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
    > anything better going on there.


    Hell, there's no noticeable difference even after nearly doubling my CPU
    speed. This 5600XT must really be a piece of shit graphics card. :-(

    Damaeus
     
    Damaeus, Feb 5, 2005
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  3. Damaeus

    DaveL Guest

    XT for ATI chips means good. XT for Nvidia chips means sucky. Kind of sad
    how that worked out. There's a lot of things about the FX line that sucked.

    DaveL


    "Damaeus" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Damaeus
    > <> posted on Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:36:10 -0600:
    >
    >> I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon
    >> XP
    >> 3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
    >> on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
    >> anything better going on there.

    >
    > Hell, there's no noticeable difference even after nearly doubling my CPU
    > speed. This 5600XT must really be a piece of shit graphics card. :-(
    >
    > Damaeus
     
    DaveL, Feb 5, 2005
    #3
  4. Damaeus

    b Guest

    Damaeus wrote:
    > Okay, we have a 6800GT card from nVidia. Is that going to be the flagship
    > or are they planning a 6950GT Ultra? I want to pull my GeForce FX5600XT
    > out and use it to spackle my walls.
    >
    > I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon XP
    > 3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
    > on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
    > anything better going on there.
    >
    >
    > --
    > ===========================================================================
    >
    >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>Homebuilt PC - Antec SX1030B Case | OS - Microsoft Windows XP Home SP-1
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    >>768 MB PC3200 DDR400 SD-RAM | HTML - Macromedia Studio MX 2004
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    >>Chaintech GeForce FX 5600XT | Media - RealOne 2.0 build 6.0.11.853

    >
    > Driver: 61.77 nVidia Reference | Media - Windows MP 8.00.00.4487
    >
    >> 128MB Video DDR SDRAM / AGP | Visual Basic 6.0 Learning Edition
    >> Display 1600 x 1200 @ 75Hz | WordProc - MS Office 97
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    >>Mouse - Logitech Optical Mouseman | ImgEdit - Paint Shop Pro 8.01
    >>Microsoft Keyboard (Contoured) |
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    >>Video Capt - Hauppauge WinTV 404 | Add 500 GB of SATA HD Capacity
    >>Scann - Visioneer OneTouch 9120USB | Replace Beige contoured keyboard
    >>UPS - Belkin F6C100-UNV 1000VA 75m | with a black contoured one.
    >>CD-RW - Aopen 52/32/52 | nVidia 6800GT video card
    >>CD-RW/DVD - Toshiba SD-R1002 |
    >>Gravis XTerminator Digital Gamepad |
    >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

    >
    > ===========================================================================


    Your current graphic card is the limiting factor. I do not know what
    type of budget you can afford but the first upgrade should be the
    graphics card. Your next upgrade should be a motherboard and new
    processor. Your chaintech graphics card is maxed out on the frame rates
    so I don't think you can get anymore out of it.

    I really like the EVGA 6800GT and have been using it now for sometime.
    What a great graphics card!

    regards

    B
     
    b, Feb 5, 2005
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  5. Damaeus

    Tom Dauphin Guest

    Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA card
    is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with not
    so much as a hiccup!!!
    "b" <> wrote in message
    news:cu3bcv$qui$...
    > Damaeus wrote:
    >> Okay, we have a 6800GT card from nVidia. Is that going to be the
    >> flagship
    >> or are they planning a 6950GT Ultra? I want to pull my GeForce FX5600XT
    >> out and use it to spackle my walls.
    >>
    >> I just pulled out a 1.3 GHz Athlon T-Bird and replaced it with an Athlon
    >> XP
    >> 3200+ at 2.2GHz and there's really no significant performance improvement
    >> on Final Fantasy XI. I'm about to test Deus Ex II to see if there's
    >> anything better going on there.
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> ===========================================================================
    >>
    >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>>Homebuilt PC - Antec SX1030B Case | OS - Microsoft Windows XP Home SP-1
    >>>Motherboard - Abit NF7 2.0 | Browser - Firefox 1.0
    >>>PSU - 500 watts | Browser (Backup) - IE 6.0 SP-1
    >>>768 MB PC3200 DDR400 SD-RAM | HTML - Macromedia Studio MX 2004
    >>> 512 MB Infineon DDR400 | Dreamweaver MX 2004
    >>> 256 MB Unknown DDR400 | Fireworks MX 2004
    >>>AMD Athlon XP 3200+ w/400MHz FSB | Flash MX 2004
    >>> Never Overclocked | Homesite + 5.5
    >>> AMD Heatsink & Fan | Freehand MXa 11.0.2
    >>> | ColdFusion MX
    >>>Hard Drives | Mail/News - Forte Agent 2.0/32.640
    >>> Master - WD800JBRTL 80GB ATA100 | Instant Msg - Trillian Pro 2.013
    >>> Slave - Maxtor 30GB ATA-66 | Media - WinAmp 5.01
    >>>Chaintech GeForce FX 5600XT | Media - RealOne 2.0 build 6.0.11.853

    >>
    >> Driver: 61.77 nVidia Reference | Media - Windows MP 8.00.00.4487
    >>
    >>> 128MB Video DDR SDRAM / AGP | Visual Basic 6.0 Learning Edition
    >>> Display 1600 x 1200 @ 75Hz | WordProc - MS Office 97
    >>>Modem - DSI DI3635 v.90 Voice/Fax | Financial - MS Money 2003
    >>>Mouse - Logitech Optical Mouseman | ImgEdit - Paint Shop Pro 8.01
    >>>Microsoft Keyboard (Contoured) |
    >>>Monitor - NEC FP2141SB 22" Multisy |=====================================
    >>>SBLive Platinum 5.1 - LiveDrive II | F U T U R E U P G R A D E S
    >>>Speakers - Altec Lansing 5.1 |-------------------------------------
    >>>MIDI Key - M-Audio Keystation 61es | Abit NF8 w/ AMD Athlon 64 3200
    >>>Printer - Xerox Workcentre XE80 | Add 1GB of DDR400
    >>>Video Capt - Hauppauge WinTV 404 | Add 500 GB of SATA HD Capacity
    >>>Scann - Visioneer OneTouch 9120USB | Replace Beige contoured keyboard
    >>>UPS - Belkin F6C100-UNV 1000VA 75m | with a black contoured one.
    >>>CD-RW - Aopen 52/32/52 | nVidia 6800GT video card
    >>>CD-RW/DVD - Toshiba SD-R1002 |
    >>>Gravis XTerminator Digital Gamepad |
    >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

    >>
    >> ===========================================================================

    >
    > Your current graphic card is the limiting factor. I do not know what type
    > of budget you can afford but the first upgrade should be the graphics
    > card. Your next upgrade should be a motherboard and new processor. Your
    > chaintech graphics card is maxed out on the frame rates so I don't think
    > you can get anymore out of it.
    >
    > I really like the EVGA 6800GT and have been using it now for sometime.
    > What a great graphics card!
    >
    > regards
    >
    > B
     
    Tom Dauphin, Feb 6, 2005
    #5
  6. Damaeus

    Damaeus Guest

    In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
    <> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:

    > Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA card
    > is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with not
    > so much as a hiccup!!!


    $388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
    true 6800 Ultra is only $464. :)


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    ===========================================================================
    > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    > Motherboard - Abit NF7 2.0 | Browser - Firefox 1.0
    > PSU - 500 watts | Browser (Backup) - IE 6.0 SP-1
    > 768 MB PC3200 DDR400 SD-RAM | HTML - Macromedia Studio MX 2004
    > 512 MB Infineon DDR400 | Dreamweaver MX 2004
    > | Fireworks MX 2004
    > AMD Athlon XP 3200+ w/400MHz FSB | Flash MX 2004
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    > Master - WD800JBRTL 80GB ATA100 | Instant Msg - Trillian Pro 2.013
    > Slave - Maxtor 30GB ATA-66 | Media - WinAmp 5.01
    > Chaintech GeForce FX 5600XT | Media - RealOne 2.0 build 6.0.11.853

    Driver: 61.77 nVidia Reference | Media - Windows MP 8.00.00.4487
    > 128MB Video DDR SDRAM / AGP | Visual Basic 6.0 Learning Edition
    > Display 1600 x 1200 @ 75Hz | WordProc - MS Office 97
    > Modem - DSI DI3635 v.90 Voice/Fax | Financial - MS Money 2003
    > Mouse - Logitech Optical Mouseman | ImgEdit - Paint Shop Pro 8.01
    > Microsoft Keyboard (Contoured) |
    > Monitor - NEC FP2141SB 22" Multisy |=====================================
    > SBLive Platinum 5.1 - LiveDrive II | F U T U R E U P G R A D E S
    > Speakers - Altec Lansing 5.1 |-------------------------------------
    > MIDI Key - M-Audio Keystation 61es | Abit NF8 w/ AMD Athlon 64 3200
    > Printer - Xerox Workcentre XE80 | Add 1GB of DDR400
    > Video Capt - Hauppauge WinTV 404 | Add 500 GB of SATA HD Capacity
    > Scann - Visioneer OneTouch 9120USB | Replace Beige contoured keyboard
    > UPS - Belkin F6C100-UNV 1000VA 75m | with a black contoured one.
    > CD-RW - Aopen 52/32/52 | nVidia 6800GT video card
    > CD-RW/DVD - Toshiba SD-R1002 |
    > Gravis XTerminator Digital Gamepad |
    > -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ===========================================================================
     
    Damaeus, Feb 6, 2005
    #6
  7. Damaeus

    Folk Guest

    On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
    <> wrote:

    >In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
    ><> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
    >
    >> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA card
    >> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with not
    >> so much as a hiccup!!!

    >
    >$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
    >true 6800 Ultra is only $464. :)


    That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
    of easily does Ultra speeds.
     
    Folk, Feb 6, 2005
    #7
  8. Damaeus

    Tom Dauphin Guest

    That's very true that the EVGA 6800 GT will easily clock to Ultra speeds.
    However, the Ultra can just as easily OC to speeds higher than what it was
    designed for - 500/1200 for example. The biggest bang for the buck though is
    probably the GT, as they are virtually the same card - only the Ultra is
    certified at a higher clock. Don't forget that top of the line cards are
    usually running closer to their top end than lower speed cards and so do not
    usually OC as easily as the lower speed cards - IMHO.
    "Folk" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
    > ><> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
    > >
    > >> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA

    card
    > >> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more

    with not
    > >> so much as a hiccup!!!

    > >
    > >$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
    > >true 6800 Ultra is only $464. :)

    >
    > That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
    > of easily does Ultra speeds.
     
    Tom Dauphin, Feb 6, 2005
    #8
  9. "Folk" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
    >><> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
    >>
    >>> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA
    >>> card
    >>> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with
    >>> not
    >>> so much as a hiccup!!!

    >>
    >>$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
    >>true 6800 Ultra is only $464. :)

    >
    > That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
    > of easily does Ultra speeds.


    but what sort of speeds will the ultra do?
     
    Iain Dingsdale, Feb 6, 2005
    #9
  10. Damaeus

    Damaeus Guest

    In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Folk <> posted on
    Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:38:01 -0500:

    > That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
    > of easily does Ultra speeds.


    How overclockable is the GeForce 5600XT (Chaintech)? I figure I might as
    well overclock it a little while prepare to purchase upon a 6800 Ultra.
    Nearly doubling my CPU speed and increasing my bus speed from 266 to 400
    MHz didn't help framerates at all, it seems.

    Damaeus
     
    Damaeus, Feb 7, 2005
    #10
  11. Damaeus

    Folk Guest

    On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:38:42 GMT, Damaeus
    <> wrote:

    >In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Folk <> posted on
    >Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:38:01 -0500:
    >
    >> That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
    >> of easily does Ultra speeds.

    >
    >How overclockable is the GeForce 5600XT (Chaintech)? I figure I might as
    >well overclock it a little while prepare to purchase upon a 6800 Ultra.
    >Nearly doubling my CPU speed and increasing my bus speed from 266 to 400
    >MHz didn't help framerates at all, it seems.
    >
    >Damaeus


    I don't have a clue, sorry.
     
    Folk, Feb 7, 2005
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  12. Damaeus

    Folk Guest

    On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:43:01 GMT, "Iain Dingsdale"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"Folk" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:20:15 GMT, Damaeus
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, "Tom Dauphin"
    >>><> posted on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:05:34 GMT:
    >>>
    >>>> Have to agree that the EVGA 6800GT is a great card - In fact, any EVGA
    >>>> card
    >>>> is tops in my book. Have it OC'd to 6800 Ultra specs and a bit more with
    >>>> not
    >>>> so much as a hiccup!!!
    >>>
    >>>$388 for this card at newegg.com doesn't sound bad at all. But then the
    >>>true 6800 Ultra is only $464. :)

    >>
    >> That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
    >> of easily does Ultra speeds.

    >
    >but what sort of speeds will the ultra do?


    It's a crapshoot. It's kind of like processors. If Intel announces a
    range of speed grades based on the same core, like 2.8, 3.0 and 3.2
    Ghz respectively, then most 2.8's will do 3.0, quite a few 3.0's will
    do 3.2, but there will be quite a few 3.2's that will go no higher
    than 3.2. So there's no guarantee of a good O/C on the Ultra.
     
    Folk, Feb 7, 2005
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  13. Damaeus

    RJT Guest

    Damaeus wrote:

    >>That's $75 for virtually nothing, since every 6800 GT I've ever heard
    >>of easily does Ultra speeds.

    >
    > How overclockable is the GeForce 5600XT (Chaintech)? I figure I might as
    > well overclock it a little while prepare to purchase upon a 6800 Ultra.
    > Nearly doubling my CPU speed and increasing my bus speed from 266 to 400
    > MHz didn't help framerates at all, it seems.


    Raising the clock on the 5600XT will get you maybe 1 or 2 fps more. The
    6800GT is A LOT faster. I bought a Leadtek 6800GT, which has 350/1000 as
    standard speeds. Using the auto-overclock util that came bundled with
    the card, it defaults to 410/1100, which is higher than the standard
    Ultra speeds. Did I mention the 6800GT is waaaayyyy faster than your
    5600? Don't prepare a purchase of an Ultra, get a GT. Even if it doesn't
    quite reach Ultra speeds, it's still a sound investment.
    Then your bottleneck will be the CPU again ;)
     
    RJT, Feb 7, 2005
    #13
  14. Damaeus

    Damaeus Guest

    In news:alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, RJT <>
    posted on Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:42:27 +0100:

    > Raising the clock on the 5600XT will get you maybe 1 or 2 fps more. The
    > 6800GT is A LOT faster. I bought a Leadtek 6800GT, which has 350/1000 as
    > standard speeds. Using the auto-overclock util that came bundled with
    > the card, it defaults to 410/1100, which is higher than the standard
    > Ultra speeds. Did I mention the 6800GT is waaaayyyy faster than your
    > 5600? Don't prepare a purchase of an Ultra, get a GT. Even if it doesn't
    > quite reach Ultra speeds, it's still a sound investment.
    > Then your bottleneck will be the CPU again ;)


    Jeezus, when does it end? :)

    I think I remember when the GeForce 2 Ultra and the ATI equivalent were
    out... the guys on TechTV, IIRC, were saying that they thought graphics
    cards had gotten to be about as good as they needed to be and that there
    really wasn't much more to improve on. How wrong they were. Of course, I
    might have misheard or something, but...

    Anyway, I don't think GPU development is anywhere close to being top notch.
    When we can see characters so realistic that they're indistinguishable from
    the real thing, played in real time where the controls of our keyboard
    cause the character to move, and move in a realistic way -- not this
    rotating animation we have now of a running character, and when we can zoom
    in and zoom out without loss of resolution (zoom in to see pores on the
    skin, and even further to see skin cells, etc...) then GPU's will be pretty
    much a complete project. But that kind of realism may be 30 years away.
    :)

    Damaeus
     
    Damaeus, Feb 8, 2005
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