Biostar M6TWG Overclock Celeron II 600

Discussion in 'Biostar' started by r3sil3, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. r3sil3

    r3sil3 Guest

    Ok, I'm trying to figure out how to overclock my PC.
    I know, I know, its slow and old.

    I have went into Bios, which is by Award, and i can change CPU/DIMM/an
    some other setting, but the most i can get it to oc is 675.

    I cant change the core voltage through the BIOS, does anyone know how
    could change the core voltage on the MOBO through jumpers?

    Im still new at overclocking.

    Thanks

    r3sil

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  2. Phil Weldon

    Phil Weldon Guest

    This is not going to be a short answer.

    If you just want to jump in with no thought for the consequences, the first,
    inexpensive, step you should try is to set the ratio of the FrontSide Bus
    (what your BIOS evidently calls 'Host') and the PCI Clock so that the PCI
    Clock is less than 37 MHz.

    ***
    The FIRST thing to do when overclocking equipment you alread have is read
    the manual for your motherboard (either you already have it, or you can
    download most motherboard manuals from the manufacturer website. The Biostar
    M6TWG motherboard evidently has no settings, either in the BIOS, or by
    jumpers on the motherboard to change CPU voltage settings.

    There is a jumper to choose between a FrontSide Bus frequency of 66 MHz and
    100 MHz.

    There is a BIOS setting for Memory timings, but unless you have REALLY slow
    memory (certified only for 66 MHz) these settings should just be left at.
    default.

    There is a BIOS setting for CPU Host/PCI Clock and there is a setting for
    CPU ratio. The CPU ratio should be a ratio between the PCI bus speed and the
    FrontSide Bus speed. It should be set so that the PCI clock is less than 36
    MHz (i.e. if the FrontSide bus speed is 100 MHz, the ratio should be set to
    1/3 [or 3], if the FrontSide Bus speed is 66 MHz, the ratio should be set to
    1/2 [or 2], if the FrontSide Bus speed is over 75 MHz, then the ratio has to
    be set to 1/3 [or 3]). Some BIOS use fractions, some use whole numbers for
    the ratio setting. On the other hand, translations for motherboards tend to
    leave a lot of ambiguity. You will just have to work out whether the 'CPU
    Ratio' is just the CPU multiplier (which you can't change, it is fixed
    inside the CPU.) If the 'CPU Host/ PCI Clock' ratio sets the frequency
    relationship between the FrontSide Bus, then it would seem that the 'CPU
    ratio' could only be the 'CPU multiplier", and can't be changed (or, if, as
    in some BIOS, it CAN be changed, the change has NO effect (except for Intel
    PC compatible CPUs prior to midrange Pentium II CPUs.)

    Evidently you are setting the FrontSide Bus speed to 75 MHz so that the
    locked in multiplier of 9 X for the Celeron 600 clocks at 75 MHz X 9 = 675
    MHz.

    If the PCI bus is set to much above its stock speed of 33 MHz corruption of
    hard drive data will begin to occur, both on reads and, what is worse,
    writes. In the far past, some motherboards and hard drives seemed to work
    at PCI bus speeds as high as 40 MHz, but that was taking a chance. (Nearly
    every peripheral other than the AGP card for a PC compatible computer is
    hung on the PCI bus; there really is nothing to be gained by overclocking
    the PCI bus, and lots to lose.)

    Intel CPUs are very overclockable as a rule. Some overclock amazingly well
    (especially those of mid-range speeds of a particular manufacturing process)
    out of the box with stock voltages and cooling, requiring only increasing
    the FrontSide Bus speed and adjusting the PCI bus ratio (and AGP bus ratio)
    to attain stable operation. Some require increasing the CPU voltage by less
    than 20% (more than that risks immediate destruction of the CPU.) Some,
    especially for extreme overclocks, require better than stock cooling.
    Experience has shown that there is a trade off of temperature overhead and
    clock speed overhead.

    Depending on the symptoms that show up when you try to overclock slightly
    above 675 MHz, the problem you experience may be the result of a too high
    PCI bus speed.

    Or it could be that your particular CPU chip requires a small voltage boost.

    Or it could be that your particular CPU chip will not reach a higher
    overclock no matter what you do.

    ***
    The first, inexpensive step you should try is to set the ratio of the
    FrontSide Bus (what your BIOS evidently calls 'Host') and the PCI Clock so
    that the PCI Clock is less than 37 MHz.

    The ideal overclock for the Celeron 600 is to change the FrontSide Bus speed
    to 100 MHz and set the PCI bus speed to 1/3 the FrontSide Bus speed. This
    ensures that the PCI bus speed is correct and gives a very nice overclock of
    50% (900 MHz.) This should be easily attainable, but raising the CPU
    voltage may be neccessary. At any rate, overclocking should be approached
    step by step. Try smaller increases in the FrontSide Bus Speed (if
    possible) rather than jumping directly from 66 MHz to 100 MHz.

    There are ways to mechanicaly change the setting of the CPU core voltage by
    wiring CPU pins together, but that really isn't something you want to risk
    in starting out.

    The best overclocking experiences come from using an overclocking friendly
    motherboard with a good reputation, a CPU model known to be a good
    overclocker, and a high quality power supply. Try to eliminate as many
    potentil weak spots as possible before begining to operate the CPU above
    specifications. It will save a lot of frustration.

    Phil Weldon


    "r3sil3" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > Ok, I'm trying to figure out how to overclock my PC.
    > I know, I know, its slow and old.
    >
    > I have went into Bios, which is by Award, and i can change CPU/DIMM/and
    > some other setting, but the most i can get it to oc is 675.
    >
    > I cant change the core voltage through the BIOS, does anyone know how I
    > could change the core voltage on the MOBO through jumpers?
    >
    > Im still new at overclocking.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > r3sil3
    >
    >
    > --
    > r3sil3
     
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  3. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Phil Weldon wrote:
    > This is not going to be a short answer.
    >
    > If you just want to jump in with no thought for the consequences, the
    > first, inexpensive, step you should try is to set the ratio of the
    > FrontSide Bus (what your BIOS evidently calls 'Host') and the PCI
    > Clock so that the PCI Clock is less than 37 MHz.
    >
    > ***
    > The FIRST thing to do when overclocking equipment you alread have is
    > read the manual for your motherboard (either you already have it, or
    > you can download most motherboard manuals from the manufacturer
    > website. The Biostar M6TWG motherboard evidently has no settings,
    > either in the BIOS, or by jumpers on the motherboard to change CPU
    > voltage settings.
    > There is a jumper to choose between a FrontSide Bus frequency of 66
    > MHz and 100 MHz.
    >
    > There is a BIOS setting for Memory timings, but unless you have
    > REALLY slow memory (certified only for 66 MHz) these settings should
    > just be left at. default.
    >
    > There is a BIOS setting for CPU Host/PCI Clock and there is a setting
    > for CPU ratio. The CPU ratio should be a ratio between the PCI bus
    > speed and the FrontSide Bus speed. It should be set so that the PCI
    > clock is less than 36 MHz (i.e. if the FrontSide bus speed is 100
    > MHz, the ratio should be set to 1/3 [or 3], if the FrontSide Bus
    > speed is 66 MHz, the ratio should be set to 1/2 [or 2], if the
    > FrontSide Bus speed is over 75 MHz, then the ratio has to be set to
    > 1/3 [or 3]). Some BIOS use fractions, some use whole numbers for the
    > ratio setting. On the other hand, translations for motherboards tend
    > to leave a lot of ambiguity. You will just have to work out whether
    > the 'CPU Ratio' is just the CPU multiplier (which you can't change,
    > it is fixed inside the CPU.) If the 'CPU Host/ PCI Clock' ratio sets
    > the frequency relationship between the FrontSide Bus, then it would
    > seem that the 'CPU ratio' could only be the 'CPU multiplier", and
    > can't be changed (or, if, as in some BIOS, it CAN be changed, the
    > change has NO effect (except for Intel PC compatible CPUs prior to
    > midrange Pentium II CPUs.)
    > Evidently you are setting the FrontSide Bus speed to 75 MHz so that
    > the locked in multiplier of 9 X for the Celeron 600 clocks at 75 MHz
    > X 9 = 675 MHz.
    >
    > If the PCI bus is set to much above its stock speed of 33 MHz
    > corruption of hard drive data will begin to occur, both on reads and,
    > what is worse, writes. In the far past, some motherboards and hard
    > drives seemed to work at PCI bus speeds as high as 40 MHz, but that
    > was taking a chance. (Nearly every peripheral other than the AGP
    > card for a PC compatible computer is hung on the PCI bus; there
    > really is nothing to be gained by overclocking the PCI bus, and lots
    > to lose.)
    > Intel CPUs are very overclockable as a rule. Some overclock
    > amazingly well (especially those of mid-range speeds of a particular
    > manufacturing process) out of the box with stock voltages and
    > cooling, requiring only increasing the FrontSide Bus speed and
    > adjusting the PCI bus ratio (and AGP bus ratio) to attain stable
    > operation. Some require increasing the CPU voltage by less than 20%
    > (more than that risks immediate destruction of the CPU.) Some,
    > especially for extreme overclocks, require better than stock cooling.
    > Experience has shown that there is a trade off of temperature
    > overhead and clock speed overhead.
    > Depending on the symptoms that show up when you try to overclock
    > slightly above 675 MHz, the problem you experience may be the result
    > of a too high PCI bus speed.
    >
    > Or it could be that your particular CPU chip requires a small voltage
    > boost.
    > Or it could be that your particular CPU chip will not reach a higher
    > overclock no matter what you do.
    >
    > ***
    > The first, inexpensive step you should try is to set the ratio of the
    > FrontSide Bus (what your BIOS evidently calls 'Host') and the PCI
    > Clock so that the PCI Clock is less than 37 MHz.
    >
    > The ideal overclock for the Celeron 600 is to change the FrontSide
    > Bus speed to 100 MHz and set the PCI bus speed to 1/3 the FrontSide
    > Bus speed. This ensures that the PCI bus speed is correct and gives
    > a very nice overclock of 50% (900 MHz.) This should be easily
    > attainable, but raising the CPU voltage may be neccessary. At any
    > rate, overclocking should be approached step by step. Try smaller
    > increases in the FrontSide Bus Speed (if possible) rather than
    > jumping directly from 66 MHz to 100 MHz.
    > There are ways to mechanicaly change the setting of the CPU core
    > voltage by wiring CPU pins together, but that really isn't something
    > you want to risk in starting out.
    >
    > The best overclocking experiences come from using an overclocking
    > friendly motherboard with a good reputation, a CPU model known to be
    > a good overclocker, and a high quality power supply. Try to
    > eliminate as many potentil weak spots as possible before begining to
    > operate the CPU above specifications. It will save a lot of
    > frustration.


    Nice answer Phil. Where do you get the patience?

    I have two Intel Celeron 600 Coppermines here, a cB0 and a cC0 stepping and
    both will run just fine at 900MHz. However they both need respectable vcore
    boosts to do so, the cC0 less so than the cB0. It's a shame that they're
    both sitting in a drawer, they're good CPUs. However, since I got adapters
    and Tualatins my three BX boards are all running Celeron Tuis now.
    --
    ~misfit~

    > "r3sil3" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>
    >> Ok, I'm trying to figure out how to overclock my PC.
    >> I know, I know, its slow and old.
    >>
    >> I have went into Bios, which is by Award, and i can change
    >> CPU/DIMM/and some other setting, but the most i can get it to oc is
    >> 675. I cant change the core voltage through the BIOS, does anyone know
    >> how I could change the core voltage on the MOBO through jumpers?
    >>
    >> Im still new at overclocking.
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> r3sil3
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> r3sil3
     
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