Confirmation of no more OS software updates for Snow Leopard ?

Discussion in 'Apple' started by JF Mezei, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    Will Apple eventually confirm in writing that there will no longer be
    any software updates for the OS components on Snow Leopard ? Or does it
    reserve the right to do such upgrades at any time even years after the
    last one ?


    or can we expect componenst such as webkit to continue to be upgraded
    (requirin reboots etc) for many years to come ?

    In particular, I am looking at Apache, PHP, MySQL, Postfix,
    SquirrelMail, Dovecot and other open sourced packages that I indend to
    start managing/upgrading myself.

    (This is mostly for OS-X Server).
     
    JF Mezei, Aug 6, 2012
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  2. JF Mezei

    Warren Oates Guest

    In article <50203346$0$1443$c3e8da3$>,
    JF Mezei <> wrote:

    >
    > In particular, I am looking at Apache, PHP, MySQL, Postfix,
    > SquirrelMail, Dovecot and other open sourced packages that I indend to
    > start managing/upgrading myself.


    I can't address your concerns about the last two on the list, and maybe
    MySQL and Postfix, but you should always have your own tailored versions
    of Apache and PHP.
    --

    .... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child
     
    Warren Oates, Aug 6, 2012
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  3. JF Mezei

    Lewis Guest

    In message <502041ab$0$45643$c3e8da3$>
    Warren Oates <> wrote:
    > In article <50203346$0$1443$c3e8da3$>,
    > JF Mezei <> wrote:


    >>
    >> In particular, I am looking at Apache, PHP, MySQL, Postfix,
    >> SquirrelMail, Dovecot and other open sourced packages that I indend to
    >> start managing/upgrading myself.


    > I can't address your concerns about the last two on the list, and maybe
    > MySQL and Postfix, but you should always have your own tailored versions
    > of Apache and PHP.


    I've never seen any need to have my own version of Apache on OS X, and I
    do maintain apache installs across several remote servers. The included
    apache is just fine. I do enable php, of course, and make a few other
    tweaks to the httpd.conf, but install my own apache? Don't need it.

    --
    Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to
    show you any stinking badges.
     
    Lewis, Aug 6, 2012
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  4. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    Re: Confirmation of no more OS software updates for Snow Leopard?

    Lewis wrote:

    > I've never seen any need to have my own version of Apache on OS X,



    But With Apache will keep evolving and Apple won't prodiuce new versions
    for OA-X Snow Leopard.

    In fact, Apple won't produce new versions for many things, including
    MySQL (since it moved to a different database engine on Lion server),
    Squirrel Mail ( no more web mail access on Lion/Mountain Lion server),
    and no longer uses Dovecot for POP/IMAP, so I wo't get updates for those.
     
    JF Mezei, Aug 7, 2012
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  5. JF Mezei

    Davoud Guest

    JF Mezei:

    > Will Apple eventually confirm in writing that there will no longer be
    > any software updates for the OS components on Snow Leopard ? Or does it
    > reserve the right to do such upgrades at any time even years after the
    > last one ?


    I spin my magic wheel and the authoritative answer is: "No one here
    knows the answer to that question. You could try asking Apple, but they
    will not tell you." But, as usual, I don't think you were looking for
    an answer, just wanting to spark more idle speculation. Too much time
    on your hands? Get a hobby.

    --
    I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
    you will say in your entire life.

    usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
     
    Davoud, Aug 7, 2012
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  6. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    Re: Confirmation of no more OS software updates for Snow Leopard?

    Davoud wrote:

    > I spin my magic wheel and the authoritative answer is: "No one here
    > knows the answer to that question. You could try asking Apple, but they
    > will not tell you." But, as usual, I don't think you were looking for
    > an answer, just wanting to spark more idle speculation.



    Since I am on Snow Leopard, and am stuck there for various reasons, my
    question was serious.
     
    JF Mezei, Aug 7, 2012
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  7. JF Mezei

    David Empson Guest

    JF Mezei <> wrote:

    > Will Apple eventually confirm in writing that there will no longer be
    > any software updates for the OS components on Snow Leopard ? Or does it
    > reserve the right to do such upgrades at any time even years after the
    > last one ?


    As far as I know, Apple has never confirmed in writing when they will
    stop or have stopped updating earlier systems. It can only be determined
    from anecdotal evidence, and the cutoff appears to vary between
    components.

    The usual rules (as determined by observation of past versions) are:

    1. Minor version updates cease around the time the next major version is
    released (e.g. 10.6.8 came out shortly before 10.7, 10.5.8 shortly
    before 10.6, but 10.4.11 was shortly after 10.5).

    As we are in the transition zone after the introduction of 10.8, it is
    not clear yet whether there will be a 10.7.5 update, but there have been
    rumours citing a developer seed of that version. If 10.7.5 is released,
    it would probably be the last minor version update for Lion.

    2. Security updates covering a wide range of system components cease
    around the time the second subsequent major version is released (e.g.
    10.5.8 got security updates until shortly before 10.7 was released,
    10.4.11 got security updates until shortly before 10.6 was released).

    We won't know whether Snow Leoaprd has stopped getting security updates
    until Apple releases the next Lion update. If 10.7.5 or a general
    security update for 10.7.4 is released, and there is no corresponding
    security update for 10.6.8 at the same time, it probably means Snow
    Leopard security updates have ceased.

    If there is a security update for Snow Lepoard then that might be the
    last one, but we won't know that until the following security update is
    released for Lion.

    3. During the "security updates only" window, Apple may also release
    other minor updates to specific components.

    4. Some components which get updated independently like Java, QuickTime,
    Remote Desktop, AirPort Utility and Safari seem to have their own
    completely arbitrary cutoff cycles. Java and QuickTime often stop
    getting updates before the final security update. Safari has sometimes
    been updated well beyond that point (for 10.4.11).

    When Safari 6 was released for Lion, Apple not only didn't release it
    for Snow Leopard, they also pulled the page which allowed you to
    manually download Safari for Snow Leopard, and pulled the Software
    Update images which let you update to Safari 5.1.7. At present, the last
    version of Safari avaialble for a fresh Snow Leopard installation is
    5.0.5, which came as part of the 10.6.8 combo update.

    This a puzzling situation and it may be temporary while Apple is working
    on a new Safari update for Snow Leopard, perhaps a version 5.2.

    5. iTunes supports older systems for quite a bit longer than anything
    else from Apple, sometimes a year or more after security updates have
    ceased.

    I expect iTunes will drop support for Leopard when the next major
    version is released with support for the new iPhone model, probably in
    September.

    There are rare exceptions where there is a "late" update targetting a
    specific issue. The main one which occurs to me is that Leopard got its
    last general security update in June 2011, but then had one-off updates
    to deal with Flashback in May 2012.

    Apple may of course break the pattern and do something different. We
    might yet see a 10.6.9 update, or a targetted Snow Leopard update to
    remove the vestiges of MobileMe support, perhaps even add some iCloud
    support (unlikely in my opinion).

    > or can we expect componenst such as webkit to continue to be upgraded
    > (requirin reboots etc) for many years to come ?


    Don't know yet. Safari on Snow Leopard may yet get another update, and
    if so, it could be updated for another year or so (based on what
    happened with Tiger, but not with Leopard).

    > In particular, I am looking at Apache, PHP, MySQL, Postfix,
    > SquirrelMail, Dovecot and other open sourced packages that I indend to
    > start managing/upgrading myself.


    Those are not likely to be updated further by Apple unless there is a
    general security update.

    I'm hoping that Snow Leopard will get at least one more security update,
    and based on usage figures, Apple may need to consider releasing Snow
    Leopard security updates for several more months.

    --
    David Empson
     
    David Empson, Aug 7, 2012
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  8. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    Re: Confirmation of no more OS software updates for Snow Leopard?

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    > I have no idea what you are going on about. Apple can and does update
    > apache and other pieces of system software periodically. They may or may
    > not do that, or better, in the future, too. What's the big deal?


    It isnt a "big" deal because I know this is coming. But I must gradually
    install "open sourced" version of the open sourced software on my server
    and gradually wein myself from apple supplied upgrades.

    This is easier if I could get a confirmation that the server will no
    longer get such automated upgrades which could put back into production
    Apple's version of the software.
     
    JF Mezei, Aug 7, 2012
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  9. JF Mezei

    Davoud Guest

    Davoud:
    > > I spin my magic wheel and the authoritative answer is: "No one here
    > > knows the answer to that question. You could try asking Apple, but they
    > > will not tell you." But, as usual, I don't think you were looking for
    > > an answer, just wanting to spark more idle speculation.


    JF Mezei:
    > Since I am on Snow Leopard, and am stuck there for various reasons, my
    > question was serious.


    I will take you at your word, and you may strike the last part of my
    response from the record, beginning with "But, as usual...."

    The first part of my response, from "No one here knows...." through
    "...will not tell you," stands.

    --
    I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
    you will say in your entire life.

    usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
     
    Davoud, Aug 7, 2012
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  10. JF Mezei

    Lewis Guest

    In message <502062ef$0$1209$c3e8da3$>
    JF Mezei <> wrote:
    > Lewis wrote:


    >> I've never seen any need to have my own version of Apache on OS X,


    > But With Apache will keep evolving and Apple won't prodiuce new versions
    > for OA-X Snow Leopard.


    What? Where did you get taht idea (if I am reading it correctly, which I
    am unsure of).

    --
    "I don't think the kind of friends I'd have would care."
     
    Lewis, Aug 7, 2012
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  11. JF Mezei

    Lewis Guest

    In message <50206e1c$0$1593$c3e8da3$>
    JF Mezei <> wrote:
    > Jolly Roger wrote:


    >> I have no idea what you are going on about. Apple can and does update
    >> apache and other pieces of system software periodically. They may or may
    >> not do that, or better, in the future, too. What's the big deal?


    > It isnt a "big" deal because I know this is coming. But I must gradually
    > install "open sourced" version of the open sourced software on my server
    > and gradually wein myself from apple supplied upgrades.


    You are *very* confused. Where ever did you get this idea? Or did you
    simply make it up?

    Apache is still installed as part of OS X 10.8. The only thing that has
    changed is that the GUI toggle switch to turn it on is only available in
    10.8 Server.



    --
    "If this was a dictatorship it would be a lot easier; as long as I was
    the dictator." -- George W Bush
     
    Lewis, Aug 7, 2012
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  12. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    Re: Confirmation of no more OS software updates for Snow Leopard?

    Lewis wrote:

    > Apache is still installed as part of OS X 10.8. The only thing that has
    > changed is that the GUI toggle switch to turn it on is only available in
    > 10.8 Server.



    I am on Snow Leopard. So he question pertains to maintaining Snow
    Leopard systems into the future, now that Apple no longer updates it.

    And while Apache may still e distributed with OS-X, not all open sources
    middle ware is. (My Sql is apparently nolnger distributed, neither is
    Dovecot (IMAP/POP) and Squirrel Mail. (which relies in Python so I guess
    that is another poece I need to maintain).
     
    JF Mezei, Aug 7, 2012
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