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eMachines M5310 review

Discussion in 'Laptops' started by Nick Crawford, Aug 2, 2003.

  1. Hi guys,

    This is a "first impressions" review. I previously owned an Averatec 3150P,
    a ThinkPad T23, a Gateway 200 series (ultraportable), an Apple iBook 800mhz,
    and a Dell Inspiron 7500.

    Needless to say, I wasn't very impressed with the Averatec 3150P. The build
    quality wasn't very good. However, considering the price of the Averatec,
    it was an AMAZING machine. The only reason I was looking for something else
    is because I needed a bigger screen -- 12.1" at 1024x768 doesn't cut it for
    some of the development projects I've been working on, and I'm technical
    enough to work my way through a lot of the problems on the 3150 (I had that
    thing in 20 pieces at one time fixing problems).

    First impressions of the eMachines is awesome.

    Screen:
    The screen is amazing -- 15.4" wide aspect at 16:10 aspect ratio (1280x800).

    Build/quality:
    The build quality is excellent, very solid. I can pick it up with one hand
    on one side and it doesn't flex or bend like the Averatec.
    It's a much larger notebook, however the machine is still very portable,
    decently thin and not very heavy for how big it is (6.5lbs). I was stuck on
    ultraportables for awhile, still prefer them, however I can definitely live
    with this one. However, my Dell Inspiron 7500 was unbearable as far as
    weight and size is concerned.

    Wireless:
    It has the built in Broadcom 802.11g wireless card, which is in a miniPCI
    slot on the bottom of the machine. The reception is simply amazing, very
    comparable to my iBook which was also amazing. It appears the machine has
    several antennas coming off of the card and going somewhere in to the
    laptop, which is probably one of the reasons why the wireless performance is
    so good. I'm using a Netgear ME102 802.11b access point with a 1.5mbps
    down/56k up cable internet connection.

    Processor speed:
    The AMD Athlon XP-M 2400+ screams for most applications. I have no
    complaints, even my compilers work fast, comparable to my 2.4ghz P4 machine.

    Graphics:
    Need some work here. The ATI IGP card delivers about the same performance
    as the S3 Pro Savage card in the Averatec, which is not very good. With
    normal operation, it works wonderfully, however don't expect high
    performance on any modern game. This is not a big problem for me because I
    do very little gaming.

    Keyboard/feel:
    full size keyboard. 100% better than the cramped keyboard on the Averatec.

    Value/Price:
    Unbeatable. Better than the Averatec.

    Customer (sales) service (so far):
    Excellent. Asked for overnight shipping. No build time. No waiting for
    two weeks. The machine was there the next day via FedEx, with a tracking
    number delivered the second it was put on the loading dock.

    Overall, this machine is an amazing value. So far everything has worked
    great, the laptop "feels" excellent, the screen and wireless performance is
    amazing, and all for $1200... you can't beat it. This machine makes me want
    to invest in eMachines. Never did before because of friends' experience
    with their desktop machines...

    Putting this machine in to a "value" notebook category, I give it a 9.5/10
    so far... the .5 would be satisfied with a better graphics card. Everything
    else is perfect or near perfect.

    __
    Nick
    Nick Crawford, Aug 2, 2003
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  2. Nick Crawford

    i'm_tired Guest

    Nick Crawford wrote:
    > Hi guys,


    <much appreciated review snipped>

    > Putting this machine in to a "value" notebook category, I give it a
    > 9.5/10 so far... the .5 would be satisfied with a better graphics
    > card. Everything else is perfect or near perfect.


    I was hoping to hear from someone owning one of these. They look like a
    good value at 1200 bucks (USD). I read some reviews of the M305 in which
    the reviewers complained about the performance of the machine due to the
    shared graphics (32 megs). Is the share adjustable in the M310? Or is it
    locked at 32 or 64 megs?

    Annnnd, just how bad are the graphics? Does this controller render DVD
    quality video? Or is it going to stutter on HD DVDs? Though I play an
    occasional game and even find need to render medium-sized CAD files
    occasionally, I'd really like to have a bit of entertainment available to me
    if I spend money on a portable even if I have to leave my games and CAD on
    my desktop machines.

    What OS came installed on that M5310? One day on their website it said
    there was a choice between W2K and XP-Home. Now it says XP-Home only.

    I'm really torn between the Sagar NP4760 and the eMachines M5310. 1200 USD
    is a good value but 2400 can configure the NP4760 into a real beast. I've
    also been considering the three offerings in widescreen from Toshiba, but
    even though the Toshibas come with 800 mhz FSB P-4s, the least expensive two
    of the three come with a video controller that may not provide substantial
    "oomph" for new games and the more expensive one of the three is really
    beginning to get out of my price range. Does anyone know of other
    widescreen laptops to be considered? I've looked at the Gateway and can't
    put it in the running with any of the ones I mentioned for a number of
    reasons. Am I missing any others that I should take a serious look at?
    i'm_tired, Aug 2, 2003
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    Joe Davis Guest

    i have a friend with a Dell 8500 and loves it. it gets a lot of bad press
    here in this group, mostly for the keyboard, but he uses it to demo
    high-end, graphics-intensive software and is very happy with it.


    "i'm_tired" <> wrote in message
    news:ptIWa.31734$cF.11870@rwcrnsc53...
    > Nick Crawford wrote:
    > > Hi guys,

    >
    > <much appreciated review snipped>
    >
    > > Putting this machine in to a "value" notebook category, I give it a
    > > 9.5/10 so far... the .5 would be satisfied with a better graphics
    > > card. Everything else is perfect or near perfect.

    >
    > I was hoping to hear from someone owning one of these. They look like a
    > good value at 1200 bucks (USD). I read some reviews of the M305 in which
    > the reviewers complained about the performance of the machine due to the
    > shared graphics (32 megs). Is the share adjustable in the M310? Or is it
    > locked at 32 or 64 megs?
    >
    > Annnnd, just how bad are the graphics? Does this controller render DVD
    > quality video? Or is it going to stutter on HD DVDs? Though I play an
    > occasional game and even find need to render medium-sized CAD files
    > occasionally, I'd really like to have a bit of entertainment available to

    me
    > if I spend money on a portable even if I have to leave my games and CAD on
    > my desktop machines.
    >
    > What OS came installed on that M5310? One day on their website it said
    > there was a choice between W2K and XP-Home. Now it says XP-Home only.
    >
    > I'm really torn between the Sagar NP4760 and the eMachines M5310. 1200

    USD
    > is a good value but 2400 can configure the NP4760 into a real beast. I've
    > also been considering the three offerings in widescreen from Toshiba, but
    > even though the Toshibas come with 800 mhz FSB P-4s, the least expensive

    two
    > of the three come with a video controller that may not provide substantial
    > "oomph" for new games and the more expensive one of the three is really
    > beginning to get out of my price range. Does anyone know of other
    > widescreen laptops to be considered? I've looked at the Gateway and can't
    > put it in the running with any of the ones I mentioned for a number of
    > reasons. Am I missing any others that I should take a serious look at?
    >
    >
    Joe Davis, Aug 2, 2003
    #3
  4. Hi all,

    Maybe I can give some insight to the video capability of the M5310 even
    though I don't own one. I own a Compaq Presario 900Z which uses the same ATI
    IGP 320 chipset as the M5310. I have an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ mobile CPU with
    768MB of DDR ram. 64 MB of that is dedicated to the video - I can adjust
    from 8MB, 16MB, 32MB and 64MB. The video quality is excellent on my machine.
    Especially watching DVD movies. There is no skipping or pausing. Playing
    games is good (at least for me). The games I have played are the following:
    Blackhawk Down, Sum of All Fears, Jedi Knight II, Need for Speed (all
    versions), Rogue Spear, and a few others. All are playable at 800x600 with
    full features enabled. I get probably around 25+ fps. Some games, such as
    the Sum of All Fears, I can play at 1024x768 resolution. I would like to
    have a better GPU such as the 9000, 9200 or 9600 but this is definietly
    adequate for my needs. The biggest lack of the ATI IGP 320 chipset is the
    lack of Transform and Lighting support. However, I when I upgraded to the
    latest ATI driver from Compaq's website my Transform and Lighting was
    enabled - not through the chipset but through the processor. The AMD Athlons
    have supported T&L through 3DNow!.

    I wish the eMachines was available at the time I bought min Presario 900Z
    (Nov 2002).

    Oh, you can't own eMachine's stock since the company is privately held. I
    use own their stock a couple of years ago.

    Anyway, hope this helps.

    Shawn

    "Joe Davis" <> wrote in message
    news:eeQWa.2662$...
    > i have a friend with a Dell 8500 and loves it. it gets a lot of bad press
    > here in this group, mostly for the keyboard, but he uses it to demo
    > high-end, graphics-intensive software and is very happy with it.
    >
    >
    > "i'm_tired" <> wrote in message
    > news:ptIWa.31734$cF.11870@rwcrnsc53...
    > > Nick Crawford wrote:
    > > > Hi guys,

    > >
    > > <much appreciated review snipped>
    > >
    > > > Putting this machine in to a "value" notebook category, I give it a
    > > > 9.5/10 so far... the .5 would be satisfied with a better graphics
    > > > card. Everything else is perfect or near perfect.

    > >
    > > I was hoping to hear from someone owning one of these. They look like a
    > > good value at 1200 bucks (USD). I read some reviews of the M305 in

    which
    > > the reviewers complained about the performance of the machine due to the
    > > shared graphics (32 megs). Is the share adjustable in the M310? Or is

    it
    > > locked at 32 or 64 megs?
    > >
    > > Annnnd, just how bad are the graphics? Does this controller render DVD
    > > quality video? Or is it going to stutter on HD DVDs? Though I play an
    > > occasional game and even find need to render medium-sized CAD files
    > > occasionally, I'd really like to have a bit of entertainment available

    to
    > me
    > > if I spend money on a portable even if I have to leave my games and CAD

    on
    > > my desktop machines.
    > >
    > > What OS came installed on that M5310? One day on their website it said
    > > there was a choice between W2K and XP-Home. Now it says XP-Home only.
    > >
    > > I'm really torn between the Sagar NP4760 and the eMachines M5310. 1200

    > USD
    > > is a good value but 2400 can configure the NP4760 into a real beast.

    I've
    > > also been considering the three offerings in widescreen from Toshiba,

    but
    > > even though the Toshibas come with 800 mhz FSB P-4s, the least expensive

    > two
    > > of the three come with a video controller that may not provide

    substantial
    > > "oomph" for new games and the more expensive one of the three is really
    > > beginning to get out of my price range. Does anyone know of other
    > > widescreen laptops to be considered? I've looked at the Gateway and

    can't
    > > put it in the running with any of the ones I mentioned for a number of
    > > reasons. Am I missing any others that I should take a serious look at?
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Shawn P. Miller, Aug 3, 2003
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  5. Nick Crawford

    marlinspike Guest

    "Nick Crawford" <> wrote in message
    news:AHGWa.45652$o%> Build/quality:
    > The build quality is excellent, very solid. I can pick it up with one

    hand
    > on one side and it doesn't flex or bend like the Averatec.


    Do many notebooks flex? I have two here (an HP 5375 and a Compaq 715), and
    neither of these have any flex.

    How hot does the bottom get? I went with an HP5375 over the Emachines for 2
    reasons: 1 I knew how crappy their desktops are and 2 it was very warm at
    the bottom in the store (granted they had it one a stand with very poor
    insulation, but I also was able to get the HP for $100 less.) Though, it,
    like my HP, might be such that it was very warm at first but as it breaks in
    it is getting cooler and cooler (how is this possible? I know with desktops
    they use a wax on the heat sink that melts to get better contact between it
    and the processor, do laptops have heat sinks too?)
    Richard
    marlinspike, Aug 3, 2003
    #5
  6. "i'm_tired" <> wrote in message
    news:ptIWa.31734$cF.11870@rwcrnsc53...

    >
    > I was hoping to hear from someone owning one of these. They look like a
    > good value at 1200 bucks (USD). I read some reviews of the M305 in which
    > the reviewers complained about the performance of the machine due to the
    > shared graphics (32 megs). Is the share adjustable in the M310? Or is it
    > locked at 32 or 64 megs?


    I'm sure the shared graphics memory has a lot to do with the performance.
    You have a choice of allocating 16, 32, or 64mb.

    >
    > Annnnd, just how bad are the graphics? Does this controller render DVD
    > quality video? Or is it going to stutter on HD DVDs? Though I play an
    > occasional game and even find need to render medium-sized CAD files
    > occasionally, I'd really like to have a bit of entertainment available to

    me
    > if I spend money on a portable even if I have to leave my games and CAD on
    > my desktop machines.


    Surprisingly, the DVD playback performance doesn't appear to be affected by
    the poor video card. Age of Empires or low frame rate games work quite well
    too, which is really the only type of gaming I do.

    >
    > What OS came installed on that M5310? One day on their website it said
    > there was a choice between W2K and XP-Home. Now it says XP-Home only.


    It came with home. This was a downside. I've since installed Pro.

    >
    > I'm really torn between the Sagar NP4760 and the eMachines M5310. 1200

    USD
    > is a good value but 2400 can configure the NP4760 into a real beast. I've
    > also been considering the three offerings in widescreen from Toshiba, but
    > even though the Toshibas come with 800 mhz FSB P-4s, the least expensive

    two
    > of the three come with a video controller that may not provide substantial
    > "oomph" for new games and the more expensive one of the three is really
    > beginning to get out of my price range. Does anyone know of other
    > widescreen laptops to be considered? I've looked at the Gateway and can't
    > put it in the running with any of the ones I mentioned for a number of
    > reasons. Am I missing any others that I should take a serious look at?
    >


    I've done quite a bit of research on the widescreen notebooks. The Gateway
    was the runner up. Honestly, I didn't purchase the gateway due to the build
    time. I needed the laptop this week for some projects and don't like the
    idea of waiting a week+ to have a notebook (that is most likely already
    built anyway) shipped to me. No shipping options either, 5-7 day ground is
    all that's available. I was kind of upset that it wasn't a centrino based
    system either, it does have the P4-M but I'd like the faster bus speed,
    power savings and wireless performance that comes with the Centrino.

    I looked at the Toshiba and then was turned down due to the weight -- 6.5lbs
    is my limit for a laptop, anything else and you might as well buy a small
    desktop, pack your cables and take it with you (don't take that too
    literally). The Toshiba weighed in at 8+ lbs if I remember correctly.
    Also, it came with a 17" screen and some poor choices for resolution. If I
    have a 17" widescreen notebook I'm going to want a little more than 1280x800
    (that resolution may not be exact but it's close for the model I looked at).
    1280x800 on a 15.4" screen is very acceptable though.

    Compaq X1000 series -- Too expensive for my tastes, and have heard horrible
    things about the keyboard.

    vprMatrix -- I don't support Best Buy. Period. Have heard about some nasty
    QC issues with these too and horror stories about getting them repaired at
    Best Buy (it's basically a Best Buy branded laptop), getting them back 3
    weeks later and nothing was touched on it.

    Fujitsu P5000 series -- ultra ultra portable. Too expensive. 512mb maximum
    memory .. that scares me. I like to run at 640 or more with some of my
    stuff, specifically VMware workstation.

    That's about all I've researched.

    --Nick

    That's about all the affordable options I've seen for a full size widescreen
    notebook.
    Nick Crawford, Aug 3, 2003
    #6
  7. "marlinspike" <> wrote in message
    news:bghtpe$lsk$...

    >
    > How hot does the bottom get? I went with an HP5375 over the Emachines for

    2
    > reasons: 1 I knew how crappy their desktops are and 2 it was very warm at
    > the bottom in the store (granted they had it one a stand with very poor
    > insulation, but I also was able to get the HP for $100 less.) Though, it,
    > like my HP, might be such that it was very warm at first but as it breaks

    in
    > it is getting cooler and cooler (how is this possible? I know with

    desktops
    > they use a wax on the heat sink that melts to get better contact between

    it
    > and the processor, do laptops have heat sinks too?)
    > Richard


    Cooling on this laptop is 100% improved over the Averatec. The 3150P used
    to burn my leg. This one is all hard plastic on the bottom, I've had it on
    for 4+ hours on my lap (yeah, I'm a geek) and it barely gets warm. I'm very
    pleased with the cooling in this unit. It has one decently sized
    multi-speed fan which blows out the back of the unit (very little noise).
    It runs cooler than the iBook, the Inspiron 7500, and the Gateway 200.

    --Nick

    >
    >
    Nick Crawford, Aug 3, 2003
    #7
  8. Now I just need to ditch Outlook Express for newsreading.. geez this reader
    sucks. My apologies for the messed up quotes.

    --Nick

    "Nick Crawford" <> wrote in message
    news:Fm%Wa.52333$o%2.26501@sccrnsc02...
    >
    > "marlinspike" <> wrote in message
    > news:bghtpe$lsk$...
    >
    > >
    > > How hot does the bottom get? I went with an HP5375 over the Emachines

    for
    > 2
    > > reasons: 1 I knew how crappy their desktops are and 2 it was very warm

    at
    > > the bottom in the store (granted they had it one a stand with very poor
    > > insulation, but I also was able to get the HP for $100 less.) Though,

    it,
    > > like my HP, might be such that it was very warm at first but as it

    breaks
    > in
    > > it is getting cooler and cooler (how is this possible? I know with

    > desktops
    > > they use a wax on the heat sink that melts to get better contact between

    > it
    > > and the processor, do laptops have heat sinks too?)
    > > Richard

    >
    > Cooling on this laptop is 100% improved over the Averatec. The 3150P used
    > to burn my leg. This one is all hard plastic on the bottom, I've had it

    on
    > for 4+ hours on my lap (yeah, I'm a geek) and it barely gets warm. I'm

    very
    > pleased with the cooling in this unit. It has one decently sized
    > multi-speed fan which blows out the back of the unit (very little noise).
    > It runs cooler than the iBook, the Inspiron 7500, and the Gateway 200.
    >
    > --Nick
    >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Nick Crawford, Aug 3, 2003
    #8
  9. Nick Crawford

    i'm_tired Guest

    Nick Crawford wrote:
    > Now I just need to ditch Outlook Express for newsreading.. geez this
    > reader sucks. My apologies for the messed up quotes.
    >


    Thanks for your earlier reply. Get OE-QuoteFix from here
    http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ . It doesn't make OE any
    good for binaries, but it does sort out the character-wrap and even gives
    you configurability as to how you view and quote messages.
    i'm_tired, Aug 3, 2003
    #9
  10. Nick Crawford

    Bill Pratt Guest

    If you look close...the eMachine looks like the vprMatrix.
    Bill Pratt, Aug 3, 2003
    #10
  11. Nick Crawford

    marlinspike Guest

    Except that the VPR Matrix can cause 1st degree burns :) As much as I
    wished I would like it and that vpr's warning that it gets hotter than other
    notebooks was just to cover their butts, it really does get very very hot.
    Richard
    "Bill Pratt" <> wrote in message
    news:QV%Wa.3259$...
    > If you look close...the eMachine looks like the vprMatrix.
    >
    >
    >
    marlinspike, Aug 3, 2003
    #11
  12. Nick Crawford

    Chad Guest

    you can pick one up @ Bestbuy.com for like $1050 after rebates.
    "i'm_tired" <> wrote in message
    news:ptIWa.31734$cF.11870@rwcrnsc53...
    > Nick Crawford wrote:
    > > Hi guys,

    >
    > <much appreciated review snipped>
    >
    > > Putting this machine in to a "value" notebook category, I give it a
    > > 9.5/10 so far... the .5 would be satisfied with a better graphics
    > > card. Everything else is perfect or near perfect.

    >
    > I was hoping to hear from someone owning one of these. They look like a
    > good value at 1200 bucks (USD). I read some reviews of the M305 in which
    > the reviewers complained about the performance of the machine due to the
    > shared graphics (32 megs). Is the share adjustable in the M310? Or is it
    > locked at 32 or 64 megs?
    >
    > Annnnd, just how bad are the graphics? Does this controller render DVD
    > quality video? Or is it going to stutter on HD DVDs? Though I play an
    > occasional game and even find need to render medium-sized CAD files
    > occasionally, I'd really like to have a bit of entertainment available to

    me
    > if I spend money on a portable even if I have to leave my games and CAD on
    > my desktop machines.
    >
    > What OS came installed on that M5310? One day on their website it said
    > there was a choice between W2K and XP-Home. Now it says XP-Home only.
    >
    > I'm really torn between the Sagar NP4760 and the eMachines M5310. 1200

    USD
    > is a good value but 2400 can configure the NP4760 into a real beast. I've
    > also been considering the three offerings in widescreen from Toshiba, but
    > even though the Toshibas come with 800 mhz FSB P-4s, the least expensive

    two
    > of the three come with a video controller that may not provide substantial
    > "oomph" for new games and the more expensive one of the three is really
    > beginning to get out of my price range. Does anyone know of other
    > widescreen laptops to be considered? I've looked at the Gateway and can't
    > put it in the running with any of the ones I mentioned for a number of
    > reasons. Am I missing any others that I should take a serious look at?
    >
    >
    Chad, Aug 3, 2003
    #12
  13. Nick Crawford

    David Chien Guest

    Not that good of a machine, IMO.

    1) $1199 + tax & shipping from emachines and wherever.

    2) Shared memory ATI graphics - only benchmarks around 1500-2500 3dMarks
    2001. A very poor performance if you're doing 3D gaming.

    3) Tough to press mouse keys. Here, your fingers will get tired if you
    mouse a lot.

    Otherwise, ignoring price for the moment, a decent notebook with a very
    nice screen.

    ---

    However, slide over to http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/ -> Hot Deals and
    checkout the Compaq X1000 thread to see what you've been missing.

    Direct link:
    http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?start=0&catid=18&threadid=198456

    As low as $1040 or so for the X1000. Far better ATI 9200 series
    graphics, faster Centrino processor options from 1.3Ghz - 1.7Ghz (1.5Ghz
    Centrino is faster than a 2.2Ghz P4-Mobile CPU), nicer mouse keys (IMO)
    with seperate mouse pad on/off button (to prevent accidental mousing
    when typing), higher resolutinos up to 1920x1200 15.4" screen
    resolutions, up to 2GB RAM options, up to 80GB RD options, etc.

    ---

    For less than the M5310, you can get a cheaper X1000. For the same or
    more, an even better X1000.


    eg. ~$1075 gets you 1.3Ghz P-M, XP Home, 40GB, 1680x1050 screen, 64MB
    Radeon 9200, 40GB HD, DVD-ROM/CD-RW, 56k, 10/100.

    Bestbuy has it for $1099 AR this week.

    X1000 forums:
    http://www.x1000forums.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=2acf191f3ba5f8435f5c1eec8c01ec41
    David Chien, Aug 4, 2003
    #13
  14. I agree with point 1 and 2. Point 1: I bought this machine a day before it
    went for sale at Best Buy with a $150 mail in rebate. My response: sh*t.
    Even with sales tax I would have saved about $150 considering there would be
    no shipping charge from Best Buy. (The damn thing is even in stock at the
    store now!!) Oh well.

    Point 3: I have no problem with the mouse keys on this notebook. They feel
    good, "click" very well, and I use the synaptics tapping function for most
    of my clicking anyway. The touchpad is also wider (probably to accomodate
    the wide screen), and has a scroll area on the right side. Works perfectly
    for me.

    For the price, this is an amazing notebook. The only real downside is the
    graphics card, which is not a big problem on my end.

    --Nick


    "David Chien" <> wrote in message
    news:bgmis2$68k$...
    > Not that good of a machine, IMO.
    >
    > 1) $1199 + tax & shipping from emachines and wherever.
    >
    > 2) Shared memory ATI graphics - only benchmarks around 1500-2500 3dMarks
    > 2001. A very poor performance if you're doing 3D gaming.
    >
    > 3) Tough to press mouse keys. Here, your fingers will get tired if you
    > mouse a lot.
    >
    > Otherwise, ignoring price for the moment, a decent notebook with a very
    > nice screen.
    >
    > ---
    >
    > However, slide over to http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/ -> Hot Deals and
    > checkout the Compaq X1000 thread to see what you've been missing.
    >
    > Direct link:
    >

    http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?start=0&catid=18&threadid=198456
    >
    > As low as $1040 or so for the X1000. Far better ATI 9200 series
    > graphics, faster Centrino processor options from 1.3Ghz - 1.7Ghz (1.5Ghz
    > Centrino is faster than a 2.2Ghz P4-Mobile CPU), nicer mouse keys (IMO)
    > with seperate mouse pad on/off button (to prevent accidental mousing
    > when typing), higher resolutinos up to 1920x1200 15.4" screen
    > resolutions, up to 2GB RAM options, up to 80GB RD options, etc.
    >
    > ---
    >
    > For less than the M5310, you can get a cheaper X1000. For the same or
    > more, an even better X1000.
    >
    >
    > eg. ~$1075 gets you 1.3Ghz P-M, XP Home, 40GB, 1680x1050 screen, 64MB
    > Radeon 9200, 40GB HD, DVD-ROM/CD-RW, 56k, 10/100.
    >
    > Bestbuy has it for $1099 AR this week.
    >
    > X1000 forums:
    >

    http://www.x1000forums.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=2acf191f3ba5f8435f5c1eec8c01ec41
    >
    Nick Crawford, Aug 5, 2003
    #14
  15. Nick Crawford

    marlinspike Guest

    "Nick Crawford" <> wrote in message
    news:LNDXa.66578
    > Point 3: I have no problem with the mouse keys on this notebook. They

    feel
    > good, "click" very well, and I use the synaptics tapping function for most
    > of my clicking anyway. The touchpad is also wider (probably to accomodate
    > the wide screen), and has a scroll area on the right side. Works

    perfectly
    > for me.


    I thought he was talking about the VPRMatrix mouse keys (which do suck).
    Either way, even with all the current discounts, when you set up the compaq
    to be comprable, you end up in the $1600 range.
    Richard
    marlinspike, Aug 5, 2003
    #15
  16. Nick Crawford

    Russ Fink Guest

    Does anyone have Linux performance figures comparing the M5310 to the
    Averatec 3150P, or to the Dell Inspiron 1100 or the Compaq X1000 or
    even the Fujitsu Lifebook (because CNET wants to compare everything
    against the Lifebook)?

    What about performance of the Athlon 2400+ to the Celerons (I mean the
    chips that are in these various units)? This has been bugging me.

    Once upon a time, having "Celeron" meant poorer performance. Is that
    still true?

    I suppose what it all works down to is that "cheap is cheap." I ran
    Linux on a Toshiba Satellite T100 (?) that had like a P-200 with 64Mb.
    I even ran X Windows, using xrvt terms and a light window manager to
    compensate for the performance, and it ran fairly decently. I suppose
    the M5310 is likely to blow me away.

    Russ
    Russ Fink, Aug 5, 2003
    #16
  17. Nick Crawford

    marlinspike Guest

    "Russ Fink" <> wrote in message
    > Once upon a time, having "Celeron" meant poorer performance. Is that
    > still true?


    Yes.

    Richard
    marlinspike, Aug 5, 2003
    #17
  18. marlinspike <> wrote:
    > "Russ Fink" <> wrote in message
    >> Once upon a time, having "Celeron" meant poorer performance. Is that
    >> still true?


    > Yes.


    But it was never true, or when it was true it was true only to such a
    weak degree (1%) that you won (I _loved_ my C300's "overclocked" to
    their natural running speed of 450MHz again!). It was intels attempt
    to keep the lower market niche occupied while their fabs kept on
    producing faster and faster cpus. Of course they had no way of
    producing slower cpus to order forever, so almost all the celerons ran
    exactly as fast as the supposedly top of the line models at the time -
    faster even, because they had had some of their cache disabled, and thus
    didn't heat up so much as intels naturally overclocked line.

    As to whether they could be run SMP - that was a matter of restoring
    the pins that intel had blocked. Funneeee. It was just like the days
    when IBM would come round at great expense in order to give you the
    faster processor you had just paid extra for, and just flip the switch
    inside the box.

    Peter
    Peter T. Breuer, Aug 5, 2003
    #18
  19. Nick Crawford wrote:

    > The Toshiba weighed in at 8+ lbs if I remember correctly. Also, it
    > came with a 17" screen and some poor choices for resolution. If I have
    > a 17" widescreen notebook I'm going to want a little more than
    > 1280x800 (that resolution may not be exact but it's close for the
    > model I looked at).


    FYI, the resolution on the Toshiba P25 is 1440 x 900.
    Richard Grossman, Aug 5, 2003
    #19
  20. I check it out at emachines.com: the display is 1280 x 800 max.
    resolution, but they don't say what max resolution the vga-out port will
    support. Anyone know?
    Richard Grossman, Aug 5, 2003
    #20
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