Memory suggestions Gigabyte EP45-DS3L (DDR2 1333 / 1200 ???)

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  1. Giga Guy

    Giga Guy Guest

    Does Gigabyte have any forums on their web site?

    I'm looking for suggestions for memory for Gigabyte EP45-DS3L rev 1.0
    board.

    http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2844

    The box says DDR2 1333/1200/1066/800/667, 1.8 volts, but I can't find
    any DDR2 1333, very few 1200, some 1100, and mostly 1066 and 800.

    This looks good:

    ------------------
    http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT2KIT25664AA1067

    4GB kit (2GBx2), 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-8500 memory module
    CT2KIT25664AA1067

    * Module Size: 4GB kit (2GBx2)
    * Package: 240-pin DIMM
    * Feature: DDR2 PC2-8500
    * Specs: DDR2 PC2-8500 CL=7 Unbuffered NON-ECC
    * DDR2-1066 1.8V 256Meg x 64
    ---------------

    And it's cheap enough ($80). Will it work?

    Is it a waste of time looking for DDR2 1333, 1200, 1150 or 1100 ?

    Should I ask this question on any other forum, like tomshardware?
     
    Giga Guy, Mar 10, 2009
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    JR Weiss Guest

    "Giga Guy" <> wrote
    > I'm looking for suggestions for memory for Gigabyte EP45-DS3L rev 1.0
    > board.
    >
    > The box says DDR2 1333/1200/1066/800/667, 1.8 volts, but I can't find
    > any DDR2 1333, very few 1200, some 1100, and mostly 1066 and 800.
    >
    > 4GB kit (2GBx2), 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-8500 memory module
    > CT2KIT25664AA1067
    >
    > And it's cheap enough ($80). Will it work?


    Yes, it will work just fine.

    So will

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289

    which is what I have on both my Gigabyte MoBos (P35 and X48). It's even cheaper
    (Note: direct from Crucial is not necessarily the cheapest place to get Crucial
    memory, either).


    > Is it a waste of time looking for DDR2 1333, 1200, 1150 or 1100 ?


    IMO, yes. The price isn't worth the theoretical performance increase, and
    longer latency on cheaper memory could make the "faster" RAM work not as well as
    the more common RAM.


    > Should I ask this question on any other forum, like tomshardware?


    Sure. I think you'll find a consensus for the PC2-8500, though...
     
    JR Weiss, Mar 11, 2009
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    RonM Guest

    Cost aside, What would be a advantage of using either one of those
    which are CL7 or CL6 (slower timings) but higher frequency
    over DDR2 PC2 -6400 CL4 such as this:
    (faster timings lower frequency)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209



    --
    Ron. Marraccini



    "JR Weiss" <> wrote in message
    news:gp721e$nth$...
    > "Giga Guy" <> wrote
    >> I'm looking for suggestions for memory for Gigabyte EP45-DS3L rev 1.0
    >> board.
    >>
    >> The box says DDR2 1333/1200/1066/800/667, 1.8 volts, but I can't find
    >> any DDR2 1333, very few 1200, some 1100, and mostly 1066 and 800.
    >>
    >> 4GB kit (2GBx2), 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-8500 memory module
    >> CT2KIT25664AA1067
    >>
    >> And it's cheap enough ($80). Will it work?

    >
    > Yes, it will work just fine.
    >
    > So will
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289
    >
    > which is what I have on both my Gigabyte MoBos (P35 and X48). It's even
    > cheaper (Note: direct from Crucial is not necessarily the cheapest place
    > to get Crucial memory, either).
    >
    >
    >> Is it a waste of time looking for DDR2 1333, 1200, 1150 or 1100 ?

    >
    > IMO, yes. The price isn't worth the theoretical performance increase, and
    > longer latency on cheaper memory could make the "faster" RAM work not as
    > well as the more common RAM.
    >
    >
    >> Should I ask this question on any other forum, like tomshardware?

    >
    > Sure. I think you'll find a consensus for the PC2-8500, though...
    >
     
    RonM, Mar 11, 2009
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    Jon Danniken Guest

    "Giga Guy" <> wrote in message news:...
    > Does Gigabyte have any forums on their web site?
    >
    > I'm looking for suggestions for memory for Gigabyte EP45-DS3L rev 1.0
    > board.


    I'm using that same board, bought last year (great board). Been happy using
    a 2x2Gb GSkill RAM kit that I bought with it, with specs of: CL5, 5-5-5-15,
    DDR2-1000 (PC2-8000).

    I don't think that particular kit is still available, but I've been
    perfectly happy with the specs (and it was on sale at the time, which is why
    I bought it).

    Jon
     
    Jon Danniken, Mar 11, 2009
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  5. Giga Guy

    RonM Guest

    I guess what I am getting at is:

    I have the GA-EP45-UD3P mobo.
    I would like to get an E8400 or E8500
    processor and run it overclocked (not gaming)
    at 3.6 /4.0 Ghz -

    Which speed would make this easier
    or would it matter?

    Thanks


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    Ron Marraccini

    "JR Weiss" <> wrote in message
    news:gp8jjd$7km$...
    >I suspect that the timings will have less effect than the frequency. I'd
    >go with the PC2-8500, which is 33% faster than the PC2-6400.
    >
    >
    > "RonM" <> wrote...
    >> Cost aside, What would be a advantage of using either one of those
    >> which are CL7 or CL6 (slower timings) but higher frequency
    >> over DDR2 PC2 -6400 CL4 such as this:
    >> (faster timings lower frequency)
    >>
    >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209

    >
    >
    >> "JR Weiss" <> wrote
    >>>> I'm looking for suggestions for memory for Gigabyte EP45-DS3L rev 1.0
    >>>> board.
    >>>>
    >>>> The box says DDR2 1333/1200/1066/800/667, 1.8 volts, but I can't find
    >>>> any DDR2 1333, very few 1200, some 1100, and mostly 1066 and 800.

    >
    >
     
    RonM, Mar 11, 2009
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  6. Giga Guy

    Giga Guy Guest

    Giga Guy wrote:

    > I'm looking for suggestions for memory for Gigabyte EP45-DS3L
    > rev 1.0 board.


    Ok, looking for comments here.

    I picked up a couple of these:

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-8500 Fatal1ty 4GB Dual Channel

    http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8500_fatal1ty_4gb_dual_channel

    The price was right (about $70, and with a rebate it should work out to
    something like $50 but I'm not counting on getting the rebate because
    they never work).

    It was pointed out to me that this ram is configured for 2.2v operation,
    which is not necessarily a good thing (it's better if you can run at
    high speed without having to resort to raising the voltage so high
    beyond the standard 1.8v).

    I'm going to try these out tommorrow and buy more if they work. I don't
    have a system built yet, was thinking of just running memtest86
    (correct?) on a naked board.

    Comments?
     
    Giga Guy, Mar 12, 2009
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  7. Giga Guy

    Giga Guy Guest

    Giga Guy wrote:

    > Gigabyte EP45-DS3L rev 1.0 board.
    >
    > I picked up a couple of these:
    >
    > OCZ DDR2 PC2-8500 Fatal1ty 4GB Dual Channel


    http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8500_fatal1ty_4gb_dual_channel

    Update:

    Ok, I plugged 4 of those ram sticks into the Gigabyte mobo.

    CPU is Q8200 (Core2 Quad)
    - 2.33 ghz
    - FSB 1333 mhz

    The thing powered up ok. I went into the bios, and was confronted with
    about a dozen or two different types of settings that are not really
    intutitive.

    One thing I noticed was that the bios was indicating that the ram was
    running at 800 mhz. I thought this ram was 1066 ?

    What do I need to do to setup the bios properly for this ram?

    PS: Intel, your heat-sink push pins suck really badly. I ripped them
    out and used 4 small bolts to mount the heatsink instead.
     
    Giga Guy, Mar 12, 2009
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  8. Giga Guy

    RonM Guest

    The board defaults to the 800Mhz setting -
    Go into the bios and change the settings/voltage per the RAM sticker
    yourself.
    Don't use the EasyTune program as it may overvolt.

    Let me know how it goes - I am wondering if I
    should have got the faster stuff myself.

    --
    Ron A. Marraccini


    "Giga Guy" <> wrote in message news:...
    > Giga Guy wrote:
    >
    >> Gigabyte EP45-DS3L rev 1.0 board.
    >>
    >> I picked up a couple of these:
    >>
    >> OCZ DDR2 PC2-8500 Fatal1ty 4GB Dual Channel

    >
    > http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8500_fatal1ty_4gb_dual_channel
    >
    > Update:
    >
    > Ok, I plugged 4 of those ram sticks into the Gigabyte mobo.
    >
    > CPU is Q8200 (Core2 Quad)
    > - 2.33 ghz
    > - FSB 1333 mhz
    >
    > The thing powered up ok. I went into the bios, and was confronted with
    > about a dozen or two different types of settings that are not really
    > intutitive.
    >
    > One thing I noticed was that the bios was indicating that the ram was
    > running at 800 mhz. I thought this ram was 1066 ?
    >
    > What do I need to do to setup the bios properly for this ram?
    >
    > PS: Intel, your heat-sink push pins suck really badly. I ripped them
    > out and used 4 small bolts to mount the heatsink instead.
     
    RonM, Mar 12, 2009
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    Giga Guy Guest

    RonM wrote:

    > The board defaults to the 800Mhz setting -
    > Go into the bios and change the settings/voltage per the RAM sticker
    > yourself.


    You saying that just by increasing the ram voltage, that the mobo will
    be able to "sense" something in the ram and increase the clock speed
    automatically?

    I think it said 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 v on the package. I did up the
    voltage to 1.9 but it still said 800 mhz in the bios.

    > Don't use the EasyTune program as it may overvolt.


    There's no OS on this thing yet. Is there a ram stress program that
    boots from a floppy? Was it something like memtest86? Is that what I'm
    thinking about?

    > Let me know how it goes - I am wondering if I
    > should have got the faster stuff myself.


    The earliest I'll be able to post back my next results will be about 6
    pm EST tommorrow.
     
    Giga Guy, Mar 12, 2009
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  10. Giga Guy

    RonM Guest

    You have to manually enter in your voltage, 2.0, and timings,
    which the website for your ram says are CL 6-7-7-20.
    It says you can go up to 2.05 v before violating the warrantee.
    EasyTune is a software program that Gigabyte includes with some of it's
    boards.

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    "Giga Guy" <> wrote in message news:...
    > RonM wrote:
    >
    >> The board defaults to the 800Mhz setting -
    >> Go into the bios and change the settings/voltage per the RAM sticker
    >> yourself.

    >
    > You saying that just by increasing the ram voltage, that the mobo will
    > be able to "sense" something in the ram and increase the clock speed
    > automatically?
    >
    > I think it said 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 v on the package. I did up the
    > voltage to 1.9 but it still said 800 mhz in the bios.
    >
    >> Don't use the EasyTune program as it may overvolt.

    >
    > There's no OS on this thing yet. Is there a ram stress program that
    > boots from a floppy? Was it something like memtest86? Is that what I'm
    > thinking about?
    >
    >> Let me know how it goes - I am wondering if I
    >> should have got the faster stuff myself.

    >
    > The earliest I'll be able to post back my next results will be about 6
    > pm EST tommorrow.
     
    RonM, Mar 12, 2009
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    Giga Guy Guest

    Giga Guy, Mar 13, 2009
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  12. Giga Guy

    Giga Guy Guest

    Ok, after all that shit with memtest 3.5, I'll be using memtest86+ 2.11
    from now on.

    What I've been testing so far are these:

    Kingston KHX8500D2K2/4G

    Kingston specs are 5-5-5-15 @ 2.2V, but they run really hot. I didn't
    take them above 2.0v. I found it was stable at 6-6-6-16 at 1066mhz
    (memory clock at 533 mhz) at 1.9v. I tried running it at 1110 mhz at
    2.0v but it failed memtest 2.11 consistently at about the 35% part of
    pass 1. Running at 1066, memtest reports 4226 mb/sec (single channel)
    and 5425 mb/sec (dual channel).

    Corsair Twin2X4096-8500C

    Specs printed on the dimms say 7-7-7-20, 2.0v, 1066 mhz. I found it
    stable at 6-6-6-16 at 2.0v running 1110 mhz. Memtest
    reports 4385 mb/s (single channel). Haven't tried them in dual channel.

    I'd have to give the edge to Corsair in this comparison.

    This again is on a Gigabyte EP45-DS3L with Intel Q8200 (Core2 Quad
    SLB5M) 2.33 GHz (clock multiplier 333 MHz x 7).

    My next test won't be for another day or two. I will try the OCZ
    fatality again, and try a full 8gb of ram.

    Does anyone mess around with the pages and pages of additional bios ram
    settings? Is there any pattern or proceedure for setting those? Should
    I even bother?

    Does anyone maintains a list of memtest speed charts or tables? There
    are lots of performance numbers out there that the various publications
    resort to, but I don't think I've seen any of them use the raw mb/sec
    numbers from memtest86.

    Why on earth did the industry migrate from DDR to DDR2 and now to DDR3
    if there are really no performance benefits from all these new ram
    versions - especially the transition from DDR2 to DDR3 ?
     
    Giga Guy, Mar 13, 2009
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