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Nvidia fullscreen mirroring intentionally removed

Discussion in 'Nvidia' started by Mike De Petris, Apr 20, 2009.

  1. I discovered an horrible thing today.
    I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    feature has been removed for an unknown reason:

    (from a 2007 forum post)
    Nvidia support answered to me this:

    Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.

    With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.

    This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    function may be added with the future driver updates.
     
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  2. GMAN

    GMAN Guest

    In article <>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    >I discovered an horrible thing today.
    >I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    >upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    >feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
    >
    >(from a 2007 forum post)
    >Nvidia support answered to me this:
    >
    >Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    >graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    >unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
    >
    >With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    >function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
    >
    >This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    >Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    >function may be added with the future driver updates.



    It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
    system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
    Nvidia did.

    Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)



    http://www.howtofixcomputers.
    com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
    oring-video-out-142422.html

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx
     
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  3. On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:
    > In article <..com>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > >I discovered an horrible thing today.
    > >I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    > >upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    > >feature has been removed for an unknown reason:

    >
    > >(from a 2007 forum post)
    > >Nvidia support answered to me this:

    >
    > >Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    > >graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    > >unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.

    >
    > >With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    > >function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.

    >
    > >This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    > >Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    > >function may be added with the future driver updates.

    >
    > It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
    > system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
    > Nvidia did.
    >
    > Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
    >
    > http://www.howtofixcomputers.
    > com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
    > oring-video-out-142422.html
    >
    > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx


    Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.
     
  4. On Apr 20, 5:53 pm, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    > On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > In article <>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:

    >
    > > >I discovered an horrible thing today.
    > > >I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    > > >upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    > > >feature has been removed for an unknown reason:

    >
    > > >(from a 2007 forum post)
    > > >Nvidia support answered to me this:

    >
    > > >Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    > > >graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    > > >unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.

    >
    > > >With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    > > >function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.

    >
    > > >This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    > > >Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    > > >function may be added with the future driver updates.

    >
    > > It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
    > > system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
    > > Nvidia did.

    >
    > > Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)

    >
    > >http://www.howtofixcomputers.
    > > com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
    > > oring-video-out-142422.html

    >
    > >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx

    >
    > Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.


    in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
    the same applies to MacOsX ?
     
  5. deimos

    deimos Guest

    Mike De Petris wrote:
    > On Apr 20, 5:53 pm, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    >> On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> In article <>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    >>>> I discovered an horrible thing today.
    >>>> I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    >>>> upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    >>>> feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
    >>>> (from a 2007 forum post)
    >>>> Nvidia support answered to me this:
    >>>> Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    >>>> graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    >>>> unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
    >>>> With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    >>>> function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
    >>>> This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    >>>> Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    >>>> function may be added with the future driver updates.
    >>> It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
    >>> system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
    >>> Nvidia did.
    >>> Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
    >>> http://www.howtofixcomputers.
    >>> com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
    >>> oring-video-out-142422.html
    >>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx

    >> Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.

    >
    > in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
    > the same applies to MacOsX ?


    .... clearly you have no idea what you want.
     
  6. On 21 Apr, 00:19, deimos <deimos@localhost> wrote:
    > Mike De Petris wrote:
    > > On Apr 20, 5:53 pm, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    > >> On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:

    >
    > >>> In article <>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    > >>>> I discovered an horrible thing today.
    > >>>> I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    > >>>> upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    > >>>> feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
    > >>>> (from a 2007 forum post)
    > >>>> Nvidia support answered to me this:
    > >>>> Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    > >>>> graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    > >>>> unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
    > >>>> With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    > >>>> function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
    > >>>> This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    > >>>> Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    > >>>> function may be added with the future driver updates.
    > >>> It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
    > >>> system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft but
    > >>> Nvidia did.
    > >>> Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
    > >>>http://www.howtofixcomputers.
    > >>> com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
    > >>> oring-video-out-142422.html
    > >>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx
    > >> Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.

    >
    > > in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
    > > the same applies to MacOsX ?

    >
    > ... clearly you have no idea what you want.


    what I want is to be able to:
    - use email/newsgroups
    - web surfing
    - play tv/video in a window while sending video fullscreen on a
    secondary monitor
    - move files
    - use Visual Studio 2008

    so I have a perfect idea, and I know all can be done on different
    OSes, using virtualization, my idea at the moment is that MacOs X is
    the best solution even if the most expensive, that's why I would like
    to discuss pro and con's with you
     
  7. Tecknomage

    Tecknomage Guest

    On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Mike De Petris
    <> wrote:

    > I discovered an horrible thing today.
    > I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    > upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    > feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
    >
    > (from a 2007 forum post)
    > Nvidia support answered to me this:
    >
    > Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    > graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    > unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
    >
    > With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    > function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
    >
    > This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    > Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    > function may be added with the future driver updates.



    Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
    generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
    technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
    inaccurate.

    Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
    available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.


    --
    ======== Tecknomage ========
    Computer Systems Specialist
    IT Technician
    San Diego, CA
     
  8. On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage <> wrote:
    > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days.  These people are
    > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
    > technicians.  They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
    > inaccurate.
    >
    > Note the qualification is "on TV."  The feature is likely still
    > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.


    oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
    Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
    the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
    search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.

    Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    "Mike De Petris" <> wrote in message news:...
    On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage <> wrote:
    > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
    > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
    > technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
    > inaccurate.
    >
    > Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
    > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.


    oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
    Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
    the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
    search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.

    Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.


    ***

    From Nvidia's knowledge base:

    "Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
    and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
    174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
    Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
    GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. Future
    Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
    Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
    Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
    certain applications which will require this option."

    FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft..
    You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
    Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.
     
  10. GMAN

    GMAN Guest

    In article <>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    >On 21 Apr, 00:19, deimos <deimos@localhost> wrote:
    >> Mike De Petris wrote:
    >> > On Apr 20, 5:53 pm, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    >> >> On Apr 20, 5:39 pm, (GMAN) wrote:

    >>
    >> >>> In article

    > <>, Mike De
    > Petris <> wrote:
    >> >>>> I discovered an horrible thing today.
    >> >>>> I use a lot this feature of my old FX5900 card, but now that I want to
    >> >>>> upgrade my system I read I can't go for an Nvidia gpu again, as the
    >> >>>> feature has been removed for an unknown reason:
    >> >>>> (from a 2007 forum post)
    >> >>>> Nvidia support answered to me this:
    >> >>>> Understand from your email that you are using a GeForce 8800 GTS
    >> >>>> graphics card and now with the new NVIDIA Control panel, you are
    >> >>>> unable to achieve fullscreen overlay on TV.
    >> >>>> With Geforce 8 Series graphics GPU's, the Full Screen Video Mirror
    >> >>>> function in the NVIDIA Control Panel is not available.
    >> >>>> This control is intentionally disabled because Full Screen Video
    >> >>>> Mirror is not supported on GeForce 8 series GPUs. However, this
    >> >>>> function may be added with the future driver updates.
    >> >>> It was forced upon them by Microsoft and their rules reagarding their DRM
    >> >>> system they built into windows. AMD/ATI chose not to cave to Microsoft

    > but
    >> >>> Nvidia did.
    >> >>> Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
    >> >>>http://www.howtofixcomputers.
    >> >>>

    > com/forums/nvidia-videocards/nvidia-blames-ms-not-having-fullscreen-video-mirr
    >> >>> oring-video-out-142422.html
    >> >>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd407266(VS.85).aspx
    >> >> Thank you very much, now I know what brand to buy for my new system.

    >>
    >> > in fact I was also considering a different OS for next system, does
    >> > the same applies to MacOsX ?

    >>
    >> ... clearly you have no idea what you want.

    >
    >what I want is to be able to:
    >- use email/newsgroups
    >- web surfing
    >- play tv/video in a window while sending video fullscreen on a
    >secondary monitor
    >- move files
    >- use Visual Studio 2008
    >
    >so I have a perfect idea, and I know all can be done on different
    >OSes, using virtualization, my idea at the moment is that MacOs X is
    >the best solution even if the most expensive, that's why I would like
    >to discuss pro and con's with you
    >
    >

    I own an Nvidia 8800GTS on my older machine but run a pair of ATI 3870 OC
    cards in my main Quad Corse system. It does full screen overlay just fine via
    the S-video and HDMI outputs on the card. But my damn 8800GTS on my old Dual
    Core system cannot due to this bullshit.
     
  11. On Apr 21, 9:39 pm, <> wrote:
    > "Mike De Petris" <> wrote in messagenews:...
    > On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage <> wrote:
    >
    > > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
    > > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
    > > technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
    > > inaccurate.

    >
    > > Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
    > > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.

    >
    > oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
    > Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
    > the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
    > search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.
    >
    > Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.
    >
    > ***
    >
    > From Nvidia's knowledge base:
    >
    > "Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
    > and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
    > 174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
    > Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
    > GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system.  Future
    > Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
    > Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
    > Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
    > certain applications which will require this option."
    >
    > FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft...
    > You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
    > Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.


    :-(

    anything more about : "Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly
    accessably through certain applications which will require this
    option." ??
     
  12. GMAN

    GMAN Guest

    In article <>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    >On Apr 21, 9:39=A0pm, <> wrote:
    >> "Mike De Petris" <> wrote in messagenews:16c96e65-e=

    >...
    >> On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage <> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
    >> > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
    >> > technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
    >> > inaccurate.

    >>
    >> > Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
    >> > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.

    >>
    >> oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
    >> Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
    >> the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
    >> search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.
    >>
    >> Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.
    >>
    >> ***
    >>
    >> From Nvidia's knowledge base:
    >>
    >> "Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
    >> and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
    >> 174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
    >> Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
    >> GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. =A0Future
    >> Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
    >> Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
    >> Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
    >> certain applications which will require this option."
    >>
    >> FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft=

    >...
    >> You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
    >> Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.

    >
    >:-(
    >
    >anything more about : "Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly
    >accessably through certain applications which will require this
    >option." ??


    Nope, disabled for all applications if using a 8XXX Nvidia card and 177 and
    above drivers or VISTA or Windows 7
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    "GMAN" <> wrote in message news:QIFHl.144319$1.easynews.com...
    > In article <>, Mike De Petris <> wrote:
    > >On Apr 21, 9:39=A0pm, <> wrote:
    > >> "Mike De Petris" <> wrote in messagenews:16c96e65-e=

    > >...
    > >> On Apr 21, 1:42 pm, Tecknomage <> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > Be cautious about so-called Tech Support now days. These people are
    > >> > generally Help Desk specialists (aka talking-heads) not real
    > >> > technicians. They tend to give canned answers which MAY be
    > >> > inaccurate.
    > >>
    > >> > Note the qualification is "on TV." The feature is likely still
    > >> > available for conventional monitors using DVI connection.
    > >>
    > >> oh no, I am sorry but unfortunately it's all true and stated on both
    > >> Nvidia and Microsoft official sites, they made an agreement to remove
    > >> the feature from all cards since 80xx and totally in Vista, a quick
    > >> search of "nvidia fullscreen mirror" will show you.
    > >>
    > >> Answer is to move to ATI where it is called "theatre mode", very sad.
    > >>
    > >> ***
    > >>
    > >> From Nvidia's knowledge base:
    > >>
    > >> "Full Screen Video Mirroring is available for Geforce 7 series GPUs
    > >> and older series when using the NVIDIA Forceware display drivers
    > >> 174.xx and below under Microsoft's Windows XP operating system.
    > >> Full Screen Video Mirroring is not supported for any NVIDIA based
    > >> GPU under Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. =A0Future
    > >> Release 177 drivers and above will no longer provide support for
    > >> Full Screen Video Mirroring for Geforce 7 GPUs and older GPUs.
    > >> Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly accessably through
    > >> certain applications which will require this option."
    > >>
    > >> FYI, video drivers are not the only thing taking a DRM hit from Microsoft=

    > >...
    > >> You should read the VERSION.TXT files for C-Media's audio controllers.
    > >> Digital output is intentionally disabled in most cases.

    > >
    > >:-(
    > >
    > >anything more about : "Full Screen Video Mirroring will be directly
    > >accessably through certain applications which will require this
    > >option." ??

    >
    > Nope, disabled for all applications if using a 8XXX Nvidia card and 177 and
    > above drivers or VISTA or Windows 7


    Just a guess, and it's far from an elegant solution, but would it work to
    create two separate hardware profiles on a machine -- one with 174.xx
    driver and the other with latest/greatest driver, and then select which
    one you want on each reboot?
     
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