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[OT] Dual DVI Card

Discussion in 'Intel' started by RL, Dec 26, 2003.

  1. RL

    RL Guest

    I post here because there seems to be a higher quality user. I need advice
    or recommendations on a good dual dvi video card. 2d/text quality and
    symmetry is most important.

    tia
     
    RL, Dec 26, 2003
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  2. RL

    daytripper Guest

    On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:34:36 GMT, "RL" <>
    wrote:

    >I post here because there seems to be a higher quality user. I need advice
    >or recommendations on a good dual dvi video card. 2d/text quality and
    >symmetry is most important.


    http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/parhelia/256mb.cfm

    I've been using a Parhelia 256 (AGP) for almost a year. I use it to drive
    three RGB 21" monitors, but you can use it to drive a pair of DVI devices, or
    a dual-DVI device. Very nice feature set, very *very* good display quality,
    works great with XP Pro...

    If that's a little rich, Matrox may still have the answer for you:

    http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_pseries/p750.cfm

    cheers

    /daytripper
     
    daytripper, Dec 27, 2003
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  3. RL

    RL Guest

    The Parhelia (128mb unit $349) is under consideration as is the P750 ($212)
    neither supports dx9. I see Nvidia based dual dvi cards for sub $200 that
    do support dx9. Asus 5600 is one. I just wonder if the 2d quality of
    Matrox product far exceeds the performance/value of the Nvidia product. I
    have 2 19" Samsung 191t's running in portrait mode on one system using a
    ti4200 by PNY. I have another system with 1 191t using an Ati Radeon 9000.
    The Ati using the DVI output seems to look better than the same model
    monitor on the DVI port of the Ti4200. The problem is there are visible
    difference on all 3 191t monitors. Since I do not play games I tend to lean
    toward the p750. It does have symmetrical dual dvi. I can say this for
    sure digital beats analog hands down when you get into 19' territory with
    LCD's.



    "daytripper" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:34:36 GMT, "RL" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >I post here because there seems to be a higher quality user. I need

    advice
    > >or recommendations on a good dual dvi video card. 2d/text quality and
    > >symmetry is most important.

    >
    > http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/parhelia/256mb.cfm
    >
    > I've been using a Parhelia 256 (AGP) for almost a year. I use it to drive
    > three RGB 21" monitors, but you can use it to drive a pair of DVI devices,

    or
    > a dual-DVI device. Very nice feature set, very *very* good display

    quality,
    > works great with XP Pro...
    >
    > If that's a little rich, Matrox may still have the answer for you:
    >
    > http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_pseries/p750.cfm
    >
    > cheers
    >
    > /daytripper
    >
     
    RL, Dec 27, 2003
    #3
  4. "RL" <> wrote in message
    news:gM6Hb.82351$...
    > The Parhelia (128mb unit $349) is under consideration as is the P750

    ($212)
    > neither supports dx9. I see Nvidia based dual dvi cards for sub $200 that
    > do support dx9. Asus 5600 is one. I just wonder if the 2d quality of
    > Matrox product far exceeds the performance/value of the Nvidia product. I
    > have 2 19" Samsung 191t's running in portrait mode on one system using a
    > ti4200 by PNY. I have another system with 1 191t using an Ati Radeon

    9000.
    > The Ati using the DVI output seems to look better than the same model
    > monitor on the DVI port of the Ti4200. The problem is there are visible
    > difference on all 3 191t monitors. Since I do not play games I tend to

    lean
    > toward the p750. It does have symmetrical dual dvi. I can say this for
    > sure digital beats analog hands down when you get into 19' territory with
    > LCD's.


    My 2 cents. If I were you I would go with the P750, for the price you're not
    going to find a better value for 2D applications. I very much prefer Matrox
    graphics products for systems where 3D gaming is not a priority, the 2D
    graphics quality is unbeatable. Kills the ATI Radeon 9000 I have in my
    system.

    Carlo
     
    Carlo Razzeto, Dec 27, 2003
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  5. RL

    Mike Smith Guest

    RL wrote:

    > I post here because there seems to be a higher quality user. I need advice
    > or recommendations on a good dual dvi video card. 2d/text quality and
    > symmetry is most important.


    I would think that, when using the DVI output, all cards look alike, or
    so similar that the differences are undetectable. This would not
    necessarily be the case with the analog output, though.

    --
    Mike Smith
     
    Mike Smith, Dec 29, 2003
    #5
  6. RL

    Mike Smith Guest

    Carlo Razzeto wrote:
    >
    > My 2 cents. If I were you I would go with the P750, for the price you're not
    > going to find a better value for 2D applications. I very much prefer Matrox
    > graphics products for systems where 3D gaming is not a priority, the 2D
    > graphics quality is unbeatable. Kills the ATI Radeon 9000 I have in my
    > system.


    Is that when using the DVI output, or the analog output? I really can't
    imagine the output of two different DVI cards being all that different
    in quality.

    --
    Mike Smith
     
    Mike Smith, Dec 29, 2003
    #6
  7. RL

    RL Guest

    There certainly seems to be a wide price range in dual DVI cards. Each
    manufacturer seems to have a consumer line and a pro line. Nvida based
    cards have Quadro. Ati based cards have FireGL.

    It stands to reason that digital to digital should be the same on all cards
    but yet.......I wonder. That is why I'm looking for input. The real
    players are Nvidia, ATI, 3D Labs and Martox. I do not care about video out
    or in. I do not care about ever needing analog. No one that I can find
    makes a simple dual DVI. They all have RAMDACS which I understand to be the
    difference in quality. I don't need no stinking RAMDAC. Could someone
    step-up to the bar and set me straight.

    TIA


    "Mike Smith" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > RL wrote:
    >
    > > I post here because there seems to be a higher quality user. I need

    advice
    > > or recommendations on a good dual dvi video card. 2d/text quality and
    > > symmetry is most important.

    >
    > I would think that, when using the DVI output, all cards look alike, or
    > so similar that the differences are undetectable. This would not
    > necessarily be the case with the analog output, though.
    >
    > --
    > Mike Smith
    >
    >
     
    RL, Dec 29, 2003
    #7
  8. "Mike Smith" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Carlo Razzeto wrote:



    >> My 2 cents. If I were you I would go with the P750, for the price you're
    >> not
    >> going to find a better value for 2D applications. I very much prefer
    >> Matrox
    >> graphics products for systems where 3D gaming is not a priority, the 2D
    >> graphics quality is unbeatable. Kills the ATI Radeon 9000 I have in my
    >> system.


    > Is that when using the DVI output, or the analog output? I really can't
    > imagine the output of two different DVI cards being all that different in
    > quality.



    You wouldn't think so, but the truth is (strangely enough) otherwise.
    Windows is not a dumb system where the OS tells the graphics card where to
    put each pixel and the graphics driver just sets the specified pixel to the
    specified color.

    DS
     
    David Schwartz, Dec 29, 2003
    #8
  9. RL

    Mike Smith Guest

    David Schwartz wrote:

    > "Mike Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>Carlo Razzeto wrote:

    >
    >
    >
    >>>My 2 cents. If I were you I would go with the P750, for the price you're
    >>>not
    >>>going to find a better value for 2D applications. I very much prefer
    >>>Matrox
    >>>graphics products for systems where 3D gaming is not a priority, the 2D
    >>>graphics quality is unbeatable. Kills the ATI Radeon 9000 I have in my
    >>>system.

    >
    >
    >>Is that when using the DVI output, or the analog output? I really can't
    >>imagine the output of two different DVI cards being all that different in
    >>quality.

    >
    > You wouldn't think so, but the truth is (strangely enough) otherwise.
    > Windows is not a dumb system where the OS tells the graphics card where to
    > put each pixel and the graphics driver just sets the specified pixel to the
    > specified color.


    I assumed that by "graphics quality" he meant display quality; i.e. the
    alignment and sharpness of the pixels on the LCD display. With a
    digital output, this should vary very little from card to card. Of
    course the *rendering* quality can vary, but even there, in a strictly
    2D environment, how much difference can there be?

    --
    Mike Smith
     
    Mike Smith, Dec 31, 2003
    #9
  10. "Mike Smith" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> You wouldn't think so, but the truth is (strangely enough) otherwise.
    >> Windows is not a dumb system where the OS tells the graphics card where
    >> to put each pixel and the graphics driver just sets the specified pixel
    >> to the specified color.


    > I assumed that by "graphics quality" he meant display quality; i.e. the
    > alignment and sharpness of the pixels on the LCD display.


    With a DVI interface, this should be precisely the same for every
    graphics card that supports your display's ideal graphics mode.

    > With a digital output, this should vary very little from card to card. Of
    > course the *rendering* quality can vary, but even there, in a strictly 2D
    > environment, how much difference can there be?



    If you don't believe me, ask anyone with a Parhelia card to turn off
    Matrox Glyph Antialiasing.

    DS
     
    David Schwartz, Dec 31, 2003
    #10
  11. RL

    RL Guest

    Cab I assume that all Dual DVI cards have dual TMDS transmitters. It is
    important that the choice I make is dual and symmetrical.


    "RL" <> wrote in message
    news:6d2Ib.153494$...
    > There certainly seems to be a wide price range in dual DVI cards. Each
    > manufacturer seems to have a consumer line and a pro line. Nvida based
    > cards have Quadro. Ati based cards have FireGL.
    >
    > It stands to reason that digital to digital should be the same on all

    cards
    > but yet.......I wonder. That is why I'm looking for input. The real
    > players are Nvidia, ATI, 3D Labs and Martox. I do not care about video

    out
    > or in. I do not care about ever needing analog. No one that I can find
    > makes a simple dual DVI. They all have RAMDACS which I understand to be

    the
    > difference in quality. I don't need no stinking RAMDAC. Could someone
    > step-up to the bar and set me straight.
    >
    > TIA
    >
    >
    > "Mike Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > RL wrote:
    > >
    > > > I post here because there seems to be a higher quality user. I need

    > advice
    > > > or recommendations on a good dual dvi video card. 2d/text quality and
    > > > symmetry is most important.

    > >
    > > I would think that, when using the DVI output, all cards look alike, or
    > > so similar that the differences are undetectable. This would not
    > > necessarily be the case with the analog output, though.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Mike Smith
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
     
    RL, Jan 6, 2004
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