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Upgrading RAM and/or Processor on a laptop?

Discussion in 'Laptops' started by The Fish, Sep 14, 2004.

  1. The Fish

    The Fish Guest

    Ok, my laptop is starting to show its age now. Its a couple of years
    old, and id like to update it. I have a TIME TRAVELLER 1800+, which
    has a 1.5GHz alathon mobile processor in it, and either 256 or 352mb
    of RAM (it says 256 on bootup, but 352 if i view System Information in
    "my computer". Why it does this, i dont know. Ill assume it has 256mb
    of RAM though.) Im using Windows XP as an operating system.

    Anyway, id like to put some more RAM in the damn thing. As much as
    possible really. I dont use it to play games, except Championship
    Manager, which is basically a glorified spreadsheet. (Its stopped
    running Championship manager, due to a constant "low virtual memory
    error" which even formatting the entire computer didnt solve, but, i
    digress) I do however use it to store a hell of a lot (ie, many
    gigabytes) of music files. And i download a lot of music, but other
    than that, its basically only internet browsing and managing my .mp3
    player that the computer gets used for.

    Aparrently, Laptops are a bit of a bugger to upgrade, arent they?
    Certainly more of a specialist job than a normal PC. Can anybody point
    me in the right direction though? Can anybody explain what DDR RAM is,
    and whether it is of any use to me? And can anybody tell me about
    processor upgrades too?

    I hope ive included all the details you need.
    beaucoup fish!
     
    The Fish, Sep 14, 2004
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  2. The Fish

    Andrew Guest

    In comp.sys.laptops The Fish <> wrote:
    : Ok, my laptop is starting to show its age now. Its a couple of years
    : old, and id like to update it. I have a TIME TRAVELLER 1800+, which
    : has a 1.5GHz alathon mobile processor in it, and either 256 or 352mb
    : of RAM (it says 256 on bootup, but 352 if i view System Information in
    : "my computer". Why it does this, i dont know. Ill assume it has 256mb
    : of RAM though.) Im using Windows XP as an operating system.

    : Anyway, id like to put some more RAM in the damn thing. As much as
    : possible really. I dont use it to play games, except Championship
    : Manager, which is basically a glorified spreadsheet. (Its stopped
    : running Championship manager, due to a constant "low virtual memory
    : error" which even formatting the entire computer didnt solve, but, i
    : digress) I do however use it to store a hell of a lot (ie, many
    : gigabytes) of music files. And i download a lot of music, but other
    : than that, its basically only internet browsing and managing my .mp3
    : player that the computer gets used for.

    : Aparrently, Laptops are a bit of a bugger to upgrade, arent they?
    : Certainly more of a specialist job than a normal PC. Can anybody point
    : me in the right direction though? Can anybody explain what DDR RAM is,
    : and whether it is of any use to me? And can anybody tell me about
    : processor upgrades too?

    My Toshiba Satellite 1415 is easier than my desktop to upgrade, at
    least the RAM. Pop out one screw on the bottom to get to the DRAM
    DIMM. Perhaps yours is just as easy? Does your laptop's users manual
    show you were upgrade stuff is, like my Toshiba's does?

    A memory upgrade will do you the most good. (FYI, if your laptop uses
    shared video RAM, it will eat some of your DRAM, so if you have 256MB
    of physical RAM and have video set to use 32MB, it would show as 224MB
    of system ram in Windows). Your CPU really isn't that slow - it's
    probably not worth upgrading, but I would upgrade to 512MB of RAM if
    you really have only 256MB in there - that would help.

    Open up the laptop, find the DRAM as discussed above, and see if
    there's an open slot. If not, you'll be faced with yanking out the
    smaller DIMM and replacing it with a larger one, instead of sharing.

    Andrew
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    Andrew, Sep 14, 2004
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  3. The Fish

    Spam Averse Guest

    The Fish wrote:

    > Aparrently, Laptops are a bit of a bugger to upgrade, arent they?
    > Certainly more of a specialist job than a normal PC. Can anybody point
    > me in the right direction though? Can anybody explain what DDR RAM is,
    > and whether it is of any use to me? And can anybody tell me about
    > processor upgrades too?


    Upgrading the memory and hard disk is easy, anything else is not.

    Regarding the RAM: no, you're already maxed out. Your machine only supports
    256MB of RAM. I'm guessing that Windows is showing you physical + virtual
    memory.

    You might consider replacing your hard disk. Get rid of that low-capacity
    4200RPM drive and replace it with a Hitachi TravelStar 7K60 (7200RPM, 60GB)
    drive. It really can perk up a notebook machine.

    Finally, it is possible that the CPU can be upgraded, but not likely.
    Certainly the vendor of your machine will not help you. You'll have to
    find out if the CPU is socketed, likely by actually opening the machine and
    visually inspecting the motherboard. If it is socketed, and if a higher
    speed processor is supported (higher clock multiplier either auto-sensed or
    via jumpers), then you can drop a faster CPU into the machine. Not much
    faster, though, because you will be generating more heat than the vendor
    anticipated having to exhaust from the box.

    Hope this helps.

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    Spam Averse, Sep 15, 2004
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  4. The Fish

    j647 Guest

    try www.crucial.com to get the right memory.
    "The Fish" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Ok, my laptop is starting to show its age now. Its a couple of years
    > old, and id like to update it. I have a TIME TRAVELLER 1800+, which
    > has a 1.5GHz alathon mobile processor in it, and either 256 or 352mb
    > of RAM (it says 256 on bootup, but 352 if i view System Information in
    > "my computer". Why it does this, i dont know. Ill assume it has 256mb
    > of RAM though.) Im using Windows XP as an operating system.
    >
    > Anyway, id like to put some more RAM in the damn thing. As much as
    > possible really. I dont use it to play games, except Championship
    > Manager, which is basically a glorified spreadsheet. (Its stopped
    > running Championship manager, due to a constant "low virtual memory
    > error" which even formatting the entire computer didnt solve, but, i
    > digress) I do however use it to store a hell of a lot (ie, many
    > gigabytes) of music files. And i download a lot of music, but other
    > than that, its basically only internet browsing and managing my .mp3
    > player that the computer gets used for.
    >
    > Aparrently, Laptops are a bit of a bugger to upgrade, arent they?
    > Certainly more of a specialist job than a normal PC. Can anybody point
    > me in the right direction though? Can anybody explain what DDR RAM is,
    > and whether it is of any use to me? And can anybody tell me about
    > processor upgrades too?
    >
    > I hope ive included all the details you need.
    > beaucoup fish!
     
    j647, Sep 15, 2004
    #4
  5. The CPU may well be easily upgraded, but with an off brand like that, it
    will be very hard to find someone who is familiar with the innards.
    Some IBM's can upgrade the CPU in less than 3 minutes!
    "The Fish" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Ok, my laptop is starting to show its age now. Its a couple of years
    > old, and id like to update it. I have a TIME TRAVELLER 1800+, which
    > has a 1.5GHz alathon mobile processor in it, and either 256 or 352mb
    > of RAM (it says 256 on bootup, but 352 if i view System Information in
    > "my computer". Why it does this, i dont know. Ill assume it has 256mb
    > of RAM though.) Im using Windows XP as an operating system.
    >
    > Anyway, id like to put some more RAM in the damn thing. As much as
    > possible really. I dont use it to play games, except Championship
    > Manager, which is basically a glorified spreadsheet. (Its stopped
    > running Championship manager, due to a constant "low virtual memory
    > error" which even formatting the entire computer didnt solve, but, i
    > digress) I do however use it to store a hell of a lot (ie, many
    > gigabytes) of music files. And i download a lot of music, but other
    > than that, its basically only internet browsing and managing my .mp3
    > player that the computer gets used for.
    >
    > Aparrently, Laptops are a bit of a bugger to upgrade, arent they?
    > Certainly more of a specialist job than a normal PC. Can anybody point
    > me in the right direction though? Can anybody explain what DDR RAM is,
    > and whether it is of any use to me? And can anybody tell me about
    > processor upgrades too?
    >
    > I hope ive included all the details you need.
    > beaucoup fish!
     
    Bruce Markowitz, Sep 15, 2004
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  6. The Fish

    agh Guest

    "Bruce Markowitz" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > The CPU may well be easily upgraded, but with an off brand like that, it
    > will be very hard to find someone who is familiar with the innards.
    > Some IBM's can upgrade the CPU in less than 3 minutes!


    I don't think "Time Travaller" is the name of the brand, just the name of
    that particular model series..
     
    agh, Sep 15, 2004
    #6
  7. The Fish

    agh Guest

    "Andrew" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In comp.sys.laptops The Fish > of system ram in Windows). Your CPU really

    isn't that slow - it's
    > probably not worth upgrading, but I would upgrade to 512MB of RAM if
    > you really have only 256MB in there - that would help.


    I agree. If he only uses it for Internet, music and Championship Manager, it
    would be a waste of money, even if he uses it for more demanding things..
     
    agh, Sep 15, 2004
    #7
  8. agh wrote:

    > I don't think "Time Travaller" is the name of the brand, just the
    > name of that particular model series..


    Right, the brand name is "Time Computers" http://www.timecomputers.com/,
    which certainly is just a rebadget noname unit.

    It might be possible to get the real model name and manufacturer by the FCC
    ID that's for sure printed on a sticker at the notebook somewhere. After
    entering the number in the FCC ID Search database at
    http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/Welcome.html it should come up with the
    manufacturer name and real model no. And with that it's for sure much easier
    to get informations or documentation...

    Benjamin
     
    Benjamin Gawert, Sep 15, 2004
    #8
  9. Spam Averse wrote:

    > Regarding the RAM: no, you're already maxed out. Your machine only
    > supports 256MB of RAM.


    I really doubt that any notebook with AMD Athlon CPU will be maxed out at
    only 256MB RAM...

    > I'm guessing that Windows is showing you
    > physical + virtual memory.


    Windows usually shows only physical RAM in "My Computer" -> Properties. More
    details can be found in the Windows System Information program...

    Benjamin
     
    Benjamin Gawert, Sep 15, 2004
    #9
  10. The Fish

    Good Man Guest

    (The Fish) wrote in
    news::

    > Ok, my laptop is starting to show its age now. Its a couple of years
    > old, and id like to update it. I have a TIME TRAVELLER 1800+, which
    > has a 1.5GHz alathon mobile processor in it, and either 256 or 352mb
    > of RAM


    > And i download a lot of music, but other
    > than that, its basically only internet browsing and managing my .mp3
    > player that the computer gets used for.



    Call me crazy, but I see no need at all to upgrade if those are your main
    uses. Faster processor and RAM will not affect those things at all, except
    maybe application start-up time. Unless you're encoding audio/video or
    playing games, why would you want to upgrade? What improvements are you
    looking for?
     
    Good Man, Sep 16, 2004
    #10
  11. The Fish

    Andrew Guest

    In comp.sys.laptops Good Man <> wrote:
    : Call me crazy, but I see no need at all to upgrade if those are your main
    : uses. Faster processor and RAM will not affect those things at all, except
    : maybe application start-up time. Unless you're encoding audio/video or
    : playing games, why would you want to upgrade? What improvements are you
    : looking for?

    If you have Windows XP, 256MB of RAM is a bare minimum especially with
    shared video RAM eating some of that. Bumping that up to 512MB of RAM
    might indeed show improved performance, though in this case someone
    else says this particular laptop can't handle more than 256MB. If you
    ever open more than one or two programs at a time, it's easy to eat up
    all your available RAM with only 256MB.

    Andrew
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    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
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    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
    Andrew, Sep 16, 2004
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  12. The Fish

    andrew Guest

    i had to upgrade my new hp laptop to 512 ddr as it only had 128 ddr
    before and now it runs nearenough every game i install now where as
    before it didnt with the 128 mb of ddr memory and i have xp home.
     
    andrew, Sep 17, 2004
    #12
  13. The Fish

    Justin A Guest

    I've just added 256MB of RAM to my Toshiba laptop. I run Dreamweaver
    and it was taking an age to enter and exit the Dreameaver window, for
    instance when I was previewing in IE. I bought the extra memory which
    takes me up to 512MB of RAM but unfortunately there is no difference
    at all in the laptop operating speed. Any thoughts on this?

    (The Fish) wrote in message news:<>...
    > Ok, my laptop is starting to show its age now. Its a couple of years
    > old, and id like to update it. I have a TIME TRAVELLER 1800+, which
    > has a 1.5GHz alathon mobile processor in it, and either 256 or 352mb
    > of RAM (it says 256 on bootup, but 352 if i view System Information in
    > "my computer". Why it does this, i dont know. Ill assume it has 256mb
    > of RAM though.) Im using Windows XP as an operating system.
    >
    > Anyway, id like to put some more RAM in the damn thing. As much as
    > possible really. I dont use it to play games, except Championship
    > Manager, which is basically a glorified spreadsheet. (Its stopped
    > running Championship manager, due to a constant "low virtual memory
    > error" which even formatting the entire computer didnt solve, but, i
    > digress) I do however use it to store a hell of a lot (ie, many
    > gigabytes) of music files. And i download a lot of music, but other
    > than that, its basically only internet browsing and managing my .mp3
    > player that the computer gets used for.
    >
    > Aparrently, Laptops are a bit of a bugger to upgrade, arent they?
    > Certainly more of a specialist job than a normal PC. Can anybody point
    > me in the right direction though? Can anybody explain what DDR RAM is,
    > and whether it is of any use to me? And can anybody tell me about
    > processor upgrades too?
    >
    > I hope ive included all the details you need.
    > beaucoup fish!
     
    Justin A, Sep 17, 2004
    #13
  14. The Fish

    Andrew Guest

    In comp.sys.laptops Justin A <> wrote:
    : I've just added 256MB of RAM to my Toshiba laptop. I run Dreamweaver
    : and it was taking an age to enter and exit the Dreameaver window, for
    : instance when I was previewing in IE. I bought the extra memory which
    : takes me up to 512MB of RAM but unfortunately there is no difference
    : at all in the laptop operating speed. Any thoughts on this?

    This sounds more like a case of a slow hard disk, common on laptops.
    I think you made the right choice going to 512MB, though - you will
    notice improvements at other times later on, trust me!

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
    Andrew, Sep 17, 2004
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  15. The Fish

    BrianM Guest

    On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:53:35 +1200, Andrew wrote:

    > In comp.sys.laptops Justin A <> wrote:
    > : I've just added 256MB of RAM to my Toshiba laptop. I run Dreamweaver
    > : and it was taking an age to enter and exit the Dreameaver window, for
    > : instance when I was previewing in IE. I bought the extra memory which
    > : takes me up to 512MB of RAM but unfortunately there is no difference
    > : at all in the laptop operating speed. Any thoughts on this?
    >
    > This sounds more like a case of a slow hard disk, common on laptops. I
    > think you made the right choice going to 512MB, though - you will notice
    > improvements at other times later on, trust me!
    >
    > Andrew
    > --
    > ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    > *******************************************************************
    > ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info ---->
    > To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    > *******************************************************************

    Hi Andrew, I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300 - I was thinking about
    adding more RAM but I believe the CPU can't be upgraded on this model,
    so would it be feasable to instead replace the motherboard with a later
    model and faster processor and then increase the RAM on the new job ?
    What do you think.

    cheers
    Brian
     
    BrianM, Sep 18, 2004
    #15
  16. The Fish

    Andrew Guest

    In comp.sys.laptops BrianM <> wrote:
    : Hi Andrew, I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300 - I was thinking about
    : adding more RAM but I believe the CPU can't be upgraded on this model,
    : so would it be feasable to instead replace the motherboard with a later
    : model and faster processor and then increase the RAM on the new job ?
    : What do you think.

    Found this link of specs for your laptop:

    http://www.toshiba-europe.com/computers/products/notebooks/satellitepro4300/products.htm

    How fast is your CPU? What is slow now that you want to be faster?

    Seems that you could upgrade the RAM to 320MB. You might even be able
    to upgrade to a Pentium 3 700MHZ (or higher) if the CPU is not
    soldered into the motherboard.

    Laptop motherboards typically are not standard like desktop
    motherboards - do you have any indication that you could even get a
    new motherboard for this machine? It's possible, but I doubt it.

    You have to do a cost-benefit analysis and see how much it's worth
    spending on this old laptop. I would probably upgrade the RAM to
    320MB after you find out how much it would cost. It seems that you
    could also get Windows 2000 for this laptop and that would be a much
    more stable option than Win 98 if that's what you now have. Windows
    XP might work also, if there are drivers for all the hardware. You
    might also consider a faster/bigger hard disk.

    Andrew
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    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
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    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
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    Andrew, Sep 18, 2004
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  17. The Fish

    BrianM Guest

    On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:48:29 +1200, Andrew wrote:

    > In comp.sys.laptops BrianM <> wrote:
    > : Hi Andrew, I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300 - I was thinking about
    > : adding more RAM but I believe the CPU can't be upgraded on this model,
    > : so would it be feasable to instead replace the motherboard with a
    > : later model and faster processor and then increase the RAM on the new
    > : job ? What do you think.
    >
    > Found this link of specs for your laptop:
    >
    > http://www.toshiba-europe.com/computers/products/notebooks/satellitepro4300/products.htm
    >
    > How fast is your CPU? What is slow now that you want to be faster?


    Pentium III 650 on your list. - I also have a Celeron 2.4 desktop.

    > Seems that you could upgrade the RAM to 320MB. You might even be able
    > to upgrade to a Pentium 3 700MHZ (or higher) if the CPU is not soldered
    > into the motherboard


    Unfortunately it is otherwise it would have been a simple swappa chip. I
    think 700 was the CPU max for this model, hence my idea of a new
    m/board.

    > Laptop motherboards typically are not standard like desktop motherboards
    > - do you have any indication that you could even get a new motherboard
    > for this machine? It's possible, but I doubt it.


    I don't have any information yet on a replacement motherboard. I'll be
    ringing around the suppliers next week. T

    > You have to do a cost-benefit analysis and see how much it's worth
    > spending on this old laptop. I would probably upgrade the RAM to 320MB
    > after you find out how much it would cost. It seems that you could also
    > get Windows 2000 for this laptop and that would be a much more stable
    > option than Win 98 if that's what you now have. Windows XP might work
    > also, if there are drivers for all the hardware. You might also
    > consider a faster/bigger hard disk.


    that sounds like sensible otion. I'm dualbooting Win98SE with Mandrake 10. Extra RAM
    for this model is not cheap but still reasonable and that's what I'll probably do -
    go out to the max and look at upgrading to a faster HDD. I could recompile the Linux
    kernel and crank some more speed perhaps but in
    the end I wouldn't want to spend any more on this machine as new laptop prices
    appear to be coming down steadily.

    thanks for your advice Andrew

    Brian
    Canterbury NZ
     
    BrianM, Sep 18, 2004
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