Very Old Packard Bell Computer

Discussion in 'Packard Bell' started by enigma1, Nov 2, 2004.

  1. enigma1

    enigma1 Guest

    Hi...

    I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    step at a time.

    Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    for the info

    James
    enigma1, Nov 2, 2004
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  2. enigma1

    Elector Guest

    "enigma1" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi...
    >
    > I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    > very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    > PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    > to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    > computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    > step at a time.
    >
    > Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    > on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    > LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    > has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    > for the info
    >
    > James
    >


    On the back of the unit you will see metal slats that cover the expansion
    slots which is situated on the Main Motherboard. The slot is white in nature
    and its called a PCI slot which is on the Riser Card. There should be other
    devices connected you will see white & black slots for expansion on the
    Riser card.

    The connector is located in the middle of the MB and is in front/side of the
    metal oxide battery. (Depending how you look at the motherboard)

    Elector
    Elector, Nov 2, 2004
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    enigma1 Guest

    Re: Very Old Packard Bell Computer - PB640.gif (0/1)

    On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:34:28 GMT, "Elector" <>
    wrote:

    >
    >"enigma1" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> Hi...
    >>
    >> I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    >> very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    >> PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    >> to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    >> computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    >> step at a time.
    >>
    >> Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    >> on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    >> LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    >> has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    >> for the info
    >>
    >> James
    >>

    >
    >On the back of the unit you will see metal slats that cover the expansion
    >slots which is situated on the Main Motherboard. The slot is white in nature
    >and its called a PCI slot which is on the Riser Card. There should be other
    >devices connected you will see white & black slots for expansion on the
    >Riser card.
    >
    >The connector is located in the middle of the MB and is in front/side of the
    >metal oxide battery. (Depending how you look at the motherboard)
    >
    >Elector
    >

    hi Elector...

    don't think this machine HAS pci slots....its that old :) I am
    attaching a gif of the MB - I can't see ANYWHERE for expansion. Yes,
    if I was THERE the first place I'd look would be at the blanking
    plates on the back, because yes, whatever goes into the machine has
    logically gotta poke out the back. But peering at a MB via a web cam
    is difficult :))

    James
    enigma1, Nov 2, 2004
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  4. enigma1

    enigma1 Guest

    On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0000, enigma1 <>
    wrote:

    >Hi...
    >
    >I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    >very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    >PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    >to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    >computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    >step at a time.
    >
    >Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    >on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    >LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    >has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    >for the info
    >
    >James

    hi Elector...

    don't think this machine HAS pci slots....its that old :) I am
    attaching a gif of the MB - I can't see ANYWHERE for expansion. Yes,
    if I was THERE the first place I'd look would be at the blanking
    plates on the back, because yes, whatever goes into the machine has
    logically gotta poke out the back. But peering at a MB via a web cam
    is difficult :))

    James
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    enigma1, Nov 2, 2004
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  5. enigma1

    enigma1 Guest

    On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0000, enigma1 <>
    wrote:

    >Hi...
    >
    >I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    >very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    >PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    >to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    >computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    >step at a time.
    >
    >Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    >on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    >LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    >has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    >for the info
    >
    >James



    well THAT was a right disaster <lol> Can't get the attachment
    attached - so here's a link to it

    http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/8774/mother/PB640.gif


    James
    enigma1, Nov 2, 2004
    #5
  6. enigma1

    Ben Myers Guest

    Now that you've provided the URL to the board layout, I can assure you that the
    original PB Legend had some PCI slots somewhere. If the chassis is a desktop
    chassis, a riser card comes up from the center of the motherboard. If the
    chassis is a large tower, the "riser" card sits above the motherboard, parallel
    to it. Either way, the original had some PCI slots, 2, 3, or 4.

    I'm assuming you have a PCI network card there. If not, the PB Legend had some
    ISA bus slots, too. And an ISA network card installs into an ISA slot. Make
    sure you have the drivers for the network card, drivers which are designed to
    run under whatever Windows version (95? 98?) is on the computer. You will also
    need a Windows CD to install the other network software, the Windows client,
    File and Printer Sharing, and TCP/IP.

    The PCI slots are white or beige and short. The ISA slots are long and black...
    Ben Myers

    On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:30:32 +0000, enigma1 <> wrote:

    >On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0000, enigma1 <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Hi...
    >>
    >>I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    >>very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    >>PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    >>to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    >>computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    >>step at a time.
    >>
    >>Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    >>on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    >>LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    >>has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    >>for the info
    >>
    >>James

    >
    >
    >well THAT was a right disaster <lol> Can't get the attachment
    >attached - so here's a link to it
    >
    >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/8774/mother/PB640.gif
    >
    >
    >James
    Ben Myers, Nov 2, 2004
    #6
  7. enigma1

    Elector Guest

    "enigma1" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0000, enigma1 <>
    > wrote:

    <snip>
    > well THAT was a right disaster <lol> Can't get the attachment
    > attached - so here's a link to it
    >
    > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/8774/mother/PB640.gif
    >
    >
    > James


    Ha ha yep the other gif showed up and it looks like the one I have on
    Velix's CD of systems. But as Ben and I have previously pointed out
    the system originally had a riser card with those slots. Maybe the
    riser card is missing?

    In any case Ben gave you the correct answer. Also on installs of NIC
    cards etc. you are best to run the set up utility disk FIRST so as to
    have the proper system resources available on card install.

    If you have a USB which I see from the diagram you don't you could
    have went with the USB Nic.

    Sorry I could not help further.

    Elector
    Elector, Nov 3, 2004
    #7
  8. enigma1

    Ben Myers Guest

    Elector,

    3COM and Intel provide setup utilities AND diagnostics for their PCI NICs.
    Other brands like D-Link, Netgear, etc. have no diagnostcis whatsoever, and rely
    on the combination of OS PnP and motherboard BIOS PnP for the card to install
    OK. The early combinations of Win 95/98 and older mobo PnP make this a risky
    proposition, sometimes succeeding and sometimes not. (In the rare case where I
    have to sell someone a NIC, I use only 3COM and Intel cards, pulled from older
    systems.)

    FYI, a USB NIC on a really old Pentium-class computer is a recipe for disaster.
    The USB port on this motherboard meets the original USB 1.0 spec, which often
    did not work at all. ANY USB at all on a USB 1.0 computer us a recipe for
    disaster... Ben Myers

    On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:31:55 GMT, "Elector" <> wrote:

    >
    >"enigma1" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0000, enigma1 <>
    >> wrote:

    ><snip>
    >> well THAT was a right disaster <lol> Can't get the attachment
    >> attached - so here's a link to it
    >>
    >> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/8774/mother/PB640.gif
    >>
    >>
    >> James

    >
    >Ha ha yep the other gif showed up and it looks like the one I have on
    >Velix's CD of systems. But as Ben and I have previously pointed out
    >the system originally had a riser card with those slots. Maybe the
    >riser card is missing?
    >
    >In any case Ben gave you the correct answer. Also on installs of NIC
    >cards etc. you are best to run the set up utility disk FIRST so as to
    >have the proper system resources available on card install.
    >
    >If you have a USB which I see from the diagram you don't you could
    >have went with the USB Nic.
    >
    >Sorry I could not help further.
    >
    >Elector
    >
    >
    Ben Myers, Nov 3, 2004
    #8
  9. enigma1

    Elector Guest

    <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Elector,
    >
    > 3COM and Intel provide setup utilities AND diagnostics for their PCI NICs.
    > Other brands like D-Link, Netgear, etc. have no diagnostcis whatsoever,
    > and rely
    > on the combination of OS PnP and motherboard BIOS PnP for the card to
    > install
    > OK. The early combinations of Win 95/98 and older mobo PnP make this a
    > risky
    > proposition, sometimes succeeding and sometimes not. (In the rare case
    > where I
    > have to sell someone a NIC, I use only 3COM and Intel cards, pulled from
    > older
    > systems.)
    >
    > FYI, a USB NIC on a really old Pentium-class computer is a recipe for
    > disaster.
    > The USB port on this motherboard meets the original USB 1.0 spec, which
    > often
    > did not work at all. ANY USB at all on a USB 1.0 computer us a recipe for
    > disaster... Ben Myers
    >



    That advice about the USB is correct. I was looking at the mother board
    diagram and I did not see a USB (1.1 or 2.0) so I don't think that will
    matter. Also your right on the money with the 3COM Nics I use them all the
    time because of the set up software utility which makes the install quite
    easy.

    Elector
    Elector, Nov 3, 2004
    #9
  10. enigma1

    enigma1 Guest

    On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0000, enigma1 <>
    wrote:

    >Hi...
    >
    >I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    >very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    >PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    >to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    >computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    >step at a time.
    >
    >Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    >on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    >LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    >has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    >for the info
    >
    >James



    All noted, folks........gonna try again tonight (working at 5000
    miles and 6 hours time diff <g>). I'll keep ya posted. Just one
    small point - I posted over to my friend a selection of network cards
    (I never throw ANYTHING out <g>) and there is a 3Com in there among
    them. Now, anytime I have fitted a network card to a computer running
    ANYTHING above windows95, I have never needed any kind of
    drivers/setup utilities/wotever - its all just worked. Windows
    recognised a card had been fitted etc etc. Now you lot got me worried
    <g>

    James
    enigma1, Nov 3, 2004
    #10
  11. enigma1

    Ben Myers Guest

    If the model of the network card is recognized by the presently installed
    version of Windows (manufacturer's INF file somewhere on hard disk), AND the
    drivers are somewhere on the hard drive, AND the rest of the important Windows
    software (Client Mgr, File/Printer sharing, TCP/IP), the an added NIC will
    install without a complaint by Windows. So it's a good idea to use a name-brand
    NIC unless (and even if) you have an off-brand and the off-brand's installation
    CD. (Sorry D-Link and Netgear. I consider you to be off-brands.)

    Many name-brand vendors copy the Windows CD contents to the hard drive, and
    effectively run the setup/install from the hard drive rather than from CD. Good
    news & bad news. The good news is that you don't have to put a Windows CD in
    the CD-ROM drive every time the system passes gas. The bad news comes when you
    need a WIndows CD and you do not have one. Windows NT 4.0, 2000 Pro, XP Home,
    and XP Pro all copy the contents of the CD to the hard drive during the install
    process, making hardware upgrades, changes, and reconfiguration a lot easier.

    Windows 95 has the most lame software/hardware update/installation procedures of
    all. The best thing to be said about Windows 95 is that it managed to work
    somehow... Ben Myers

    On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:06:53 +0000, enigma1 <> wrote:

    >On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0000, enigma1 <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Hi...
    >>
    >>I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    >>very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    >>PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    >>to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    >>computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    >>step at a time.
    >>
    >>Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    >>on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    >>LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    >>has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    >>for the info
    >>
    >>James

    >
    >
    >All noted, folks........gonna try again tonight (working at 5000
    >miles and 6 hours time diff <g>). I'll keep ya posted. Just one
    >small point - I posted over to my friend a selection of network cards
    >(I never throw ANYTHING out <g>) and there is a 3Com in there among
    >them. Now, anytime I have fitted a network card to a computer running
    >ANYTHING above windows95, I have never needed any kind of
    >drivers/setup utilities/wotever - its all just worked. Windows
    >recognised a card had been fitted etc etc. Now you lot got me worried
    ><g>
    >
    >James
    Ben Myers, Nov 3, 2004
    #11
  12. enigma1

    Anthony Guest

    "enigma1" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi...
    >
    > I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    > very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    > PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    > to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    > computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    > step at a time.
    >
    > Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    > on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    > LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    > has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    > for the info
    >
    > James
    >


    James,

    How about a different approach....

    Remove the hard drive from the PB computer and install it temporaily in the
    new computer. Either leave set to a master CD and install it as a Master
    drive on the 2nd IDE chain, or change it to slave and install it on the
    primary IDE chain.

    Just a simplier way that trying to transfer using a NOC and file sharing.

    Good luck
    Anthony
    Anthony, Nov 11, 2004
    #12
  13. enigma1

    enigma1 Guest

    On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:45:38 GMT, "Anthony" <>
    wrote:

    >
    >"enigma1" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> Hi...
    >>
    >> I am currently trying to help a friend install a network card in a
    >> very old Packard Bell Legend 5385z computer. The motherboard is a
    >> PB640. This friend has at long last bought a new computer, but wants
    >> to transfer stuff off the old onto the new. Now my friend is not
    >> computerly adept, so I am having to talk this subject along one little
    >> step at a time.
    >>
    >> Thats the background. Now the specifics. I have been unable to find
    >> on the net ANY help with this machine - and I need help for the most
    >> LUDICROUS thing - we can't find the expansion slots!! So if anyone
    >> has any idea how and WHERE to fit a network card, I'd be most grateful
    >> for the info
    >>
    >> James
    >>

    >
    >James,
    >
    >How about a different approach....
    >
    >Remove the hard drive from the PB computer and install it temporaily in the
    >new computer. Either leave set to a master CD and install it as a Master
    >drive on the 2nd IDE chain, or change it to slave and install it on the
    >primary IDE chain.
    >
    >Just a simplier way that trying to transfer using a NOC and file sharing.
    >
    >Good luck
    >Anthony
    >

    thanks for that Anthony..........that one is under active
    consideration too. But it would have been nice to network the two
    and thus leave my friend with a capable backup/storage thing.

    James
    enigma1, Nov 12, 2004
    #13
  14. enigma1

    TFirman Guest

    transferred files from my old packard bell using the serial ports for
    networking.

    Terry
    TFirman, Nov 12, 2004
    #14
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