Tualatin on P2B Benchmarks?

I have a fair amount of information on my P2B modification website about
hardware modifications for running dual and single Tualatin processors
on Asus P2B series motherboards, but nothing about the performance of
these systems.

I am considering taking some time over the holidays to collect and post
benchmark information, but I'd appreciate some input on what approach to
take to ensure the results are useful to the potential audience.

It seems to me others might find comparisons to processors they are
currently running on their P2Bs interesting, but unfortunately I don't
have any Coppermine P3s on hand - just a pair of Katmai P3 450s (which
are stable up to 4.5 x 133, 600Mhz).

I do have a pair of multiplier-unlocked P3-S processors, which I think
will prove useful for demonstrating the effect of increasing FSB vs.
increasing CPU clock on a board restricted to running SDRAM.

I'm tempted to use Sisoft Sandra for benchmarking because it's free and
includes a database of reference benchmarks for processors I don't have
available - but are better freeware benchmarks available?

If you are interested in Tualatin on P2B performance data, please post
your suggestions for test scenarios and measurement tools.

TIA

P2B

http://tipperlinne.com/p2bmod

P2B schrieb:
>
> I have a fair amount of information on my P2B modification website about
> hardware modifications for running dual and single Tualatin processors
> on Asus P2B series motherboards, but nothing about the performance of
> these systems.
>
> I am considering taking some time over the holidays to collect and post
> benchmark information, but I'd appreciate some input on what approach to
> take to ensure the results are useful to the potential audience.
>
> It seems to me others might find comparisons to processors they are
> currently running on their P2Bs interesting, but unfortunately I don't
> have any Coppermine P3s on hand - just a pair of Katmai P3 450s (which
> are stable up to 4.5 x 133, 600Mhz).

I could offer two Cel-300A on a P2B-D and a PIII-800EB on a P3B-F for
comparison. NT 5.x.

> I do have a pair of multiplier-unlocked P3-S processors, which I think
> will prove useful for demonstrating the effect of increasing FSB vs.
> increasing CPU clock on a board restricted to running SDRAM.
>
> I'm tempted to use Sisoft Sandra for benchmarking because it's free and
> includes a database of reference benchmarks for processors I don't have
> available - but are better freeware benchmarks available?

Sandra has one particular drawback: Its benchmarks are 100% synthetic.
The only ones I've found to be of real use/significance are the memory
related benchmarks with buffering turned OFF.

My standard applications benchmark is the Mozilla 1.5 launching time
(with a single empty browser window - when launched from disk for the
first time, this depends on the hard disk, file system, memory and CPU
performance; this can be reduced to just memory and CPU by closing the
lizard again and measuring the time needed for a restart from the disk
cache. Some times measured here:

Machine 1st launch/s restart/s

P2B-D, 2xCel300A, 512 MiB, Cheetah 36ES 8.3 5.25
18 gig on Advance 2941U2W, NT 5.2

(Same with P2L97-DS, 448 MiB used 2 b 13 7 !!!)

P3B-F, PIII-800EB, 384 MiB, 'Cuda ATA n.m. ~2.1-2.2
20 gig on Ultra66, NT 5.0

Dell Lat. CPt C400GT w/ iBX, mCel-400, n.m. 4.5
256 MiB, Travelstar 40GNX 20 gig on PIIX4E,
NT 5.0

With the lizard running, one may find rendering a local copy of a rather
"heavy" web page a decent benchmark - say, this one I visit rather
frequently: <http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm>. (This one may
depend on the font and font size chosen, though. I'd recommend measuring
the time for going back to the end of the large page. That's about 14.5
seconds on the Dual Celery, according to my stopwatch. 18px Verdana.)

Stephan (and merry xmas to y'all!
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:22:33 -0500, P2B <> wrote:

>I'm tempted to use Sisoft Sandra for benchmarking because it's free and
>includes a database of reference benchmarks for processors I don't have
>available - but are better freeware benchmarks available?

IMHO OK, but you can include ZD inc. CPUmark scores too ...

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Stephan Grossklass wrote:
> P2B schrieb:
>
>>I have a fair amount of information on my P2B modification website about
>>hardware modifications for running dual and single Tualatin processors
>>on Asus P2B series motherboards, but nothing about the performance of
>>these systems.
>>
>>I am considering taking some time over the holidays to collect and post
>>benchmark information, but I'd appreciate some input on what approach to
>>take to ensure the results are useful to the potential audience.
>>
>>It seems to me others might find comparisons to processors they are
>>currently running on their P2Bs interesting, but unfortunately I don't
>>have any Coppermine P3s on hand - just a pair of Katmai P3 450s (which
>>are stable up to 4.5 x 133, 600Mhz).
>
>
> I could offer two Cel-300A on a P2B-D and a PIII-800EB on a P3B-F for
> comparison. NT 5.x.

Thanks Stephan :-)

>>I do have a pair of multiplier-unlocked P3-S processors, which I think
>>will prove useful for demonstrating the effect of increasing FSB vs.
>>increasing CPU clock on a board restricted to running SDRAM.
>>
>>I'm tempted to use Sisoft Sandra for benchmarking because it's free and
>>includes a database of reference benchmarks for processors I don't have
>>available - but are better freeware benchmarks available?
>
>
> Sandra has one particular drawback: Its benchmarks are 100% synthetic.
> The only ones I've found to be of real use/significance are the memory
> related benchmarks with buffering turned OFF.
>
> My standard applications benchmark is the Mozilla 1.5 launching time
> (with a single empty browser window - when launched from disk for the
> first time, this depends on the hard disk, file system, memory and CPU
> performance; this can be reduced to just memory and CPU by closing the
> lizard again and measuring the time needed for a restart from the disk
> cache. Some times measured here:

That's along the lines of what I had in mind - measurements that depend
on memory and CPU performance only, with minimal influence from disk or
video, and relevant to real-world performance.

However, I would prefer a benchmark that doesn't require use of a
stopwatch with it's limited granularity and potential for human error -
besides which I don't own one.

Any suggestions for a benchmark that meets the above criteria but has
the computer taking the measurements?

> Machine 1st launch/s restart/s
>
> P2B-D, 2xCel300A, 512 MiB, Cheetah 36ES 8.3 5.25
> 18 gig on Advance 2941U2W, NT 5.2
>
> (Same with P2L97-DS, 448 MiB used 2 b 13 7 !!!)
>
> P3B-F, PIII-800EB, 384 MiB, 'Cuda ATA n.m. ~2.1-2.2
> 20 gig on Ultra66, NT 5.0
>
> Dell Lat. CPt C400GT w/ iBX, mCel-400, n.m. 4.5
> 256 MiB, Travelstar 40GNX 20 gig on PIIX4E,
> NT 5.0
>
> With the lizard running, one may find rendering a local copy of a rather
> "heavy" web page a decent benchmark - say, this one I visit rather
> frequently: <http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm>. (This one may
> depend on the font and font size chosen, though. I'd recommend measuring
> the time for going back to the end of the large page. That's about 14.5
> seconds on the Dual Celery, according to my stopwatch. 18px Verdana.)
>
> Stephan (and merry xmas to y'all!

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> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:22:33 -0500, P2B <> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm tempted to use Sisoft Sandra for benchmarking because it's free and
>>includes a database of reference benchmarks for processors I don't have
>>available - but are better freeware benchmarks available?
>
>
> IMHO OK, but you can include ZD inc. CPUmark scores too ...

CPUmark does not seem to be available for download at zdnet.com

PCMark2002 is equivalent, maybe?

> -- Regards, MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR, SPAJKY ®
> & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com
> Celly-III OC-ed,"Tualatin on BX-Slot1-MoBo!"
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:12:20 -0500, P2B <> wrote:

>CPUmark does not seem to be available for download at zdnet.com
>
>PCMark2002 is equivalent, maybe?

I don´t know, but I have CPUmark´99 ; I can UL it somewhere & put a
link here (with also my result on my MoBo for comparision; but I do
not know if that proggy supports also SMP bench ...

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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:25:54 +0100, Spajky® <Spajky##@volja.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:12:20 -0500, P2B <> wrote:
>
>>CPUmark does not seem to be available for download at zdnet.com

found it here:
http://appro.mit.jyu.fi/2001/syksy/l...o6/cpumk99.exe

>>PCMark2002 is equivalent, maybe?

maybe yes,here:
http://www.futuremark.com/products/pcmark2002/


my result on my MoBo for comparision:
CPUmark99 v.1.0
114 marks (see Cpu down in sig.)

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> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:25:54 +0100, Spajky® <Spajky##@volja.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:12:20 -0500, P2B <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>CPUmark does not seem to be available for download at zdnet.com
>
>
> found it here:
> http://appro.mit.jyu.fi/2001/syksy/l...o6/cpumk99.exe

Thanks. I tried it, but it only uses one CPU - score is 131 for
P3-S@1.4Ghz on a P2B-DS.

>>>PCMark2002 is equivalent, maybe?
>
>
> maybe yes,here:
> http://www.futuremark.com/products/pcmark2002/

Got it from zdnet, will try it later....

> my result on my MoBo for comparision:
> CPUmark99 v.1.0
> 114 marks (see Cpu down in sig.)
>
> -- Regards, MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR, SPAJKY ®
> & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com
> Celly-III OC-ed,"Tualatin on BX-Slot1-MoBo!"
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I have now run a bunch of Tualatin on P2B benchmarks and posted the results:

http://tipperlinne.com/benchmark

Also linked from the main page:

http://tipperlinne.com/p2bmod

(I had a battle with the javascript, but the graphs display properly at
1024x768 in Mozilla and IE here - YMMV)

I've made no attempt to interpret the results, but IMHO the numbers do a
reasonably good job of representing the subjective performance
improvement experienced when a P2-B series board is upgraded to Tualatin
processor(s).

Suggestions and feedback would be most welcome.

P2B

P2B wrote:

> I have a fair amount of information on my P2B modification website about
> hardware modifications for running dual and single Tualatin processors
> on Asus P2B series motherboards, but nothing about the performance of
> these systems.
>
> I am considering taking some time over the holidays to collect and post
> benchmark information, but I'd appreciate some input on what approach to
> take to ensure the results are useful to the potential audience.
>
> It seems to me others might find comparisons to processors they are
> currently running on their P2Bs interesting, but unfortunately I don't
> have any Coppermine P3s on hand - just a pair of Katmai P3 450s (which
> are stable up to 4.5 x 133, 600Mhz).
>
> I do have a pair of multiplier-unlocked P3-S processors, which I think
> will prove useful for demonstrating the effect of increasing FSB vs.
> increasing CPU clock on a board restricted to running SDRAM.
>
> I'm tempted to use Sisoft Sandra for benchmarking because it's free and
> includes a database of reference benchmarks for processors I don't have
> available - but are better freeware benchmarks available?
>
> If you are interested in Tualatin on P2B performance data, please post
> your suggestions for test scenarios and measurement tools.
>
> TIA
>
> P2B
>
> http://tipperlinne.com/p2bmod
>