Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.

Ato_Zee wrote:

>> And some [laptops] dont show the user anything boot option wise if the hard
>> drive is missing or unrecognised because its a drive out of a different laptop.

> So if the HD dies, it's no boot, and no access to any
> recovery partition, the laptop becomes an expensive brick?

Nope, you just put in a replacement drive with the recovery partition on it.

And thats completely trivial to do if you did a full image of the physical drive before
it died. You just put that back on the replacement drive in a desktop system etc.

Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.

> Ever tried to get mfr. service for a laptop that is
> a few years old and (often just) out of warranty?

Yep.

> Even getting batteries is a pain in the arse, all you can find are generics,

Wrong. I've done that repeatedly.

> often of suspect quality. Forget it.

No need if its a decent brand of laptop that got a lot of battery
support and which uses the same battery in a lot of its models.

Just did it with a Compaq.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:46:51 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
Message id: <>:

>Trent wrote
>> Fred <> wrote
>
>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is completely dead
>
>> Not always true.
>
>Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.

Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion. If #reset is
being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.

Trent wrote
> Fred <> wrote
>> Trent wrote
>>> Fred <> wrote

>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is completely dead

>>> Not always true.

>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.

> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.

More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.

> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.

Wrong, as always.

If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.

Hello,

Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.

LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
- I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
which is normally in that PC.

ON THE LAPTOP:
- The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
using Pentium 4.
- The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
freezes on 3rd fail.
- There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
- I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
- While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
replace and strike any key". This is strange, because it doesn't
attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
- And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.

Any ideas?
Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
the last solution.

Thanks, again...


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
Date: Jul 17, 8:50*pm
Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc


Arno wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Arno wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.****off>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>> in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:

>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>> completely dead

>>>> Not always true.

>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
>>> die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
>>> reset.

>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.

> ... which I have suggested some postings before

No you didnt until much later.

> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.

He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -

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XYLOPHONE wrote

> Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.

> LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
> - I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the
> power on. Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations

Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.

If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
problem with the adapter powering the drive.

> (My ears are good, can make difference between music on vinyl and CD).

That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very quiet sounds.

> Furthermore, the desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive.

Thats because it never spins up.

> I borrow the cable end from the HD which is normally in that PC.

> ON THE LAPTOP:
> - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
> using Pentium 4.

That can set an ATA password in the drive.
The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.

That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the laptop.

> - The key sequence is CTRL-F10

F10 actually.

> (I think, because I quickly press many keys), and when the BIOS
> is supposed to arrive, a small blue box appears asking for a
> password. It gives 3 chances and everything freezes on 3rd fail.

> - There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
> In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
> drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
> and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
> tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.

It may not be set to boot either.

> - I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
> POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.

> - While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
> happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
> replace and strike any key".

Nothing strange about that.

> This is strange, because it doesn't attempt to boot from anything (afaik)

It clearly does and that is why you get that
message when there is no hard drive present.

> but the message is exactly the one of the boot
> sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk.

Its the classic bios error message with no hard
drive present and nothing else to boot from.

> In reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message.

What ?

> Or it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash memory.

Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.

> Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still same message.

Because there is nothing it can boot from.

> If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
> but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.

It may not have them in the boot list.

> - And if I put the original XP HD it boots to
> that password no matter boot option chosen,

Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
do anything until you enter the correct password.

> and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
> cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.

> Any ideas?
> Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
> jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
> the last solution.

http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/.../c01134170.pdf
Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...eriesId=316692
has all the manuals.

> From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
> Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
> Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
> To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
>
>
> Arno wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Arno wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.****off>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>> in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>> completely dead
>
>>>>> Not always true.
>
>>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
>>>> die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
>>>> reset.
>
>>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
>>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.
>
>> ... which I have suggested some postings before
>
> No you didnt until much later.
>
>> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.
>
> He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc XYLOPHONE <> wrote:
> Hello,

> Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.

> LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
> - I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
> Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
> make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
> desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
> which is normally in that PC.

Hmm. It seems very likely the disk does not get power. Maybe your
adapter is broken.


> ON THE LAPTOP:
> - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
> using Pentium 4.
> - The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
> keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
> appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
> freezes on 3rd fail.

That may be a BIOS setup password.

> - There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
> In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
> drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
> and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
> tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.

Likely correct.

> - I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
> POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.

Likely not it the BOOT sequence in the BIOS setup.

> - While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
> happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
> replace and strike any key".

That is the standard message, if none of the configured boot
devices are detected. It your case it looks as if the machine
is set to only boot from HDD. Generally this does not allow
diagnostics in case of problems, as you are finding out. The
typical fix is to go into the BIOS setup (which does not
require the HDD or anything, just possibly the BIOS setup
password) and configure an additionsl boot device.

> This is strange, because it doesn't
> attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
> one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
> reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
> it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
> memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
> same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
> but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.

Not strange, but likely nothing but the HDD is configured to be
bootable.

> - And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
> boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
> cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.

> Any ideas?

You could try to copy the XP installation to a different disk
in order to determine whether the laptop BIOS is expecting
this particular disk or just the system on it.

> Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
> jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
> the last solution.

> Thanks, again...

Here are some references that may describe your issue:

http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/...readId=1056906

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0220803AAJzJNM

http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/.../c01134170.pdf

It seems this thing can be locked and that others went the way
of disconnecting the CMOS battery. The third link is the
"Maintenance and Service guide", that seems to be what
you are looking for, see Section 5.17.

Arno




> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
> Date: Jul 17, 8:50?pm
> Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
> To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc


> Arno wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Arno wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.****off>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>> in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:

>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>> completely dead

>>>>> Not always true.

>>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
>>>> die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
>>>> reset.

>>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
>>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.

>> ... which I have suggested some postings before

> No you didnt until much later.

>> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.

> He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
Message id: <>:

>Trent wrote
>> Fred <> wrote
>>> Trent wrote
>>>> Fred <> wrote
>
>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is completely dead
>
>>>> Not always true.
>
>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>
>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>
>More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.

Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
assertion, dick-less.

>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.
>
>Wrong, as always.

Nope. Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND and power up the
motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.

>If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.

Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of
Stupidity. If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or
not. No one can say, you numb, flatulent ****.

Trent wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
> Message id: <>:
>
>> Trent wrote
>>> Fred <> wrote
>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>> Fred <> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>> completely dead
>>
>>>>> Not always true.
>>
>>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>>
>>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>>
>> More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
>
> Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
> assertion, dick-less.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

>>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the
>>> drive will not spin up.
>>
>> Wrong, as always.

> Nope.

Yep.

> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND

That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.

Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.

> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of Stupidity.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not. No one can say,

Wrong, as always.

> you numb, flatulent ****.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, ****wit child.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:14 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
Message id: <>:

>Trent wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
>> Message id: <>:
>>
>>> Trent wrote
>>>> Fred <> wrote
>>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>>> Fred <> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>>> completely dead
>>>
>>>>>> Not always true.
>>>
>>>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>>>
>>>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>>>
>>> More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
>>
>> Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
>> assertion, dick-less.
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?

>>>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the
>>>> drive will not spin up.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Nope.
>
>Yep.

Absolutely, positively, not.

>> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND
>
>That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why. Shorting it to GND
would simulate a controller that is dead in such a way as to be asserting
#reset.

>> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
>
>Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

See above, Chim-Chim.

>>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.
>
>> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of Stupidity.
>
>Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?

>> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not. No one can say,
>
>Wrong, as always.

Completely correct, Mongo.

>> you numb, flatulent ****.
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, ****wit child.

Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your flabby
ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.

Trent wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:14 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
> Message id: <>:
>
>> Trent wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
>>> Message id: <>:
>>>
>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>> Fred <> wrote
>>>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>>>> Fred <> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>>>> completely dead
>>>>
>>>>>>> Not always true.
>>>>
>>>>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>>>>
>>>> More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
>>>
>>> Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
>>> assertion, dick-less.
>>
>> Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

> Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

>>>>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the
>>>>> drive will not spin up.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> Yep.

> Absolutely, positively, not.

Wrong, as always.

>>> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND
>>
>> That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>> ****wit child.

> It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

> Shorting it to GND would simulate a controller that
> is dead in such a way as to be asserting #reset.

Wrong, as always. No dead controller would short that, ****wit child.

>>> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.

>> Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>> ****wit child.

> See above

Completely useless, as always with your ****, ****wit.

>>>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting
>>>> #reset, stupid.
>>
>>> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles
>>> of Stupidity.
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not.
>>> No one can say,
>>
>> Wrong, as always.

> Completely correct, Mongo.

Wrong, as always.

>>> you numb, flatulent ****.

>> Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, ****wit> child.
>
> Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your
> flabby ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, ****wit child.