Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:07:56 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
Message id: <>:

>Trent wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:14 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
>> Message id: <>:
>>
>>> Trent wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:37 +1000 "Fred" <> wrote in
>>>> Message id: <>:
>>>>
>>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>>> Fred <> wrote
>>>>>>> Trent wrote
>>>>>>>> Fred <> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>>>>> completely dead
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not always true.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.
>>>>>
>>>>> More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
>>>>
>>>> Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
>>>> assertion, dick-less.
>>>
>>> Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
>
>> Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

Indeed. And you'd do well to remember that, Rain Man.

>>>>>> If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the
>>>>>> drive will not spin up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>
>> Absolutely, positively, not.
>
>Wrong, as always.

It's an easy experiment to do. Instead of making a fool of yourself on
Usenet (again) why don't you power up a drive with it's #reset signal
connected to GND?

>>>> Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND

Well?

>>> That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>>> ****wit child.
>
>> It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why.
>
>Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

That goes without saying. A pity you're unable to keep up.

>> Shorting it to GND would simulate a controller that
>> is dead in such a way as to be asserting #reset.
>
>Wrong, as always. No dead controller would short that, ****wit child.

You have no way of knowing *how* a piece of silicon will behave when it
fails, Rain Man. In fact, when a chip fails internally, one of the most
common faults is that one or more of it's outputs will be driven low.
Like #reset, for example. Heh.

>>>> and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
>
>>> Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead,
>>> ****wit child.
>
>> See above
>
>Completely useless, as always with your ****, ****wit.

It's a good thing you aren't wearing cleats, as often as you step
on your crank.

>>>>> If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting
>>>>> #reset, stupid.
>>>
>>>> Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles
>>>> of Stupidity.
>>>
>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>> The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?
>
>Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I've noticed. That's usually when you start churning out weak comebacks
like that.

>>>> If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not.
>>>> No one can say,
>>>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Completely correct, Mongo.
>
>Wrong, as always.

How ****ing persistent you are. I admire a captain that goes down with his
ship, though.

>>>> you numb, flatulent ****.
>
>>> Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, ****wit> child.
>>
>> Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your
>> flabby ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.
>
>Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, ****wit child.

Would you like a re-post?

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...

Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
HDD.
No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
the desktop partition).
I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG. How would I do
this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.

Thanks.




On Jul 20, 3:26*pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> XYLOPHONE wrote
>
> > Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
> > LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
> > - I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the
> > power on. Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations
>
> Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.
>
> If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
> problem with the adapter powering the drive.
>
> > (My ears are good, can make difference between music on vinyl and CD).
>
> That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very quiet sounds.
>
> > Furthermore, the desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive.
>
> Thats because it never spins up.
>
> > I borrow the cable end from the HD which is normally in that PC.
> > ON THE LAPTOP:
> > - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
> > using Pentium 4.
>
> That can set an ATA password in the drive.
> The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.
>
> That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the laptop.
>
> > - The key sequence is CTRL-F10
>
> F10 actually.
>
> > (I think, because I quickly press many keys), and when the BIOS
> > is supposed to arrive, a small blue box appears asking for a
> > password. It gives 3 chances and everything freezes on 3rd fail.
> > - There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
> > In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
> > drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
> > and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
> > tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
>
> It may not be set to boot either.
>
> > - I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
> > POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
> > - While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
> > happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
> > replace and strike any key".
>
> Nothing strange about that.
>
> > This is strange, because it doesn't attempt to boot from anything (afaik)
>
> It clearly does and that is why you get that
> message when there is no hard drive present.
>
> > but the message is exactly the one of the boot
> > sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk.
>
> Its the classic bios error message with no hard
> drive present and nothing else to boot from.
>
> > In reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message.
>
> What ?
>
> > Or it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash memory.
>
> Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.
>
> > Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still same message.
>
> Because there is nothing it can boot from.
>
> > If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
> > but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
>
> It may not have them in the boot list.
>
> > - And if I put the original XP HD it boots to
> > that password no matter boot option chosen,
>
> Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
> do anything until you enter the correct password.
>
> > and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
> > cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
> > Any ideas?
> > Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
> > jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
> > the last solution.
>
> http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/...tManual/c01134...
> Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.
>
> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...ntIndex.jsp?co...
> has all the manuals.
>
>
>
> > From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
> > Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
> > Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
> > To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
>
> > Arno wrote:
> >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>> Arno wrote:
> >>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.****off>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com> wrote
> >>>>> in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:
>
> >>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
> >>>>>> completely dead
>
> >>>>> Not always true.
>
> >>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
> >>>> die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
> >>>> reset.
>
> >>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
> >>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.
>
> >> ... which I have suggested some postings before
>
> > No you didnt until much later.
>
> >> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.
>
> > He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

XYLOPHONE wrote:
> Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...

> Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the HDD.
> No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
> the desktop partition).
> I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
> just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
> symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
> I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
> the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
> I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
> boot to some point, freeze, or crash...

Its actually the classic result you get if the Win install was on a system
with the chipset different enough to the one you are getting that effect with.

> If I only could get to a DOS prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG.

The manual link I gave you tells ou how to reset the laptop
at a variety of levels, reset the password, reset the cmos etc.

> How would I do this, now that the original
> drive is erased, and made bootable again.

Normally you could fix that blank screen with a cursor at top left
by booting from the Win CD and doing a repair install. But you said
cant boot the Win CD. Maybe you can now that the password is gone.

If that doesnt work, reset the cmos as the manual says and boot
the Win CD once you can tell the laptop to boot off the CD.


> On Jul 20, 3:26 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> XYLOPHONE wrote
>>
>>> Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
>>> LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
>>> - I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the
>>> power on. Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations
>>
>> Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.
>>
>> If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
>> problem with the adapter powering the drive.
>>
>>> (My ears are good, can make difference between music on vinyl and
>>> CD).
>>
>> That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very
>> quiet sounds.
>>
>>> Furthermore, the desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive.
>>
>> Thats because it never spins up.
>>
>>> I borrow the cable end from the HD which is normally in that PC.
>>> ON THE LAPTOP:
>>> - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
>>> using Pentium 4.
>>
>> That can set an ATA password in the drive.
>> The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.
>>
>> That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the
>> laptop.
>>
>>> - The key sequence is CTRL-F10
>>
>> F10 actually.
>>
>>> (I think, because I quickly press many keys), and when the BIOS
>>> is supposed to arrive, a small blue box appears asking for a
>>> password. It gives 3 chances and everything freezes on 3rd fail.
>>> - There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD
>>> drive.
>>> In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD
>>> in
>>> drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low
>>> speed
>>> and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
>>> tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
>>
>> It may not be set to boot either.
>>
>>> - I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
>>> POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
>>> - While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see
>>> what happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk
>>> error,
>>> replace and strike any key".
>>
>> Nothing strange about that.
>>
>>> This is strange, because it doesn't attempt to boot from anything
>>> (afaik)
>>
>> It clearly does and that is why you get that
>> message when there is no hard drive present.
>>
>>> but the message is exactly the one of the boot
>>> sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk.
>>
>> Its the classic bios error message with no hard
>> drive present and nothing else to boot from.
>>
>>> In reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that
>>> message.
>>
>> What ?
>>
>>> Or it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or
>>> flash memory.
>>
>> Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.
>>
>>> Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still same
>>> message.
>>
>> Because there is nothing it can boot from.
>>
>>> If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
>>> but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
>>
>> It may not have them in the boot list.
>>
>>> - And if I put the original XP HD it boots to
>>> that password no matter boot option chosen,
>>
>> Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
>> do anything until you enter the correct password.
>>
>>> and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
>>> cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
>>> jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
>>> the last solution.
>>
>> http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/...tManual/c01134...
>> Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.
>>
>> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...ntIndex.jsp?co...
>> has all the manuals.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
>>> Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
>>> Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
>>> To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
>>
>>> Arno wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> Arno wrote:
>>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.****off>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
>>>>>>> wrote in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>>>>>>>> completely dead
>>
>>>>>>> Not always true.
>>
>>>>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things
>>>>>> never die completely and often assert some funky signals like a
>>>>>> permanent reset.
>>
>>>>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
>>>>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.
>>
>>>> ... which I have suggested some postings before
>>
>>> No you didnt until much later.
>>
>>>> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.
>>
>>> He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:39:22 +1000 "Rod Speed" <>
wrote in Message id: <>:

I noticed that I didn't get a response to my last post in this subject, so
I google groped this thread to see if you had replied. Sure enough, like
Pavlov's dog, you did. But, understandably, your "Rod Speed" persona is
kill-filed.

[All my valid assertions go MIA.]

But, I'll summarize again. Take *any* PATA hard drive and short pin 1 to
pin 2, (#RESET to GND) then apply power to the drive. The motor will *not*
spin up. This will not hurt the drive whatsoever, in case anybody might
not know this - you could even use a flat blade screwdriver to short the
two pins. Rod is probably unable to find these two pins on a PATA drive,
so is unable to perform this simple test.

Anyway, on to Rod's copy-n-paste canned response:

>Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
>Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
>predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Three days ago I posted:

>From: Trent <.****off>
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.h ardware.misc
>Subject: Re: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:20:02 -0400
>Message-ID: <>
>
>The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?

Heh. SPANK, you ****ing weak-kneed pussy.

Don't bother "cowering behind" your kill-filed "Rod Speed" nym if you want
me to see your response, ****nuts. I won't bother taking the time to
Google group search this thread again.

Buh-bye!

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage XYLOPHONE <> wrote:
> Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...

> Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
> HDD.
> No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
> the desktop partition).

Ok, first step accomplished, the disk works and has what you want on it.

> I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
> just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
> symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
> I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
> the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
> I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
> boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
> prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG.

> How would I do
> this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.

> Thanks.

If they implemented the password protection right, then you cannot.

You should have a look at the battery removal instructions, form
a quick glance they did not seem to problematic.

Arno




> On Jul 20, 3:26?pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> XYLOPHONE wrote
>>
>> > Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
>> > LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
>> > - I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the
>> > power on. Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations
>>
>> Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.
>>
>> If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
>> problem with the adapter powering the drive.
>>
>> > (My ears are good, can make difference between music on vinyl and CD).
>>
>> That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very quiet sounds.
>>
>> > Furthermore, the desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive.
>>
>> Thats because it never spins up.
>>
>> > I borrow the cable end from the HD which is normally in that PC.
>> > ON THE LAPTOP:
>> > - The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
>> > using Pentium 4.
>>
>> That can set an ATA password in the drive.
>> The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.
>>
>> That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the laptop.
>>
>> > - The key sequence is CTRL-F10
>>
>> F10 actually.
>>
>> > (I think, because I quickly press many keys), and when the BIOS
>> > is supposed to arrive, a small blue box appears asking for a
>> > password. It gives 3 chances and everything freezes on 3rd fail.
>> > - There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
>> > In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
>> > drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
>> > and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
>> > tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
>>
>> It may not be set to boot either.
>>
>> > - I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
>> > POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
>> > - While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
>> > happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
>> > replace and strike any key".
>>
>> Nothing strange about that.
>>
>> > This is strange, because it doesn't attempt to boot from anything (afaik)
>>
>> It clearly does and that is why you get that
>> message when there is no hard drive present.
>>
>> > but the message is exactly the one of the boot
>> > sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk.
>>
>> Its the classic bios error message with no hard
>> drive present and nothing else to boot from.
>>
>> > In reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message.
>>
>> What ?
>>
>> > Or it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash memory.
>>
>> Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.
>>
>> > Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still same message.
>>
>> Because there is nothing it can boot from.
>>
>> > If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
>> > but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
>>
>> It may not have them in the boot list.
>>
>> > - And if I put the original XP HD it boots to
>> > that password no matter boot option chosen,
>>
>> Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
>> do anything until you enter the correct password.
>>
>> > and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
>> > cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
>> > Any ideas?
>> > Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
>> > jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
>> > the last solution.
>>
>> http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/...tManual/c01134...
>> Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.
>>
>> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...ntIndex.jsp?co...
>> has all the manuals.
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: "Fred" <f...@nospam.com>
>> > Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
>> > Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
>> > To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
>>
>> > Arno wrote:
>> >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Fred <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>> Arno wrote:
>> >>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Trent <n...@dev.null.****off>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:00:01 +1000 "Fred" <f...@nospam.com> wrote
>> >>>>> in Message id: <7ca0okF25i0c...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>> >>>>>> Nope, the drives will spin up even when the PC controller is
>> >>>>>> completely dead
>>
>> >>>>> Not always true.
>>
>> >>>> Well, when it is completely dead, then yes. But these things never
>> >>>> die completely and often assert some funky signals like a permanent
>> >>>> reset.
>>
>> >>> That possibility can be eliminated by unplugging the ribbon
>> >>> cable from the adapter but still leaving the power connected.
>>
>> >> ... which I have suggested some postings before
>>
>> > No you didnt until much later.
>>
>> >> but the OP has not yet reported results on this.
>>
>> > He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -