Windows 7

Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap legit
price .
(My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7 upgrade
from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will the
upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only for
Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want to waste my
money.
Regards
BK

Thanks for your reply Tom.
Bk
"Tom Scales" <> wrote in message
news:79C3C2BBE3EC4285A84240713CCFDFA9@XPS13...
> There are two answers to your question.
>
> 1) Will it work, probably
> 2) Is it legal? No.
>
> You can't move an upgrade from one machine to another. It is licensed
> to the machine that it is upgrading.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BK [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
> Posted At: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:41 PM
> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
> Conversation: Windows 7
> Subject: Windows 7
>
> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap legit
>
> price .
> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
> upgrade
> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will
> the
> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only for
> Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want to waste
> my
> money.
> Regards
> BK
>

Thanks Dave for your reply
I installed Vista business on this Toshiba pc, there was a leaflet with it
stating that a windows 7 professional upgrade was available for a very
reduced price.(30GBP)
My son isnt interested about the upgrade and suggested I use it.
I was checking that it would work on a vista home premium Dell pc.
Regards
BK
regards
Brian
"Daave" <> wrote in message
news:.. .
> Depends on the Upgrade.
>
> Typically, Upgrades are Retail and are therefore transferrable. (If an OEM
> has a special offer and sends out an OEM DVD for Windows 7, then this type
> of "upgrade" would be non-transferrable.) What is not transferrable is the
> qualifying OS in the event it is an OEM license.
>
> But if you have another PC that has a qualifying OS (OEM or Retail -- it
> doesn't matter), then the Upgrade license (which is Retail) *does* permit
> transferring -- as long as Windows 7 is removed from the other PC.
>
> Just read the EULA.
>
>
> Tom Scales wrote:
>> There are two answers to your question.
>>
>> 1) Will it work, probably
>> 2) Is it legal? No.
>>
>> You can't move an upgrade from one machine to another. It is licensed
>> to the machine that it is upgrading.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BK [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
>> Posted At: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:41 PM
>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
>> Conversation: Windows 7
>> Subject: Windows 7
>>
>> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap
>> legit
>>
>> price .
>> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
>> upgrade
>> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
>> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will
>> the
>> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only for
>> Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want to
>> waste my
>> money.
>> Regards
>> BK
>
>

"RnR" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:16:29 -0000, "BK"
> <> wrote:
>
>>Thanks Dave for your reply
>>I installed Vista business on this Toshiba pc, there was a leaflet with it
>>stating that a windows 7 professional upgrade was available for a very
>>reduced price.(30GBP)
>> My son isnt interested about the upgrade and suggested I use it.
>>I was checking that it would work on a vista home premium Dell pc.
>>Regards
>>BK
>>regards
>>Brian
>>"Daave" <> wrote in message
>>news: ...
>>> Depends on the Upgrade.
>>>
>>> Typically, Upgrades are Retail and are therefore transferrable. (If an
>>> OEM
>>> has a special offer and sends out an OEM DVD for Windows 7, then this
>>> type
>>> of "upgrade" would be non-transferrable.) What is not transferrable is
>>> the
>>> qualifying OS in the event it is an OEM license.
>>>
>>> But if you have another PC that has a qualifying OS (OEM or Retail -- it
>>> doesn't matter), then the Upgrade license (which is Retail) *does*
>>> permit
>>> transferring -- as long as Windows 7 is removed from the other PC.
>>>
>>> Just read the EULA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Scales wrote:
>>>> There are two answers to your question.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Will it work, probably
>>>> 2) Is it legal? No.
>>>>
>>>> You can't move an upgrade from one machine to another. It is licensed
>>>> to the machine that it is upgrading.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BK [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
>>>> Posted At: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:41 PM
>>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
>>>> Conversation: Windows 7
>>>> Subject: Windows 7
>>>>
>>>> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap
>>>> legit
>>>>
>>>> price .
>>>> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
>>>> upgrade
>>>> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
>>>> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will
>>>> the
>>>> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only for
>>>> Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want to
>>>> waste my
>>>> money.
>>>> Regards
>>>> BK
>>>
>>>
>
>
> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
> now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
> complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
> path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
> that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
> this.
>
> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
> have been testing it a little off and on.

Thanks for that.
I Think I may wait a bit
Regards
BK

In news:,
RnR typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500:
> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
> now flooding Microsoft about it.

Hmm... I like to say I keep up with these things, but I haven't heard
this before. Interesting.

> Of course I can't say if all the complaints are really MS's fault but
> the point is that the upgrade path may have bugs or difficulties.
> Another way to look at it is that the other 1/3 have had no problem.
> My point is just be aware of this.
>
> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.

I don't understand this? Vista and Windows 7 are very similar. IMHO, if
you like Vista, you would likely like Windows 7. Although if you don't
like Vista, you may not like Windows 7.

> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
> have been testing it a little off and on.

I am running two evaluation versions (one on the netbook) and preordered
two copies of 'Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade' back in July.
Now I regret it as they are just sitting on the shelf unopened. <sigh>

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

No Problem and thanks again for your help
Brian
"Daave" <> wrote in message
news:.. .
> Brian, I can't help you out. I was answering Tom with regard to whether or
> not an Upgrade license is transferrable. As long as it is the standard
> *Retail* version like the one listed here:
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116714
>
> ... then, yes, it is transferrable.
>
> But I doubt Toshiba would ship out a Retail Upgrade DVD for Windows 7
> Professional for only 30 pounds! I would imagine it is a unique OEM disk
> that most likely wouldn't work with your Dell. And I would imagine the
> license would be for installation on that particular Toshiba, anyway.
>
> In the event you ever do wish to upgrade to Windows 7, I would strongly
> urge that you make an image of your hard drive the way it is -- just in
> case you decide to revert to your old system with XP.
>
>
> BK wrote:
>> Thanks Dave for your reply
>> I installed Vista business on this Toshiba pc, there was a leaflet
>> with it stating that a windows 7 professional upgrade was available
>> for a very reduced price.(30GBP)
>> My son isnt interested about the upgrade and suggested I use it.
>> I was checking that it would work on a vista home premium Dell pc.
>> Regards
>> BK
>> regards
>> Brian
>> "Daave" <> wrote in message
>> news:.. .
>>> Depends on the Upgrade.
>>>
>>> Typically, Upgrades are Retail and are therefore transferrable. (If
>>> an OEM has a special offer and sends out an OEM DVD for Windows 7,
>>> then this type of "upgrade" would be non-transferrable.) What is not
>>> transferrable is the qualifying OS in the event it is an OEM license.
>>>
>>> But if you have another PC that has a qualifying OS (OEM or Retail
>>> -- it doesn't matter), then the Upgrade license (which is Retail)
>>> *does* permit transferring -- as long as Windows 7 is removed from
>>> the other PC. Just read the EULA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Scales wrote:
>>>> There are two answers to your question.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Will it work, probably
>>>> 2) Is it legal? No.
>>>>
>>>> You can't move an upgrade from one machine to another. It is
>>>> licensed to the machine that it is upgrading.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BK [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
>>>> Posted At: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:41 PM
>>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
>>>> Conversation: Windows 7
>>>> Subject: Windows 7
>>>>
>>>> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap
>>>> legit
>>>>
>>>> price .
>>>> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
>>>> upgrade
>>>> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
>>>> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will
>>>> the
>>>> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only
>>>> for Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want
>>>> to waste my
>>>> money.
>>>> Regards
>>>> BK
>
>

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500, "RnR" <> wrote:


>For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
>complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
>path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
>that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
>this.

There are no problems with the upgrade unless you are actually using
the upgrade and not the clean install. Even then there are few issues.
A clean install is the way to go and you can easily just copy the
Application Data from .windows old directly into the new installation.
>
>On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>have been testing it a little off and on.

Just the opposite.

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:10:37 -0500, "RnR" <> wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:36:05 -0500, "BillW50" <> wrote:
>
>>In news:,
>>RnR typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500:
>>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>> now flooding Microsoft about it.
>>
>>Hmm... I like to say I keep up with these things, but I haven't heard
>>this before. Interesting.
>>
>>> Of course I can't say if all the complaints are really MS's fault but
>>> the point is that the upgrade path may have bugs or difficulties.
>>> Another way to look at it is that the other 1/3 have had no problem.
>>> My point is just be aware of this.
>>>
>>> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>>> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>>
>>I don't understand this? Vista and Windows 7 are very similar. IMHO, if
>>you like Vista, you would likely like Windows 7. Although if you don't
>>like Vista, you may not like Windows 7.
>>
>>> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>>> have been testing it a little off and on.
>>
>>I am running two evaluation versions (one on the netbook) and preordered
>>two copies of 'Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade' back in July.
>>Now I regret it as they are just sitting on the shelf unopened. <sigh>
>
>
>I think ??? the reason they said a big step up from Vista was the
>compatibility, stability and speed enhancements. I don't recall them
>telling the exact reason so this is my best guess for now till I can
>re-read that article.
>
>Bill, how come you aren't opening the pkgs ? How do you like win 7
>on the netbook so far?

Compatibility, stability is exactly the same as Vista. There are some
speed improvements however and some improved desktop functionality.

"RnR" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:30:38 -0400, "Bob Levine" <>
> wrote:

> Thanks Bob for your input and experiences with win 7. Just curious,
> anything in particular that you like about win 7 and what OS were you
> using prior?

Moving from Vista Ultimate 64 desktop and Vista Home Premium 32 on MacBook
via Boot Camp.

In no particular order:

Home group and libraries make sharing a snap.
Networking improved.
UI improvements such as the snap feature, pin to task bar, aero shake (I
admit some people may hate that one) rollover previews.
Less intrusive UAC.
Quicker boot, smaller footprint and piece of cake installation.
If it worked in Vista, it will work (probably better) in Win 7 including
most drivers. On the other side of the coin, if you have a Celeron with less
than a gig of RAM stick with XP.

In short, it is, IMO, a very polished operating system. It's what Vista
should have been.

I have never moved to a new operating system before it was a year old until
this one. AFAIC, it's ready. There's no need to wait.

Bob

RnR wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:03:09 -0500, totfit <>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500, "RnR" <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>> now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
>>> complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
>>> path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
>>> that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
>>> this.
>> There are no problems with the upgrade unless you are actually using
>> the upgrade and not the clean install. Even then there are few issues.
>> A clean install is the way to go and you can easily just copy the
>> Application Data from .windows old directly into the new installation.
>>> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>>> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>>> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>>> have been testing it a little off and on.
>> Just the opposite.
>
>
> I agree with you.... I always prefer a clean install. I think I once
> upgraded an OS and it was a bad experience. I know and prefer a clean
> install.
>
> I'll have to re-read that technician's newsletter but I think I got it
> right what they said. I don't think they thought much of vista.

For Microsoft, "Upgrade" version has always been a misnomer. As with
Win 7, the best approach with the upgrade version is a clean install.
Then why call it "upgrade"? Doing so allows Microsoft to undercut its
own tightly controlled list price for the non-upgrade version, and this
helps them sell lots of copies to unwitting owners. Unwitting, because
they get conned into actually trying to upgrade on top of their
previously installed OS. When people run into problems, Microsoft
effectively turns a deaf ear, providing little or no support, unless you
want to pay so-many dollars a minute to their paid support line... Ben Myers