Windows 7

> No mention in that article about 2/3 of upgrades having difficulties. I
> am not surprised these is no reference to the 2/3 as how would anyone know
> the number of upgrades that did not have any problems?

They know the total number of upgrades. They know the number of problems.
The number without problems is total_upgrades - problem_upgrades.
Then to get the ratio:

(total_upgrades - problem_upgrades) / total_upgrades

Tom Lake

In news:,
RnR typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:10:37 -0500:
> I think ??? the reason they said a big step up from Vista was the
> compatibility, stability and speed enhancements. I don't recall them
> telling the exact reason so this is my best guess for now till I can
> re-read that article.

Oh okay.

> Bill, how come you aren't opening the pkgs ?

What for? As I already have Windows 7 Ultimate RC running on two
computers. And they are supposed to work until March 2010. And my
unopened boxes are Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade versions. So that
would be a step down to replace them with Home anyway.

> How do you like win 7 on the netbook so far?

Well I am not a big fan of Vista/Windows 7 anyway. The OS does too much
hand holding for my tastes. And slaps your hand when it doesn't like
what you are doing.

Aside from my bias, Windows 7 is a bit slow on netbooks and other slow
CPU systems. Oh it boots fast to the desktop in record time and all like
people are raving about. But also add up the time it also takes to get
your email from boot and it isn't really that fast at all. And it is
much slower than XP. Although XP actually flies on such machines with
enough RAM. But if I liked Windows 7 in the first place and installed a
faster drive. It probably would be acceptable. ;-)

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2

1/3 of 4000 people had problems
Microsoft deferred 1.47 billion in income from windows 7
Those 4000 people really bought expensive software

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:39:36 -0500, "RnR" <> wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:31:24 -0500, "RnR" <> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:51:18 +1000, "Camper" <> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"RnR" <> wrote in message
>>>news: ...
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:23:06 -0400, "Daave" <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>RnR wrote:
>>>>>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>>>>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>>>>> now flooding Microsoft about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>If this is an online article, please post a link; I'd like to read it.
>>>>>Thx.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I read several articles / newsletters more or less saying the
>>>> same thing early this morning but here's one that talks about the
>>>> upgrade woes....
>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/17434..._problems.html
>>>>
>>>> Google on "windows 7 upgrade problems" and you can see more. I also
>>>> read that some window 7 workarounds are illegal per MS. I'd rather
>>>> not give that reference because I might give some people ideas how to
>>>> sorta pirate windows 7. It's not my business if they pirate but I
>>>> don't want to teach them how to.
>>>
>>>No mention in that article about 2/3 of upgrades having difficulties. I am
>>>not surprised these is no reference to the 2/3 as how would anyone know the
>>>number of upgrades that did not have any problems?
>>>
>>>Camper
>>
>>
>>Right no mention of fractions but if you do the math..... 2600 + 1400
>>= 4000 questions of which 1400 remain unanswered. That's about 1/3
>>of their calls unanswered or unresolved, 2/3 answered or resolved.
>
>
>Just to add to my post above, I did mistake 2/3 for 1/3. I should
>have said 1/3 are having upgrade problems not 2/3. My point was not
>so much the math but that before one might upgrade, they might want to
>be aware of the potential problems some people are complaining about
>to MS. And there are other articles about these pitfalls too.
>
>Camper, I'll give you credit for my math but give me a break <grin>.

>>
>> (total_upgrades - problem_upgrades) / total_upgrades
>>
>> Tom Lake
>
> Microsoft might know that but not outside parties.
>

Trackers have a very good idea. Order numbers are reported
by all the major retailers both online and brick-and-mortar.
It's not exact down to the last copy (Microsoft sells some
directly) but it's close enough for good estimates.

Tom Lake

Wow, great reading comprehension, it says about 2600 people are having
trouble with the upgrade hanging 2/3 of the way through... you really don't
think m/s has only sold 3900 copies of win 7 do you?

"RnR" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:16:29 -0000, "BK"
> <> wrote:
>
>>Thanks Dave for your reply
>>I installed Vista business on this Toshiba pc, there was a leaflet with it
>>stating that a windows 7 professional upgrade was available for a very
>>reduced price.(30GBP)
>> My son isnt interested about the upgrade and suggested I use it.
>>I was checking that it would work on a vista home premium Dell pc.
>>Regards
>>BK
>>regards
>>Brian
>>"Daave" <> wrote in message
>>news: ...
>>> Depends on the Upgrade.
>>>
>>> Typically, Upgrades are Retail and are therefore transferrable. (If an
>>> OEM
>>> has a special offer and sends out an OEM DVD for Windows 7, then this
>>> type
>>> of "upgrade" would be non-transferrable.) What is not transferrable is
>>> the
>>> qualifying OS in the event it is an OEM license.
>>>
>>> But if you have another PC that has a qualifying OS (OEM or Retail -- it
>>> doesn't matter), then the Upgrade license (which is Retail) *does*
>>> permit
>>> transferring -- as long as Windows 7 is removed from the other PC.
>>>
>>> Just read the EULA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Scales wrote:
>>>> There are two answers to your question.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Will it work, probably
>>>> 2) Is it legal? No.
>>>>
>>>> You can't move an upgrade from one machine to another. It is licensed
>>>> to the machine that it is upgrading.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BK [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
>>>> Posted At: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:41 PM
>>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
>>>> Conversation: Windows 7
>>>> Subject: Windows 7
>>>>
>>>> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap
>>>> legit
>>>>
>>>> price .
>>>> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
>>>> upgrade
>>>> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
>>>> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will
>>>> the
>>>> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only for
>>>> Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want to
>>>> waste my
>>>> money.
>>>> Regards
>>>> BK
>>>
>>>
>
>
> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
> now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
> complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
> path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
> that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
> this.
>
> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
> have been testing it a little off and on.