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A quick look at Bulldozer thread scheduling

Discussion in 'Intel' started by Yousuf Khan, Nov 10, 2011.

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    Yousuf Khan Guest

    It looks like AMD could've saved themselves a lot of embarrassment by
    simply making the secondary cores in each module look like an Intel
    Hyperthreading thread rather than simply as another full core.

    A quick look at Bulldozer thread scheduling - The Tech Report - Page 1
    Yousuf Khan, Nov 10, 2011
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    Does slightly better in Linux than in Windows 7. Some support for BD
    built into the Linux 3.0/3.1 kernels, more coming in the 3.2 kernel.

    [Phoronix] AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer On Ubuntu Linux Review
    Yousuf Khan, Nov 10, 2011
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    willbill Guest

    Nice ref, nice site.

    What's your take on value of 4-core FX-4100 at $105?

    Re the site, I found "Life in the lab with Noctua's CPU coolers"
    to be more interesting: http://techreport.com/articles.x/21873

    I've 2 of the NH-U12P SE2, so count me as biased. :)

    willbill, Nov 20, 2011
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    Yousuf Khan Guest

    Probably depends on what you're upgrading from. I just picked up a
    Phenom II X6 1100T BE to replace an X3 710. It was both an upgrade in
    GHz as well as cores. So that was a noticeable upgrade. But those are 6
    real cores. A 4-core Bulldozer's cores would be more like 2 cores and 4
    Hyperthreads. Bulldozers do start off with pretty high GHz though, which
    is nice.
    I haven't ventured into the realm of aftermarket coolers yet. I'm trying
    to find some headroom within my stock coolers right now.

    Yousuf Khan
    Yousuf Khan, Nov 26, 2011
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    willbill Guest

    Thanks for the response.

    I'm running Phenom II X4 955 BE, so for me
    it's not likely to be much of an upgrade.

    BTW I read your separate thread on your new
    Phenom II X6 1100T BE with interest. :)

    re FX-4100, I wouldn't mind getting some 1st hand
    experience as that's what really counts. I've also
    already got a decent AM3+ mobo.

    For the moment I'm waiting to see a detailed
    review of the FX-4100. So far the initial month
    of user reviews are positive, but it's easy
    to write that off as AMD "fan boy" stuff.

    I'm also starting to look at Intel, but that'd take
    both a cpu and mobo, and the Intel based mobo's
    cost more than the comparable AMD units.
    If you hadn't noticed, the last time I bought
    Intel was a very long time ago. :)

    BTW I noticed that XMAS showed up two
    full weeks earlier this year than last. :)

    Comment on PBS news a few days ago
    was that per person spending is likely
    to be slightly down this season, hence
    the earlier advertising.

    Anyhow, It's not like I'm doing anything so
    demanding that I need to move to a more
    powerful PC setup. And as I've not seen
    any great deals (I'm not really looking),
    I'll keep waiting.
    FWIW, I only use the best of AMD's stock
    coolers with my least demanding cpu's.
    They're inadequate and noisy with most
    of AMD's faster cpu's.

    While the Noctua coolers look expensive,
    they're in fact the cheapest of all of them
    as you get premium fans (*plural*) along
    with the premium heatsink. I also like that
    Noctua provides convenient in-line resistors
    that allow the fan speed to be lowered.

    The NH-U12P SE2 does need a case that's
    a minimum of roughly 8" thick. amazon
    tends to have best pricing, but not always.
    And due to their use of 3rd party vendors,
    pricing varies a lot there.

    willbill, Nov 26, 2011
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    Also what I think. Perhaps, a Bulldozer 8xxx series would be much more
    noticeable too you: 4 modules/8 cores in AMD terminology, 4 cores/8
    threads in generic terminology.
    I don't see a problem with going Intel, if you really want a performance
    upgrade that's noticeable right now. But in order to do that, you'll
    need not just an expensive Intel mobo, but also an expensive Intel
    processor. The high-end Phenom II's, despite their pre-conceived
    sad-sack reputations are no slouches when compared to Intel's offerings.
    Only the highest end Intels would put them to shame, and only in some

    You might find that going with an FM1 motherboard with an upcoming
    Trinity core processor would be the better deal. The built-in *real* GPU
    alone would be worth it.
    I waited 3-4 years for this particular upgrade, myself.
    I'm thinking that with the current processor that I have, if I do decide
    to replace the stock cooler, then I'll go with a water cooler right off
    the bat.

    Actually, my priority is not a cooler for the next upgrade. It would
    either be an SSD, or an upgrade to my GPU. The GPU because I've waited
    even longer to upgrade my GPU than the CPU, currently a Geforce 8600GT.
    The SSD because I'm finding that really my biggest daily bottleneck is
    my OS boot disk speed. Based on Windows Experience Index, my biggest
    bottleneck is the GPU, rated at 4.8 out of 7.9; but my hard disks get
    5.9 on the index. But of course, it's the hard disk that gets used
    constantly, the highest functions of the GPU is used infrequently.

    Yousuf Khan
    Yousuf Khan, Nov 28, 2011
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    willbill Guest

    Interesting thought. I'm not likely to spend the money
    for either of the 8 core FX cpus, but I'll start paying
    some attention to pricing of the 6 core FX cpu.

    Your buy of a 6 core Phenom II X6 1100T BE suggests
    that you either run multi-threaded apps, or think that
    this will pick up in the near future?
    The apu arena is another that I'll be paying
    more attention to. Given the likely additional
    complexity (both hardware and software),
    I don't see going there any time soon.
    Whoa! There's a jump into the deep end. :)

    Given you've zero experience with after-market
    air coolers, have you got a ref that makes a case
    for water cooling over air cooling? I'm mainly
    talking money/performance/convenience ratio
    as that seems to be a key interest of yours.
    All three are clear upgrades. I'd tend to think more in
    terms of time screwing around with getting it functional:
    1. GPU = least time spent
    2. SSD = some time spent, especially 1st time
    3. cooler = most time spent; key side benefit = quieter

    willbill, Nov 28, 2011
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    Yousuf Khan Guest

    You don't need individual highly multi-threaded apps to take advantage
    of the threading. Just running Windows, you always have several things
    running simultaneously. I've gone from single-core to dual-core triple
    core, to currently hexa-core, and system responsiveness always gets
    smoother with the more cores/threads you have. I found double-core used
    to get heavily bogged down easily under Windows. Triple-core was much
    more tamed, but still it would've been nice to have at least one more
    core available. And now of course, I got 3 more cores. I expect I won't
    be maxing that out for a couple of years yet.
    No, but I'm also not in the market for any sort of aftermarket cooling
    system either. I figure by the time I'm ready to go there, I'll be able
    to really research it. Both AMD and Intel are now offering water-cooling
    on their next-gen processors. Also I got a pretty decent full-tower
    case, just upgraded last year, which already has holes drilled in for
    water-cooling pipes.

    Yousuf Khan
    Yousuf Khan, Nov 29, 2011
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    I think they were able to hang onto the traditional cooling systems
    longer with the advance of internal CPU thermal control circuitry. The
    processors wouldn't get to high temperatures until they were really
    pushed for power.

    Yousuf Khan
    Yousuf Khan, Dec 5, 2011
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