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AMD Duron 1800 to Core2 E4550 ???

Discussion in 'AMD Overclocking' started by Don, Dec 2, 2008.

  1. Don

    Don Guest

    Can you specialists giveme some advice please. I'm in the UK.

    Is the advice I've been given any good? Suggested I go from my old
    slow system to a new system based on Intel. Proposed system seems
    overkill. Opinions please.


    REQUIREMENT:
    I use my system for home use with a lot of personal office-like
    activity (I'm retired).

    I want to have reasonably good audio editing for good quality voice
    recording of meetings. Want low system noise where possible.

    Would like FEATURES (like lots of USB and on-board functions to save
    buying plugins) but I don't need tons of outright POWER.


    PRICE:
    I can't fund expensive equipment so I try and buy for value rather
    than leading edge technology. My current system was bought as middle
    to trailing edge technology and has got more out of date since then!


    CURRENT SYSTEM:
    (a) AMD Duron cpu at 1800 MHz. Real 1800 MHz (approx sub-Athlon 2100+)
    (b) Syntax mobo based on Via 266a chipset with 768 MB SD-RAM.
    (c) 17 inch CRT which I will keep and re-use.
    (d) four to seven hard drives (mix of SATA/PATA) using PCI adapters


    PROPOSED SYSTEM (PC shop suggestion: total £450 inc VAT)
    (1) Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 processor (£77)
    (2) very recent Asus mobo (£89)
    3 PCI, 6 SATA, 10 USB, 2 Fwire, 8ch sound, 4D chII-1066 memory
    (3) 4 GB memory Crucial/Kingston (£60)
    (4) graphics card (£30)
    (5) sound blaster X-Fi Xtreme PCI 8ch (£33)
    (6) hard drive for booting only (£30)
    (7) DVD-RW £22
    (8) decent case/PSU = Antec Sonata (£92)
    (9) usual ancillary things: fan, webcam, KVM switch, mouse/keybd

    ------------

    Bit fast isn't it? And probably a huge jump.

    It's too expensive. Any ideas where I can trim the cost back a bit.

    Was told Intel cpu's have currently stolen a lead on AMD. Also that
    Intel mobos were no longer significantly more costly than AMD mobos.
    True enough?

    Decent mobo can provide integrated function which is more costly to
    add later so I don't want to pare this back to a "skeleton" mobo.

    Decent case and PSU save endless trouble but is the Antec Sonata with
    PSU good value? I don't like it's glossy front flap (remove), only 2
    front USB and no front fan.
     
    Don, Dec 2, 2008
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  2. Don

    Paul Guest

    OK, I'll throw one together.

    Based on this chart, I'll go from Intel E4500 to AMD 5600+. $117 versus $69

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/dualcore-shootout/additional/price-perf-1.png

    Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM $66
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131324

    HDMI/DVI/VGA/DisplayPort (graphics options)
    PS/2 (keyboard)
    ESATA (high speed external disk)
    RJ-45 (Ethernet)
    6 USB (4 on backplate)
    8 channel audio (six connectors)
    S/PDIF (TOSLink digital audio)
    1394 (Firewire - for camcorder ?)

    2 PCI slots.
    PCI Express x16 (future graphics upgrade)
    PCI Express x1 (successor to PCI)

    One con for the product - no accessories to speak of.
    http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-324-S05?$S640W$

    You might have to pick up some adapters for USB later, if
    you want more rear USB connectors than are provided.

    http://estore.asus.com/images/14-000500020.JPG

    The case is the other area you could shave off a few pounds.
    I'd suggest buying one without power supply. (Mainly, because
    for some bargain cases, the power supply is just adding to your
    local landfill.) Then, you can select a power supply separately,
    picked for what you consider the loading is going to be.

    The above should be a pretty low power system. If you don't
    install a separate video card, use the integrated video,
    even a 350W supply would be enough. The 5600+ processor is
    65W, the motherboard plus RAM about 50W, so there really
    isn't a lot of power consumption.

    HTH,
    Paul
     
    Paul, Dec 2, 2008
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  3. Don

    Paul Guest

    Oh, and you can try the onboard sound first, without buying the
    Sound Blaster. If the onboard works well enough, you save another
    £33.

    Paul
     
    Paul, Dec 2, 2008
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  4. Don

    Jeff Gaines Guest

    I appreciate this is a home built group but spec yourself up a Dell Vostro
    before you make a final decision, start here:

    <http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/4x_vostro_220?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd>

    and work the 220 up, I ended up with this:

    <http://configure.euro.dell.com/dell...=en&m_30=138820&oc=D122209&rbc=D122209&s=bsd>

    £199 + VAT and shipping.

    I got one as a home server and it hasn't missed a beat.
     
    Jeff Gaines, Dec 2, 2008
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  5. Don

    BigH2K Guest

    FWIW, last one I built (last week)

    Intel E2200
    Asus P5KPL-AM
    Antec NSK 4480
    OCZ 2Gb
    160Gb Seagate SATA
    Lite-On LH-20A1S
    2x 80mm fans

    £212 total

    The cpu is dual core but not Core 2 Duo, add another £30 if you want one,
    all parts from Ebuyer with free delivery.
     
    BigH2K, Dec 2, 2008
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  6. That one is certainly powerful and has an average energy consumption. But I
    would rather choose a low-energy AMD 4850e, cheaper and more than
    sufficient for the intended purpose.
    I got this one some weeks ago - works very well, apart from the poor 2D
    performance in some applications with windows xp.
    I would rather get a case that offers these conncectors on the front or get
    one of these Silverstone FP35
    http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=FP35&area=
    with the added benefit of sound connectors in the front.

    fup to uk.comp.homebuilt

    Andreas
     
    Andreas Schulze-Bäing, Dec 2, 2008
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  7. Don

    Andy Guest

    Intel Pentium Dual Core E2200 Socket 775 2.2GHz 800FSB Retail Boxed
    Processor BX80557E2200 £51.96
    Gigabyte GA-EG43M-S2H iG43 Socket 775 onboard graphics 8 channel audio
    2 PCI 5 SATA 1 eSATA 6+6 USB 2 Firewire mATX Motherboard GA-EG43M-S2H
    £75.69
    Crucial 2GB kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 Ballistix Memory Non-ECC
    Unbuffered CL4 Lifetime £20.99
    on motherboard
    on motherboard
    Antec NSK 4480B Black ATX/MATX Mini Tower - With 380W EarthWatts PSU
    £55.99
     
    Andy, Dec 3, 2008
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  8. Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM $66
    I would suggest M3N-H... :)

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    Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k), Dec 3, 2008
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  9. Or M3N78-EM if you need a mATX board. Nvidia's SATA performance should
    be better.

    --
    @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY.
    / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you!
    /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 8.04.1) Linux 2.6.26.8
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    Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k), Dec 3, 2008
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  10. Don

    Andy Guest


    Do you mean £199? It's £169 + VAT (= £194) plus £29 delivery.
    That's £223 fully inclusive.

    This was the spec. Looks quite good don't you think?


    Pentium Dual-Core processor E2200
    Vista Home Premium 32
    MS Works 9.0
    1024MB 800MHz Dual Channel DDR2 (2x512) [for 2048MB add £20.00]
    80GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
    Integrated grpahics: Intel Graphic Media Accelerator X4500
    16x DVD-ROM Drive [add £20.00 for RW]
    Dell USB Keyboard
    Dell 2 Button USB Optical Mouse
    Integrated audio
    1Yr Basic Warranty - next business day onsite

    Dell Vostro 220 MT (ref: D122209)
     
    Andy, Dec 18, 2008
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  11. Don

    Jeff Gaines Guest

    I did 2 weeks ago when I posted the message :)
     
    Jeff Gaines, Dec 18, 2008
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  12. Don

    Cameron Guest

    The more resources you have the longer the system will be viable.
    that said most systems are bogged down in junk that starts at boot and
    serves no real use other than it will allow the application to launch
    slightly faster if the user decides to us it. Do some research and
    tweak your current system you may be happy.
    But if buyin, buy asbig as you can afford.
    Hit for what to do if you do get a new system install Linux on the old
    one
    http://www.ubuntu.com/ Offers a good product and excellent community
    support and will run like a winged rodent exiting the underworld
     
    Cameron, Dec 19, 2008
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