Can I put 4 IDE HDD's, 2 Sata HDD's and 3 DVD drives on an A8N-SLI Deluxe?

Discussion in 'Asus' started by HST, Jun 21, 2005.

  1. HST

    HST Guest

    Providing I have a powerful enough power supply:

    Can I put 2 SATA hard drives (one the master boot) on the SATA1 and
    SATA2 ports, 4 IDE hard drives on the primary and secondary IDE ports
    and I was thinking on getting these SATA to IDE adapters to use for my
    3 DVD drives:

    http://www.cwol.com/serial-ata/serial-ata-ide-converter.htm

    Will this setup work? And if so, where do I plug them into, the SATA3
    and SATA4 ports, but that leaves me with another DVD drive to plug in.
    Will that go into the SATA_RAID port?

    I'm so confused...
     
    HST, Jun 21, 2005
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  2. HST

    Paul Guest

    I would put the 3 DVD drives on the two Southbridge IDE ports.
    Take the 4 IDE drives and put them on a Promise Ultra133 TX2.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&Category=0&minPrice=&maxPrice=&Go.x=0&Go.y=0

    By doing that, you won't need any SATA adapters of unknown
    quality. Some of the early adapter chips in the SATA adapters
    were crap, and you have to select carefully when buying those
    things.

    HTH,
    Paul
     
    Paul, Jun 21, 2005
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  3. HST

    milleron Guest

    You can squeeze all those drives into a computer with an A8N-SLI, but
    I suspect that with that motherboard, you'd be better off buying a
    two-channel PCI IDE controller to connect the optical drives.
    1 -- almost everyone who's tried running optical drives from the SATA
    controllers has experienced difficulty. Since some companies are now
    manufacturing SATA optical drives, the day will come when the firmware
    and drivers will run them, but I don't think that day is here yet for
    the A8N-SLI.
    2 -- most folks have a lot of trouble getting anything but RAID arrays
    of SATA HDs to run on the Silicon-Image SATA controller.

    I think you're really asking for trouble if you try to do it the way
    you're thinking about.

    So, I think I'm probably speaking for everyone in asking what in the
    world you run on a computer that requires SIX hard drives and THREE
    optical drives??? I'm not sure you could cram all those cables into
    any case I've seen recently. I could heat my family room with a rig
    like that. You've really got me curious. Surely you could accomplish
    everything you need to do with two large SATA and two large IDE
    drives, judiciously partitioned and set up with wisely chosen logical
    drives, and surely you could do anything that needs to be done with
    two optical drives.
    Failing that, if absolutely necessary to have three optical drives,
    you should still be able to get by with one IDE drive and three SATAs
    or four SATAs.


    Ron
     
    milleron, Jun 21, 2005
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  4. HST

    ByTor Guest

    Excellent suggestion on the controller card.....I would suggest, believe
    it or not, a Sil card, not promise for optical drives........
    I myself have 5 optical drives & six HD's in my machine.....4 opticals
    are connected to my Silicon Image Sil 0860 ATA/133 Controller......I can
    burn 3cd's at once and the machine does not flinch....Im running an
    A7M266 board.........Still smokin'

    Sure you can if you have a 2ft high tower like I have....He, He... ;0)

    Depends, I make lots of copies of things..........
     
    ByTor, Jun 21, 2005
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  5. HST

    HST Guest

    I do alot of downloading, about 5GB every night, then I sort out what
    I don't want/need and delete the junk saving the good stuff. It adds
    up :eek:) I also do alot of movie rendering and DVD ripping/burning, like
    I said, it adds up :eek:)

    Currently besides the 6 hdd's I have on my system right now I have 2
    more IEEE as well. The DVD drives are all burners, I guess I have way
    too much free time on my hands, he he he.

    I could like you said get 2 huge drives and settle all scores but I
    have a total of 8 drives, 6 that are installed now that have too much
    stuff that I have no time to burn to back them up. That's why I asked
    what I asked.

    I'm currently considering the A8N-SLI Deluxe with an X2 4800+ dual
    core and that's why I want to get my answers in now before I buy.

    Thanks for the advice.

    HST
     
    HST, Jun 21, 2005
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  6. HST

    HST Guest

    Thanks for the advice, I happen to have a Ultra133 TX2 in my computer
    right now, still considering the A8N-SLI Deluxe with a dual core X2
    4800+

    HST
     
    HST, Jun 21, 2005
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  7. HST

    ByTor Guest

    Hmmmm, sounds like me.......... ;0)
    Naaaaah, good idea to have more than one....I have a total of 15 HD's
    spread amongst 5 machines, can never not have enough. I keep duplicate
    backups of important stuff plus images.
    Sounds like me, get off the lazy butt & start burning....He, He.
    Currently have 100gig of music still to burn.....Ho hum, someday.......
    As I mentioned in my additions to milleron, I would suggest using a
    controller for the burners, I don't care what anyone says, putting them
    on controllers is much more efficient than on the MB especially the
    Sil....But, promises are a little problematic I feel with burners
    attached......they're great for HD's though, I have 3 HD's connected to
    one on this machine......My machine though, I believe, is maxed out
    though as far as power, I have a 425 watt power supply I believe & I
    tried to add one more HD to the system and it gave me lots of trouble so
    below are my specs to compare & give ya an idea..............

    I'd love to hear how ya made out as eventually I will be upgrading this
    MB (can't beat it down with a stick though) & would be curious about
    yours...........

    Good Luck........(Nice to see someone with almost an identical setup)


    Motherboard
    CPU Type AMD Athlon XP, 1400 MHz (10.5 x 133) 1600+
    Motherboard Name Asus A7M266 (5 PCI, 1 AGP Pro, 1 AMR, 3 DIMM)
    Motherboard Chipset AMD-760
    System Memory 768 MB (DDR SDRAM)
    BIOS Type Award Medallion (04/29/02)
    Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
    Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
    Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

    Display
    Video Adapter ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 7500 (64 MB)
    3D Accelerator ATI Radeon 7500 (RV200)
    Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB]

    Multimedia
    Audio Adapter C-Media CMI8738 Audio Chip
    Audio Adapter Creative SB Audigy LS Sound Card

    Storage
    IDE Controller Silicon Image SiI 0680 ATA/133 Controller
    IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
    SCSI/RAID Controller SOJU SCSI Controller
    SCSI/RAID Controller Win2000 Promise Ultra100 TX2 (tm) IDE Controller
    Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
    Disk Drive WDC WD1200BB-00CAA0 (111 GB, IDE)
    Disk Drive WDC WD1200BB-00CAA1 (111 GB, IDE)
    Disk Drive WDC WD20 00JB-00DUA1 SCSI Disk Device (186 GB)
    Disk Drive Maxtor 6E040L0 (40 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)
    Disk Drive WDC WD12 00JB-00FUA0 SCSI Disk Device (111 GB)
    Disk Drive WDC WD25 00JB-00FUA0 SCSI Disk Device (232 GB)
    Optical Drive ATAPI-CD ROM-DRIVE-56MAX (56x CD-ROM)
    Optical Drive DVDRW IDE1108 SCSI CdRom Device (DVD+RW:8x/4x, DVD-
    RW:8x/4x, DVD-ROM:12x, CD:40x/24x/40x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)
    Optical Drive PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W4012A SCSI CdRom Device (40x/12x/40x
    CD-RW)
    Optical Drive PLEXTOR DVDR PX-504A SCSI CdRom Device (DVD:4x/2.4x/12x,
    CD:16x/10x/40x DVD+RW)
    Optical Drive SONY DVD-ROM DDU1621 SCSI CdRom Device (16x/40x DVD-ROM)
    SMART Hard Disks Status OK

    Partitions
    C: (FAT32) 20484 MB (6441 MB free)
    D: (FAT32) 114442 MB (29592 MB free)
    E: (FAT32) 114442 MB (28600 MB free)
    F: (FAT32) 119211 MB (61245 MB free)
    G: (FAT32) 10211 MB (10087 MB free)
    H: (FAT32) 88612 MB (72524 MB free)
    K: (FAT32) 180506 MB (83252 MB free)
    L: (FAT32) 10161 MB (6283 MB free)
    O: (FAT32) 57233 MB (14798 MB free)
    P: (FAT32) 41713 MB (41713 MB free)
    Q: (FAT32) 20345 MB (7499 MB free)
    S: (NTFS) 15500 MB (10975 MB free)

    Input
    Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
    Mouse PS/2 Compatible Mouse

    Network
    Network Adapter Linksys LNE100TX(v5) Fast Ethernet Adapter
    (192.168.1.100)

    Peripherals
    Printer \\Pavilion\Lexmark Z700-P700 Series
    Printer \\SOYO\Epson Stylus COLOR 600 ESC/P 2
    Printer Acrobat PDFWriter
    Printer Adobe PDF
    Printer DocuCom PDF Driver
    Printer Family Tree Maker Printer
    Printer Fax
    Printer Lexmark X73
    Printer Microsoft Office Document Image Writer
    Printer Net-It Now! SE
    Printer OmniForm
    Printer PaperPort Black & White Image
    Printer PaperPort Color Image
    Printer PaperPort PDF
    Printer SnagIt 7
    Printer WinFax (Photo Quality)
    Printer WinFax
    USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
    USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
    USB Device ATI Wireless Remote Receiver V2.33
    USB Device Philips Composite USB Device
    USB Device Philips HID Audio Controls
    USB Device Philips USB Audio
     
    ByTor, Jun 21, 2005
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  8. HST

    HST Guest

    Ok, a few questions for you, first, why do you think putting the DVD
    burners on controllers instead of the motherboard is more efficient?
    And second and more importantly, what Sil controller are you talking
    about, here's a snip of your last answer to me:
     
    HST, Jun 21, 2005
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  9. HST

    ByTor Guest


    Silicon Image SiI 0680 ATA/133 Controller

    I assumed you had seen it in my comments to milleron? Did you see my
    specs I posted?

    Any experiences I have ever had with burners attached to MB's drags the
    machine down when burning making it a little difficult to navigate other
    options computing.....I do not attach opticals to HD's either if I can
    help it, dragging them down is not an option either by connecting a
    lower end device to a HD. Also, the obvious, it keeps them seperate from
    HD's....etc. It's a matter of personal preference for me though, as I
    had mentioned in my addition to millerons comments I can burn 3cds at
    once and my machine does not flinch....If I connected a burner to my
    MBoard & burned my machine totally drags ass........Maybe these newer
    faster computer manage it more efficiently? I'm not sure, I just won't
    trust burners attached to MB's......I will repeat, it is a personal
    preference, long drawn out technical explanations I can not provide only
    my experience with experimenting............
     
    ByTor, Jun 21, 2005
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  10. HST

    HST Guest

    ok, I am a little confused, the Silicon Image controller you talk
    about, is that an actual PCI card or is it actually part of the
    motherboard, because when I do a search for it on Google, it's not
    showing me a specific card.

    and yes, I did see your comments and your specs, I'm still trying to
    understand the A8N-SLI motherboard fully before I take the leap buying
    it with my other planned purchases.
     
    HST, Jun 21, 2005
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  11. HST

    ByTor Guest

    PCI...........

    With that board I'm wondering if you'll even need a card.......Wouldn't
    know how burning responds to anything other than an IDE connecter
    device.....Never worked with a board like that.........I'll stand down
    from any furthur comments...........

    Good Luck................
     
    ByTor, Jun 21, 2005
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  12. HST

    milleron Guest

    X2 4800+ -- GREAT choice, but it tells me that you're not on a limited
    budget. Just buy a couple of Seagate 7200.8 or Hitachi Deskstar 400GB
    SATA drives, or even three of them, and forget about the extra PCI
    controller(s) and the dozens of HDs you have. You can get three
    optical drives and more than a TERRABYTE of HD space on the A8N-SLI's
    controllers this way, and I defy you to use that up no matter how much
    junk you download, process, and burn.
    Ron
     
    milleron, Jun 22, 2005
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  13. HST

    milleron Guest

    There's a lot to understand. I'm not speaking from experience because
    mine will not be built until 96 hours from now, but I've spent
    hundreds of hours poring over the manual, this News group, and almost
    every forum on the Internet that discusses the board.

    The salient points for your situation are:
    1 -- don't count on using the SI SATA controller for anything but
    RAID. Since you're not anticipating RAID, I'd recommend not trying to
    allocate any drives to it during your planning phase. (I suppose that
    you could install more than one drive there with JBOD disk spanning,
    but that would force you to reformat those drives, and I don't think
    you want to do that.)
    2 -- Don't plan on attaching any optical drives to the nVidia SATA
    controller, not even something like a Plextor SATA burner. This will
    change with newer nVidia chipset drivers, but I'm not aware that it
    has as yet.
    3 -- Be sure to order the A8N-SLI Premium and NOT the A8N-SLI Deluxe.
    In case you're not familiar with the Premium, it replaces the
    southbridge fan with a heatpipe cooler that gets rid of all of the
    noise inherent to the board, itself, and hopefully makes the board
    more reliable. It uses different BIOS versions, and Asus has listed
    it as X2 compatible from its first iteration. If not for the recent
    advent of the Premium, Asus presumably would have come out with its
    next revision of the A8N-SLI Deluxe. Considering your almost
    unlimited budget, you do not want to buy a Deluxe. It would be like
    buying a revision 1.02 board when the 1.03 is already available..

    There is no advantage to having lots of relatively small HDs compared
    to a few relatively large ones. You may need to burn three optical
    discs at once. I can't second guess you on that, but I sure hope that
    when you get this world-class dream-machine A8N-SLI x with an X2
    4800+, you don't clog up the case with way more HDs and cables than is
    good for the power and cooling capacities of your PSU and case. That
    would seem like such a shame.


    Ron
     
    milleron, Jun 22, 2005
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  14. HST

    ByTor Guest

    Thanks for putting it in a better technical perspective for myself
    also.....New boards are becoming more complex, less PCI slots, improved
    PCI, lesser relience on AGP, more focus on SATA/RAID.....etc....It
    appears the newer boards will cost more in the end run to stock the
    board itself.....Wondering when IDE will be fully dismissed? I'm sure my
    A7M266 board has hit the archives already, but damn I love this board,
    last of its kind I believe on the AMD 760 chipset, or maybe the A7M266-
    D?
    Anyway, I appreciate the explanation as it confirms my thoughts but on
    my limited understanding, I hear what you're saying but my education
    needs to be enhanced anyway....I never claim to be a hardware
    specialists but I know what works for me.........I clearly did not peek
    at the OP's board well enough.....Oh well, learn something new every
    day...... ;0)

    Cheers............
     
    ByTor, Jun 22, 2005
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  15. HST

    HST Guest

    Ron, thank you for taking the time to write back, here's my deal with
    questions as well. I'm not on an unlimited budget but my wife has
    agreed to let me spend 2 grand to get my sorry ass Intel 2.0 up to
    speed just as long as I do the dishes more, take out the garbage more
    and get her a nice 10 year wedding ring this August, he he he. I do
    plan on the X2 4800+ just as soon as Newegg or Zipzoomfly gets them in
    stock. I also plan on 2GB (1GB per stick times 2 sticks because I hear
    the board doesn't work well with all 4 slots used up) Corsair Twin XMS
    3200 LL Pro DDR 400 ram, am I ok so far? I want the ATI All In Wonder
    X600 Pro SLI (don't laugh) because I want to hook up 2 monitors, one
    main one and the other for watching TV and recording shows and stuff.
    Two Western Digital Raptor 74GB drives for the SATA ports, one the
    main boot drive (SATA1 and SATA2) am I ok on that? Now, about the
    other IDE drives I have installed now, I can go out like you said and
    get some huge drives but I have sooooooooo much valuable stuff on
    these drives, 700GB total that I have no time at all to burn them/it
    to DVD's, so I'm taking the lazy way out. The only reason I'm getting
    the Raptors is so I can have a fast boot drive and I hope to render
    and encode movies from one Raptor to the other without any problems. I
    do not plan on Raid as you already know from your reply. I have 2 DVD
    burners and a CDR burner (don't ask me why I still use it) and I'm
    still trying to decide how to hook them up. Am I rambling on or are
    you with me :eek:)

    I hear you on the Premium and not the Deluxe but the Asus website
    doesn't have any info on it, have you seen it anywhere?

    Will I hook up all the drives besides the Raptors as JBOD like you
    mentioned or does that mean I have to reformat for sure? How else
    would I hook them up without losing all my data?

    HST
     
    HST, Jun 22, 2005
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  16. I just saw one at Fry's here in Las Vegas. I think the price was around
    $189.
     
    Michael W. Ryder, Jun 22, 2005
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  17. HST

    milleron Guest

    Interesting that you have an old reliable A7M266. That's what I'm
    typing this message on (built June, 2001 and upgraded to a
    Palomino-core 2100+). I'm writing while taking a short break from
    bench-assembling my new A8N-SLI Premium. With just the RAM and video
    card, it POSTs!!! The Thermalright XP120 HSF is virtually silent.
    The southbridge is warm to the touch, but I have to leave my finger on
    it for a few seconds to be sure it's above room temperature. The heat
    pipe coming from it is literally cool to the touch, and the heatsink
    at the other end is literally cool to the touch (although it's close
    to the 120mm fan on the XP120, the fins are perpendicular, so the
    fan's not blowing directly on it). With no load at all, sitting on
    the benchtop, the CPU is 23°C.
    I'll post this same message in the thread on the BIOS Savior, but it's
    so important that I don't mind inserting it twice: Since the IOSS
    BIOS Savior model RD1-PMC4 was certified for the A7N, I though it
    might be OK for the A8N-SLI, and it does work. Importantly, I could
    NOT flash it from awdflash.exe (latest version downloadable from Asus)
    because it got a checksum error and refused to proceed. Before giving
    up, though, I rebooted and tried the Asus EZ-Flash (ALT-F2 during
    POST), and it flashed the BIOS Savior without any problem. Rebooting
    from the BIOS Savior worked like a charm. My original BIOS is now
    sitting securely atop the BIOS Savior, safe from any harm. Should I
    ever encounter any BIOS problem, I'll just flip the back-panel switch
    and be booting from my original BIOS again. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED:
    perhaps the best $24 you can spend on a single item.

    Ron
    Ron
     
    milleron, Jun 23, 2005
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  18. HST

    milleron Guest

    1 -- Be sure to go to www.asus.com, not usa.asus.com. At the global
    site, there's all kinds of info on the A8N-SLI Premium.
    2 -- It's become widely available the last week or so. You can get
    one at newegg and Monarch for about US$193, and both e-tailers have
    them in stock. Mine got to me from Monarch in two business days.
    3 -- You're fine with the 74GB Raptors -- great choice. The pair
    should be ideal for what you have in mind.
    4 -- It won't take much time to copy the myriad old drives to a couple
    of new large Seagates or Hitachis. All you need to do is get the rig
    up and running with the Raptors and the one or two very-large drives.
    Then partition the SATAs and create one logical drive for each of your
    current small ones. Then, one by one, connect the old drives to a
    spare IDE connector and simply copy them to the respective logical
    drive on the new megadrive. When done, you won't know the difference.
    In XP, you can assign them the same drive letters you're used to
    calling them.
    5 -- Sorry to hear that the budget is somewhat limited. Otherwise,
    I'd say that you're the fellow for whom Buffalo designed their
    TeraStation NAS box. You could connect it via the Gbyte ethernet
    connection on the A8N-SLI and have a terrabyte available with transfer
    speeds approaching the IDE bus. That would clean up your new box and
    put everything you have at your fingertips. 700 GB of stored stuff is
    a LOT. It BEGS you to archive much of it to DVD.
    5 -- The Corsair Twinx 3200 LL Pro should be great
    6 -- I don't think there is any such thing as an ATI AIW X600 Pro SLI,
    is there? SLI is proprietary to nVidia. You can put an ATI AIW PCI-e
    card in slot 1, and you can put another in slot 4, but the second
    would run only at 4x, I believe. Not sure on this. I'm using a
    single ATI X800XL in slot 1. I'm not the one to answer questions on
    watching TV, but I'm not sure why you'd need two monitors since you
    can't do both simultaneously. I'd need more information to comment on
    this point, and others could do so more intelligently.
    Ron
     
    milleron, Jun 23, 2005
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  19. HST

    ByTor Guest

    It still pumps.....Cool as the arctic.... ;0)
    When I first bought it I had to flash the bios with an older processor
    in order for it to accept my Athlon XP 1600+......This little bit of
    info was left out when I bought the board, no wonder I couldn't get it
    going when I first built it.....Sent it back where I got it from and
    they flashed it for me......Well worth it though, this board handles
    very well for what I have connected to it....Not sure if you seen the
    specs I posted to HST..........

    Sounds like a great board and would be inbterested to know furthur how
    ya make out.......Board like that for it to run top notch for me would
    be an investment as I don't like shortcuts with hardware. 2 PCI slots
    make me uncomfortable though, but hey I guess I could live with it.....
     
    ByTor, Jun 23, 2005
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  20. HST

    HST Guest

    Yes you are correct, but I can't seem to find the manual in PDF format
    so I can print it out and read it at work, have you got it? Maybe you
    can post it for me in a dead group or something, I'd appreciate it.
    The ATI AIW X600 Pro is PCI Express and at Newegg for $189.00, I know
    I called it the Pro SLI, my mistake.

    Two more questions maybe you can answer.

    The two LAN ports on the mobo, LAN1 and LAN2, what is the difference
    and which one do I connect to my cable modem?

    My current old reliable P4B266 has 3 fan connectors and when I look at
    the A8N-SLI manual on page 2-23 I see 5 fan connectors on it, besides
    the CPU_FAN what did you connect the other 4 to?

    HST
     
    HST, Jun 23, 2005
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