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Can Sun beat this?

Discussion in 'Sun Hardware' started by Godzilla, Sep 1, 2003.

    Dragan Cvetkovic, Sep 9, 2003
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    scz Guest

    Hi Dragan,

    Look at it this way:

    frank != sincere

    frank == saying exactly what one thinks w/o regard for tact or
    general politeness

    Gable could have said "Dear, I am not as concerned as I could be."
    That would be polite and carry the same meaning as the "frankly"
    film version. In this case, though, less polite == more dramatic. :)


    scz, Sep 9, 2003
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  3. On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:13:39 -0000,
    Richard L. Hamilton <>, in
    +> In article <>,
    +> > Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
    +> >
    +> >>
    +> >>
    +> >>>
    +> >>>>So the phrase "The cost penalty for ECC on DRAM is all but gone these
    +> >>>>days." basically means that the cost penalty in using ECC DRAM still
    +> >>>>exist. Right?
    +> >>>
    +> >>>Yes, what I meant to say is that it's almost but not quite entirely
    +> >>>disappeared. My understanding is that there's always a physical cost
    +> >>>(1 extra bit for each byte, or more) and the prices reflect the
    +> >>>difference fairly faithfully, it's just that the overall cost of RAM
    +> >>>has decreased by orders of magnitude, so why not standardise on ECC
    +> >>>and be done!
    +> >>
    +> >>
    +> >> Chris I agree with your technical argument, but I don't agree with your
    +> >> linguistic argument :)
    +> >>
    +> >> I'll just add the phrase "all but gone" to the list of exceptions in
    +> >> English language. And I will be "all but gone" :)
    +> >>
    +> >> Bye, Dragan
    +> >>
    +> >
    +> > A professor of mine once said that the only time people used the word
    +> > "essentially" was when they were getting ready to lie to you. It's
    +> > another one of those "exception" words in the English language. ;-)
    +> I think "frankly" is like that too. Also "honestly", "candidly", etc.
    +> In other words, if someone has to _tell_ you they're sincere, they
    +> probably aren't.

    Frankly, if they're gonna be honest with you, they'll not use weasel
    words, but more along the line of "I won't shit you" or "cutting thru
    the crap".

    I R A Darth Aggie, Sep 9, 2003
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    Chris Morgan Guest

    I can use the word frankly and be sincere, as in

    "Quite frankly, and just between you and I, that guy is an utter
    Chris Morgan
    "Post posting of policy changes by the boss will result in
    real rule revisions that are irreversible"

    - anonymous correspondent
    Chris Morgan, Sep 9, 2003
  5. According to Sun recent statements,
    they were a workstation company in early 1990's, reinvented as
    a server company in late 1990's, and now are
    currently reinventing themselves as an "infrastructure systems" company,
    whatever that is. In other words, they can see the writing on the wall
    and have given-up competing in the workstation market. They know they
    cannot make money selling low-cost workstations, when Wintel and now Apple
    can beat them on bang-for-the-buck.

    If/when Sun releases UltraSparc IIIi workstations, these machines
    won't be competitive unless Sun sells them at a loss.
    lonny thompson, Sep 14, 2003
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    Sean Burke Guest

    That sums it up nicely.
    That's a forgone conclusion. The question is, will they compete
    against Sun's current workstation lineup? At the moment, four-year-old
    machines from Ebay are more attractive to me than the SB100 and 150.

    Sean Burke, Sep 14, 2003
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    Chris Morgan Guest

    Sun came to the company I work for a few months ago and claimed they
    would be making a big push back into the financial desktop market that
    they ceded to wintel a few years ago. The claim was that a) the new
    machines are a big step forward and b) Solaris is winning customers
    back who have had a taste of windows now and don't like it. To this
    day there are significant proprietary apps running only on Solaris. I
    _wanted_ to be excited by it, but I just didn't ... quite ... believe
    Competitive in specint/$? Of course not, but as a total package I
    still believe Sun could make something attractive. They don't seem to
    have the appetite however. Or if my personal experience is a more
    general guide, they can no longer persuade upper management that they
    are credible in the professional desktop market any more. They seem to
    have decided the two niches open to them are very specialised CAD/CAM
    and visualisation markets at the high-end, and the 'transaction
    worker' drone at the other. And I note, I still haven't actually seen
    one of the new machines.

    Chris Morgan, Sep 16, 2003
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    CJT Guest

    Surely you don't prefer Wintel? Haven't blaster, sobig, etc. cured you
    of any inclination you might have had in that direction?
    CJT, Sep 16, 2003
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    Rich Teer Guest

    I don't think Chris prefers Wintel. He's just taking a "I'll
    believe it when I see it" approach. Frankly, speaking as a
    Strong Sun advocate and follower, I'm inclined to side with
    him. I'm hoping the US-IIIi workstations (assuming they get
    announced over the next two days!) will be wonderful - but time
    will tell...

    Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA

    Rite Online Inc.

    Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
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    Rich Teer, Sep 16, 2003
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    Chris Morgan Guest

    For our customers, Windows desktops now outnumber Solaris desktops
    1000-to-1. You tell me how a development team justifies keeping up
    with a Solaris port under these conditions!
    Chris Morgan, Sep 16, 2003
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    Steven Hill Guest

    For our customers, Windows desktops now outnumber Solaris desktops
    Just because it is common, doesn't make it right.
    Steven Hill, Sep 16, 2003
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    Paul Eggert Guest

    Were they talking about traditional workstations, or about the Sun
    Java Desktop System (aka Mad Hatter) announced yesterday?
    Paul Eggert, Sep 17, 2003
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    Chris Morgan Guest

    Traditional e.g. 'Taco' and 'Enchilada'. SPARC workstations running
    Chris Morgan
    "Post posting of policy changes by the boss will result in
    real rule revisions that are irreversible"

    - anonymous correspondent
    Chris Morgan, Sep 17, 2003
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